+ 1 My new trt protocol/experiment
So I'm going to be updating my new trt protocol in this thread. After many trials and errors, and now that I'm off cycle, I've begun.
My protocol will now be:
65mg of test prop--injected subq into glute--eod
300iu of HCG--injected subq into stomach--eod
.125-.25mg of adex--taken morning after shot--so eod
25mg of proviron--taken in morning--ed----just need to wait until it arrives
Also, I am on selegiline, plus other stuff, but I'll keep it solely about trt in here
The reason I'm on this protocol is because I actually believe one can grow tolerant to trt. I've seen it myself, as I believe I was one of those people. That is the basis behind using the prop and not enanthate--prop comes in and gets out quickly, mimicking pulsatile natural secretions more than enathate which is more level. Same with the HCG, pulsatile and on the reverse schedule of the prop.
My DHT is also naturally low, even on high doses of test. Thus the reason for adding in the proviron. It sucks when you have a libido but the erection difficulties persist...very frustrating.
Hopefully this thread turns into something helpful for all. Will update every so often.
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QtripsWell shit, this thread hit 1000 views. Because of that, I'll let you guys in on what I'll be experimenting with next (and already am a little bit): Naltrexone. Specifically, low dose naltrexone. More to come in a different thread in the future.
QtripsSo in closing:
http://www.eroids.com/pics/roid-plus...more-like-minus#comment-1198444
QtripsHave labs now. Will post soon.
QtripsSwitched props and...guess what? Erections are back.
QtripsATTENTION! PLEASE READ! URGENT!
If you have Roid Plus test prop from the SFU promo, do yourself a favor and throw it out. I have my labs and just got back from the doc (labs will be posted after having them scanned.) I remember joking to myself saying "Watch the reason I feel so shitty be having low test. Hahaha!" I laughed all the way to the bank with that statement, knowing "No way, the reason I feel so shitty has to be E2." ....
Well, I was wrong!
More to come when I post the labs and a full, detailed description explaining how I know for FACT I have been shooting a bunk product into my ass subQ. The thing is though, the first vial definitely wasn't fake...but as soon as I switch to the other (thinking it's the same quality) all the problems started. Yup, I'm pissed. Stay tuned.
Oh, and one more thing, since I'm pissed: I took an adex last night thinking my E2 was high (foolishly.) Woke up today feeling like a train wreck due to no doubt low E2, since how could my E2 have been high if there's so little testosterone to aromatize! Grrr.
RustyhookerPm me when you post up. Ive got the same promo pack of prop x 15cc. Question i have will clearly show up on the bloods. 65Mg eod is barely a dose. But when i ran prop on tren cycle....30mged i was a walking boner so somethings amiss.
QtripsI will, you'll probably see the post though so please join in as there are a few other things (HDL and LDL) that are off and I'd be interested in what the jury has to say on it.
Also, on test cyp 100mg a week my t levels are 1200. On test prop 210mg a week my levels are less than half that, and when you take into the fact that HCG keeps my t levels at 4-500, then it's very clear the the prop is bunk. Also in this log I think it was the last 2-3 or so weeks when things went to shit. I'll post the full details when I get the labs up.
Thanks rusty, and I remember my first post on this site you were the first one to help out!
QtripsAnd I'm mad at Roid Plus, not SFU. Just throwing that out there since all they do is carry that line.
QtripsStarted cycle, but blood was taken before. The posting of the bloodwork and what could have possibly caused things to turn to shit, and trying to figure it out will probably be the last updates. Thanks for following! Hopefully this all ends in a good conclusion from the bloodwork.
QtripsWell, in a sudden and abrupt turn of events, to put it simply...things have gone to shit. I suspect it's E2 related but don't have labs, so can't know for sure. Fatigue, anxiety, depression, all hitting hard, and the malaise is pretty bad. This all came out of nowhere and really has me confused. I'm seeing a doctor tomorrow to get labs drawn before my cycle, so hopefully enough tests get tested so I know where the culprit is so that it can be corrected on the next cruise...Really didn't expect this shit to collapse on me like this.
Just joined this site and very much interested in your results, I also suspect your latest developments were due to E. I havent started a regimen yet but will soon.
Stay positive brother. You will solve this.
QtripsThanks. I'll update after my appointment tomorrow morning.
QtripsHave bloodwork script. Will update with results.
I'm paying attention. Good luck bro.
Test prop subq in the glutes? Sounds very interesting. I've read through this post and still wondering how to ensure it's injecting subq in the glute area. My skin back there is rather thick compared to my lower abdomen where I usually inject MT2 subq. Also, I've read that HCG can cause shutdown if used long term. How long do you run HCG? The above protocol is designed as a cruise protocol correct? BTW, this is a very interesting thread you've created. I like how you keep updating with concise details. +1
QtripsI do the prop in the glutes because when I used to inject near the belly I had massive oil buildup. I have thick skin back there too, but the pin goes in easy. It's very economical doing TRT this way, and I believe prop is the way to go for it. If you're going to try it, just get a half inch slin pin and poke. Your body will assimilate the oil.
HCG in high doses can desensitize the testes to LH. That's in doses of 500+ for weeks. I've settled on 150iu ed and have been on HCG for over three years now. It always works better when it's fresh, but still works fine being 2 months old. And yes, this is for a cruise. Thanks for the +1 and am glad you find the thread interesting!
Thank you for the thorough response. I appreciate your style of communication.
QtripsSupps added were Gaba for sleep, it's working well, along with b vitamins and that sort of stuff.
Also I've been taking 400mg of I3C going on a week soon. Purpose is to shift E metabolism from good to bad, hopefully warding off the need for an AI while on cruise. It's working so far.
Will update until I start my cycle.
QtripsA little update:
-prop at 60mg eod is fantastic. I'm getting erections all night, always waking with one, going to sleep with one. Just incredible; I never had this when using enanthate.
-HCG at 150iu a day is where I'm settling. It keeps the balls working nice and the benefits of HCG enormous. Use it.
-GHRP-2 and CJC once in morning and then PWO has had a noticeable affect of helping to lean out.
-haven't taken arimidex in about a week, and have all the signs of E2 being in or around the sweet spot. I'll be adding I3C to further boost this improvement
-I have supps on the way that are all to regulate hormones even more. Things are looking good.
-Strength and size, even fat loss, have continued to improve even off cycle! I have kept all gains and keep getting more!
My next cycle starts Dec. 11. I will give a few more updates up until then about the supps, how this protocol is going, etc.
What size needle are you using to do the prop subq in your glutes? Have you tested your DHT levels on your new protocol?
I'm curious about trying out a prop based protocol.
QtripsI may end up testing DHT right before my next cycle, because I am curious. That is on my radar. And mine is usually low. I use a 30g 5/16.
Thanks. Keep posting your results... I'm very curious about trying a Test Prop TRT protocol myself. Doubt I can get my Doc to go along though.
QtripsLol, you're on eroids! You no longer have to worry about that kind of stuff. I sure don't. ;)
QtripsTook 3 valerian root caps and chamomile tea last night in the effort to help my shitty sleep. It worked. I feel great today.
Interesting - I am on TRT 1 ml @ 250mg every 14 days (Primoteston) and 20 mg tamoxifen per day. Still feel tired a lot, no gains to speak of and libido is rubbish.
Any good tips based on experience?
Also being in the land of Aus?
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QtripsYou need to get on the subQ train and inject twice a week. 62.5 mg each injection. 14 days is too far apart. If you have the vial with you, you can order insulin syringes and do this on your own. If you have labs, start a thread and post them and I'll help you out.
Thanks have posted lab results
QtripsSleep was decent, albeit I woke up a few times. Still feel okay though. I must find a way to eliminate all these wake ups.
I'll be taking .25 adex today, on my e3d schedule. If this goes good, nothing changes. If it has negatives, I move it to e3.5days.
Are you still taking Proviron with al lthis gear?...If so, how much?....Boners would be a rule of the day when dosing it moderately enough!
QtripsNo, I'm holding off on proviron right now. I want to get my E settled in and my T dose right before adding it back in. I'll be adding it back in soon though. I was getting headaches and thought it could be the provi, but found out today that it was lack of sleep and an out of whack neck.
QtripsSleep was very good last night, feel like my old self today. The GHRP-2 was causing me sleeping issues from the rise in cortisol. Taking it in the mornings and PWO is money though. Things are really starting to get dialed in. Getting closer...
QtripsTook .25 adex yesterday. On the e3d schedule. When using Test E for TRT, I never used to get night time erections. Now using prop, I'm having them every night.
Update on the GHRP2 and CJC:
-the GHRP2 is actually keeping me awake at night...looks like I'm one of those unlucky few who get a little too much of a cortisol spike, and I can tell too cause it makes me heart race.....so when I order next, I'll be getting ipam and taking that at night
-I look leaner in the mornings, food tastes good
more to come in the following weeks...
QtripsErections were a little weaker last night than the days before. This is a self note for me.
The protocol will now be:
Test Prop (new brand) 60mg eod
HCG 200iu ed
Arimidex .25mg e3d
GHRP-2 and CJC, dosed at 100mcg and 50mcg, respectively, taking in morning and before bed, and also PWO on training days.
QtripsWho's not in pain? THIS GUY!
QtripsSo I have no more pain. I also couldn't help but try out the GH analogs. Interesting result, will report back tomorrow if I'm in pain waking or not. If I am, it's cause I dropped my E2 a little too low. If I'm not...you'll see.
Qtripshttp://www.eroids.com/pics/an-experiment-on-ol-ratty
QtripsAn interesting thought crossed my mind: the test prop I'm using could be bunk. I'm about 3 weeks off cycle, and now shit's going bad? Hmm...I was lucky enough to receive some prop recently from a promo, so I'll be switching to theirs. If it ends up being the case, I'm honestly going to be pissed, but happy at the same time if I feel better.
QtripsSleep? What's sleep? Woke up 5 or 6 times this last night, back, neck, legs and wrist in pain. I am completely sure now the sleep is what's holding me back, 100%! The GH stuff is set to arrive today. So, I'll be using it today, twice to get a head start, and will update the protocol tomorrow. Please, God, let this work and bless me with sleep!
QtripsHad a very strange sex dream last night...I love getting those; they basically seem like the real thing! Erections again during the night, almost every time I would wake up. And that's the problem I believe: I wake up too much and my recovery is shit. The peptides should be here hopefully tomorrow or Monday, so we'll see if they help ratty get good sleep.
On rare days where ratty does get good sleep, the difference is there. But that difference will soon have high GH levels added to it.
My AI was giving me the same sleep issues (waking up multiple times a night). I am on a low does of test-c (300 mg a week, split). I was taking aromasin @ 6.25 ed, then went to eod (at night), but still had sleep problems. Now I just take it as needed and my sleep has gotten better (I now take it in the morning when I need it). I've tried to ask if anyone else has had sleep problems with AI, but haven't gotten much response. I'm not sure if everyone has this side effect, but I sure do.
QtripsMaybe you get that side effect from taking it because it somehow lowered your E2 too much during the night, causing you to wake?
It's possible. I think it's more of a reaction to the medication, more than my E2 levels. I think I'm sensitive to the AI and that is what is disturbing my sleep. When I switched to taking it in the morning, as needed, my sleep improved.
Just thought I would throw that out there. Don't know if it will apply to you or not though.
QtripsI usually take my ai in the morning too. I'm waiting on the GHRP2 and CJC and will reevaluate things after that. Right now, in some areas, they're decent, but this lack of sleep is holding me back.
QtripsHm, I've read elsewhere that high e or low e can impact sleep, but not taking an ai by and of itself. Honestly though, my sleep hasn't been good for over 3 months. I'm also on hydrocortisone for adrenal fatigue, and wake up at 8 a.m. everyday, so if I'm not asleep by a certain time, I won't be getting good rest.
I also have no choice but to take an ai, as my estro creeps up fast and when that happens watch out, things are not pretty.
QtripsHad libido yesterday, and erections during last night. More sexual thoughts and all that. But my body is a damn wreck, thanks to terrible sleep. Muscles ache and aren't recovering fast enough because of it, as well as my lifting program being quite strenuous. These GH analogues need to save my sleep. Also, my farts can kill a herd of cows. Not sure what's up with that.
QtripsPlaced my order for the GH analogues.
Will update the protocol once they arrive. And it should be said that I'm not going merely for average with this protocol, I'm going for greatness....having everything top notch, that is the reason why there are more than one compound going into this. When I get this protocol down, it will be my cruise in between blasts, but if I find some things working very well, they will be brought over to the blast...like if the GH analogues give me great sleep.
QtripsSomething has happened. I am in what can only be described as "libido ecstasy." The only things changed today were taking 200iu HCG in the morning instead of night, and taking a proviron at noon instead of 11. Holy shit, and this feeling is with garbage sleep. I feel like things are picking up. Very excited to use the gh analogues for sleep now. Wow, a simple change can do so much.
QtripsHCG at night does not help with sleep. In fact, I'm wondering if my problems are being caused by bad sleep. MY SLEEP SUCKS! On the other hand, even though I'm not getting randomrections with the proviron, when I manually get an erection it is quite good. Improved over baseline.
I'm going to be adding GHRP-2 and CJC w/o DAC to the protocol strictly for sleep.