posted Tue, 12/03/2013 - 18:57
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14 weeks on 14 off. PCT worth it?
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I understand that this should be in the PCT forum section. But I was hoping to get some advise from those who use other options while taking a relatively short break. So here's my question.
I've read that if your only taking a short time off from cycle that PCT isn't necessary. There's a lot of misinformation on the net, so can I get some opinions whether to cruise on low test or run SERMs or something else to bridge. I'm currently running 450mgs test enth/ 400mgs tren enth for 14-16 weeks. Only taking 14 weeks off.
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PumperingDUde honestly i might get flamed for saying this but bare with me.
U know ur going to cycle again, and ur cycles are not weak as ur using tren. going off and doing PCT than waiting a little and going back on completly fuks up ur body man. Ur best off getting some cyp and doing 200-300mg every lets say 2weeks as a bridge. NO u do not need to do cyp 2x/week like everybody around here, it was design to be done every 2-4weeks.
STAY away from SERMS !!!! Theres a LOT of new research that shows cancer growth, also the blurry vision side effect is permanent. Someone from my gym got that shit from using S4 (?), not he sees straight lines as wavey or so he discribes. i say FUCK that !!! stick to whats "natural" and thats testosterone. If u got more money, a great addition would be low dose Mast E or Primobolan tabs or long acting version.
I appreciate you trying to give me an alternative perspective on the subject. I mean what you said is something that people do resort to sometimes. My friend takes low test/primo and never comes off and he's as big as hell. I don't know about his health. But I take it that what I read was really trying to say, take more time off than 14 weeks, but in a bassackwards round about way. I'll be using Toremifene because I do experienced blurred vision from clomid. I'll also be using a cycle of a number of peptides while "off". Really not looking forward to coming off, but I'm sure I'll live. Definitely trt in the future.
@Pumpering Dude.. Lay low and keep learning on Eroids.. Let the seasoned vets give the advice.. I gave some bad advice when I 1st joined based on my 7 years of uneducated juicing prior to Eroids and I got flamed.. Come to find out half the shit I learned about roids from the guy in the back of the gym was bullshit.. -1
RustyhookerReal talk! +1
RustyhookerWrong info! Also saw your cycle....more bad info. Don't spread BS on this site!
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thats some bad avice and wrong information about test cyp. cyp is basically the same as enanthate all they did was add an additional carbon. it stays in your system only 12 hours longer then enanthate. doctors prescribe it every 2 weeks because they dont know about ups and downs you suffer. i HAVE to do it once or twice a week or else when i get close to my next shot following docs orders i feel like shit and im lazy. low dose test no matter what it is will shut you down period. you are asking him to pin fpr the rest of his life.
RustyhookerNo pct.....no balls. It's simple.....
Lost gains,, lethargy, no sex drive.....ya that sounds just amazing to me!
I had a quick look on your profile for the information. Next time put them up so we don't have to search for them mate.
The question you should ask yourself is how important your balls all to you and if you're ready to go onto trt as there is a very high risk of you not bouncing back after a cycle. Clomid and Novlax are cheap so why worry? Run a PCT like this:
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Novlax: 40/40/20/20
Get post cycle bloods done and see how soon you'll be ready to jump back on the wagon.
I just heard some crap stating that there's no use in trying to balance yourself out if your gonna go back on once you've just recovered. Evidently 12-14 weeks is too short of a time. But 14 weeks is a pretty long to not cycle something again IMO... And I LOVE my balls!
thats why the general guideline on this site has always been
Time on+PCT= Time off
If you ran a 14 week cycle then you should be off for 18-20 weeks before a next run
And they key is....Bloods, to know how well your body recovers you might be ok at 18 wks, you might not reach homeostasis untill 24 weeks but unless you wanna be on trt then treat Time on + PCT=time off with respect and dont defviate unless you have bloods proving otherwise
There's always something new to be learned. Thank you. I'll shoot for 20 weeks. Any idea how much blood work costs without insurance?
V4V has got you bro that's correct and it's so easy, but lab, pick location for testing, print receipt thing and bring to lab corp easy bro
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Privatemedlabs.com has blood work for 59.00.
Not bad, I'll probably get two done after pct. When would be the best time to take the first and last test?
8 weeks after PCT would be a good time to get labs.
PCT then bro! TRT looks glamorous but the reality of it is another thing! Grab some hcg and blast it a few weeks before you come off to give your veg a helping hand! With all respect who ever wrote that needs a slap!
Best of luck
Oh i got the works for my PCT. SERMs, HCG, AIs, Prolactin inhibitors, LH releasing hormone(GnRH), GHRP-6, IGF-lr3, Test boosters, and whole mess of herbal gypsy remedies lol! I might actually continue to gain
You don't need all that added fluff shit if you're diet is on point. You only lose gains if you don't continue to eat right and follow protocol. Everyone is jumping on the ghrp-6 and igf train without fkn thinking, 1st of all GHRP-2 has less sides then 6 and you have a smaller chance of becoming diabetic. You also have to combine those peps with others like cjc and 4 more just for it to work properly. No thanks in my opinion.
Yeah, I understand there are a lot of potential risks with these research peptides. I wish I could say that I had the discipline to keep up my diet and training using the smallest amount of help possible for 20+ weeks off. This is my first muti compound cycle and I've gained over 40lbs on it. I haven'5 ran igf-lr3 or GnRH yet, and I'd like to see how they work for a short cycle, strictly for research purposes. Then I'd check my blood levels. I regret running tren for my third cycle and I am a little weary about PCT to be honest.
Just be careful man; we are here to help and not hurt. The last thing we want is someone getting fucked up because they know a guy who knows a girl who's cousin's sister's boyfriend runs 15 chems at once and is fine.
Haha!
Put some of your information up my man
Height
Weight
Body fat %
Cycle history
Age
Armed with these we can help you
GOOD..................... +3 bro.
Cheers boss!