posted Wed, 10/30/2013 - 20:56
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Gyno months after end of cycle?
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Ok long story short I have small hard lump under my left nipple. My pct (following test only cycle) has been finished for about 2 months now. Took aromasin all throughout cycle and pct. No nipple issues at all until like a week ago or so. I had blood work right at the start of pct about 17 days after my last pin and estrogen was at 30.2 (in normal range).
My nipples are not itchy, sore, irritated, or painful at all. Isn't gyno almost always itchy or irritated? The only other explanations that I can find are that it is a cyst, ingrown hair, or breast cancer...
Wanted to get some thoughts before I schedule a doctors appointment. Thanks guys!
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Question for all:
I'm lost, cannot find a straight answer. I have painful lumps under both my nipples and I haven't ran test in over a year! Ran Test E (500 per week for 14 weeks) took adex (.5) on cycle and nolvadex and comid post (forgot the doses but ran properly). I had lumps and pain before cycle and the pain went away on, lumps even seemed to reduce in size. Now they are back, more painful then ever and I fell the lumps spreading under my pecs, I'm about ready to get consult from a Dr. I haven't ran anything (test, boosters, prohormones in over a year. Is there anything I can do to cure the pain and maybe reduce the lumps a bit? Has anyone ever had such painful lumps/gyno that they cant have any pressure put on the nips, period?
Does anyone have any advice?
Best type of doctor? (for surgery or getting levels checked?)
Alternative solution? (AI's?)
Thanks guys!
Good luck!
Darron614Thanks bro
Darron614I'm probably just gonna go to the doctor first. I don't wanna totally crash my estrogen with letro if it isn't even gyno.
I did just have an ingrown hair that I had to pluck on the outside perimeter of the same nipple. But what the fuck do I know.
And I gave a +1 to everyone that commented for taking time to try and help me out. Thanks guys!
Darron614Oh and isn't the whole point of aromasin that it doesn't cause e2 rebound like adex can?? Wtf! Lol
You are correct. Glad you're going to the doctor and getting it checked out.
I have read the thread below and noticed that letro was mentioned as a course of action. Let me just break this down how I see it form my honest and experiential opinion.
1) Letro is great for gyno flares and should be used as a last result. It has higher rebound then any other AI so if you take it for 3 weeks and it diminishes the lump you will have to go on to a less strong AI to mitigate rebound issues. So you would have to go back to something like aro or adex then onto nolvadex for a couple weeks.
2) Your labs were in line and appears as though you did everything by the book. The only exception is you did not run labs after your PCT to see what your other levels were. If you continued aro during pct and did not do nolva for an additional two weeks or so then there could possibly be a rebound issue but I doubt it.
If your FSH and LH levels are not back to where they should be and your test was still above high range along with the fact that your E2 was within range (Your E2 was within range because your were taking an AI so they weren't normal), your setting yourself up for a rebound situation. That's why we take labs before PCT and after so we know how successful it was in bringing our levels back to normative ranges.
3) If this was your first cycle you learned something about how your body reacts to gear. That being said everybody's body is different. On the cycle you described without a proper PCT it takes the average athlete 6-8 months for natural levels to reach homeostasis. Without knowing what your PCT exactly was or how you did your shots we do not have the whole picture. If you took HCG in excess that too can convert over to E2 causing latent gyno flares. On the other hand if your FSH and LH were not back to normal at the time you completed PCT and your E2 was still low and your test still relatively high then when the Ai wore off you left yourself wide open. If you took a shot every 4 days at 250 thinking you were doing 500 a week then after twelve weeks it would take ~75 days to clear your system. That's 75 days of Test E cleaving off a couple mg a day of testosterone into your bloodstream. You might be extra sensitive to this well after the fact of PCT and are reacting to that test resulting in latent gyno flare ups. Let me be clear it's not as though at day 30 past your last shot you will have 100 mg floating around your system it is more like 57 mg. For most that is not a problem but for you it may be all that is needed to induce a gyno flare.
I would get labs done now and see what my levels are before going to a doctor. You did get labs before your cycle to establish a base line right?
Darron614Thanks for taking the time to type all this bro! Honestly I think what you said about the low e2 and high LH slowly led to the hormone imbalance after my pct. I am going to see if nolva does the trick before moving on to more serious measures. It is a pretty minor case of gyno.
Did you happen to run hcg?
Darron614Nope
hormones are un balanced and fluctuating, it happens, run nolvadex for 2 weeks @ 20mgs, that will do the trick, your body is still trying to reach homeostasis. (spelling)
BigBmajI thought I read somewhere that following aromasin use some people get a huge rebound in estrogen levels. A small hard lump under my right nipple is what I get. I don't have itchiness or puffiness in my nipples, that's the only thing I seem to get.
I think running letro at 2.5 mg will do the trick.
Darron614How soon did yours happen? It's been 2 months before this happened.
BigBmajMy happened a long time ago when I didn't even think about conversion issues. I ran some nolva and it went away. Now it comes back when I get careless.
Now I'm going by blood work, morning erections, and emotional wellbeing. I think once nips are involved it's too late. Morning wood is a great indicator of estrogen levels. When it's high my dick is low.
When it happened most recently my estrogen was around 250 and I ran some aromasin and it was gone in no time. But it must still be somewhat alive because it's just dying to spring up.
I am almost certain your issue is estrogen related. I went to the doc about mine and she said fatty mass - beginning of gyno. It happens during puberty for some people too. A small hard mass under the nipple.
I could be wrong. I often am.
Darron614No I think you're right. I'm pretty sure it is gyno now. It's must weird that I had no problems until this long after cycle. I think it's because I'm too young and my hormones were still changing and what not.
For now I'm gonna try the Nolva route. 40 mg ED for the first week or so then drop down to 20 mg then 10 mg. I have plenty of Aromasin so I'm taking 12.5 mg ED also. I'll post my results soon. Thanks bro.
BigBmajWatch those joints. Wake up in the morning and stretch your shoulders if they start popping and cracking you've gone too low.
40 nolva and 12.5 aro off cycle is pretty heavy duty.
Darron614It's my 2nd day taking the aro and first day taking nolva so you think I should lower my doses sooner? I know it will take at least a few days before they really take effect.
Only problem is my 25 mg Aromasin tabs are god damn triangles... It's the one thing I don't like about this particular UGL. So basically I can split them into pretty equal thirds and take 8.33 mg at the lowest.
BigBmajI think 6.25 or so would be better. It may not be exact but I think 12.5 and 40 nolva is too much.
Darron614Yeah bro my joints starting feeling kinda achy as I was lifting. You think 2 days is long enough to drop my estrogen like that? I'll see if I wake up with morning wood tomorrow since I have been pretty much every day recently. But yeah I'm gonna drop the aro to 6.25 mg tomorrow. I might keep the Nolva where it's at for a few more days though.
BigBmajYes I do. Estrogen is strange stuff, I'm pretty in touch with my body and my estrogen levels are all over the place.
You could take a 25 mg pill smash it into powder and put it in 5 cc of water. You could draw out 1 ml and get 5 mg at a time. Just be sure to shake it first. That may make it easier for you.
I don't like the feeling of low estro makes me feel like I'm 200 yrs old.
You went crazy with that 40 mg x 12.5 mg estrogen killer protocol. I figured you'd be hurting a little.
Darron614That's a really good idea! I'll that tomorrow morning for sure. But yeah I went a little overboard huh... I finally felt like my pecs were getting to a decent size, so I just wanted to murder that little bump for ruining my joy lol.
I really appreciate all your help man! I don't wanna up vote you too many times and get docked 50 karma though. Someone up vote this man!
BigBmajIt's all good man. I like to help once in awhile. I'm good with my karma.
Darron614Well I just read that aromasin is pretty much insoluble in water... What do you think now? I need some everclear or 151??
BigBmajIt's ok as long as it's suspended in solution. If you shake it well. Or use some oil it will suspend nicely in olive oil.
Darron614Alright bro about to try it with olive oil! Thanks
valhallas bestdam homie hope everything works out!
Darron614Thanks bro I'll let you know
ClassyChassisI would just run letro @ 2.5 mg a day for a week and see what happens. Could be long esters still releasing and you stopped the aromasin. What your estro was when you were taking aromasin is irrelevant to what it may be now. Especially if your bodyfat is somewhat high, you could still be releasing from depot. My 2cc.
Darron614My last pin was close to 4 months ago and I'm around 6% bf Idk it just doesn't make sense to me bro.
AnonDefinitely doesn't sound like gyno. No symptoms no raised E2. Any nandrolone on previous cycle?
Darron614Nope only one cycle test e 500 mg per week. The standard first cycle. Aromasin 12.5 mg ED through out and then down to 8.33 mg for last 2 weeks of pct (the tabs were triangles so I split into thirds).
AnonSounds like u did the right thing bro. I would keep an eye on the lump for a few more weeks. If it stays hard it would be worth going to get it checked. No need to mention what u think it is. Just tell the dr u noticed a hard lump under ur nipple.
Darron614Thanks bro I appreciate your help.
Darron614Oh and I feel like a total noob asking this lol but it seems like a strange case.