+ 1 My new trt protocol/experiment
So I'm going to be updating my new trt protocol in this thread. After many trials and errors, and now that I'm off cycle, I've begun.
My protocol will now be:
65mg of test prop--injected subq into glute--eod
300iu of HCG--injected subq into stomach--eod
.125-.25mg of adex--taken morning after shot--so eod
25mg of proviron--taken in morning--ed----just need to wait until it arrives
Also, I am on selegiline, plus other stuff, but I'll keep it solely about trt in here
The reason I'm on this protocol is because I actually believe one can grow tolerant to trt. I've seen it myself, as I believe I was one of those people. That is the basis behind using the prop and not enanthate--prop comes in and gets out quickly, mimicking pulsatile natural secretions more than enathate which is more level. Same with the HCG, pulsatile and on the reverse schedule of the prop.
My DHT is also naturally low, even on high doses of test. Thus the reason for adding in the proviron. It sucks when you have a libido but the erection difficulties persist...very frustrating.
Hopefully this thread turns into something helpful for all. Will update every so often.
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QtripsWow, so I slacked on the arimidex due to thinking the proviron would take care of the estrogen. LOL! Boy, was I wrong. Back on the adex tomorrow morning. Bumping proviron to 75mg all at once tomorrow morning.
Interesting protocol. Ive heard the short esters subQ hurt like a motherfucker. Evidently you are not having this occur...more broscience to rest.
QtripsNot at all. Even suspension subQ had minimal pip, the prop has none. Complete broscience, no doubt. Now on the other hand, make sure you're going in with at least a half an inch subQ needle. If you do subQ and inject that shit at the top base of the skin, say like an eighth of an inch, then yeah you're gonna feel a little discomfort.
QtripsBad sleep last night. Took the prop shot, not the HCG. So I take HCG tonight, and will be paying close attention to if it helps with sleep or not.
In other news, I took 50mg proviron this morning with coffee. Don't feel a damn thing.
QtripsTaking 300iu before bed helps me sleep....this is a noted observation, and I will see if this continues. If it does, I will bump down to 200iu and take it every day. 100iu never helped, maybe a larger dose does.
Anyways, each time I woke up during the night, which I had a nice 9 or so hour sleep, I had an erection. Not rock hard, but it was there--so an improvement. Today will be my third day on proviron. This has potential.
QtripsShouldn't have sampled moonshine last night. One sample leads to five. Didn't sleep much, head hurts. Can't update today because of this, will update tomorrow. I still plan on front-loading though. Oh well, I usually don't party often, but what's life without a little fun....and some steroids?
I started out with 25mgs and kept at that for 2 weeks without noticing much, It wasn't until I bumped it up to 75mgs. that I noticed results, but since it was balkan's pharma provimed, I assume it might have been underdosed. It's just a matter of experimentation like you said, Good Luck & enjoy!
QtripsYeah. When I think about it, I seemed more dominant last night than I usually do. Hmm, the next few weeks will be interesting.
QtripsNow I've heard conflicting reports. Some say you feel proviron instantly, some say it takes a few days for the amount of the drug to build up in your system. I've taken two proviron today so far, and am about to head out. I feel slightly more frisky than usual. If this stuff keeps building up and keeps getting stronger, I think I'm going to coin the term "Proviron Glasses."
QtripsI'm front-loading the proviron. Today, I'll be taking 75mg. Tomorrow, 50mg. Then after that I'll be on 25mg a day...for two weeks. If everything's good, I'll stay there. If not, I'll up it. Isn't experimentation fun? I should have been a scientist...
QtripsWell, time to experiment. Dropping the ai...
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QtripsSince coming off cycle, my strength has not faltered one bit. Quite the opposite, actually.
QtripsHmm....so I took an arimidex yesterday, .25 cause I was too lazy to cut it down to .125, and...drum roll...I felt very mellow afterwards! Looks like I dropped my E2 a bit low. But then, I also took my 300iu shot of HCG last night, and felt as if that brought my E2 up a little because I had some wood during sleep. Again, I'm very excited to get this proviron--I will be dropping the arimidex when I do. Maybe I'll get a surprise in the mailbox today.
P.S. Before taking that .25mg of adex, I was having good days. This morning though, I feel a bit better.
QtripsStill going strong. I have a few lumps of oil on my ass from the subq injections. Oh well. Picked up another FFDP CD today. Killing it in the gym listening to these.
Thanks for the updates Brother!...Keeping an eye on this thread as well!
QtripsNo problem! The goal of this thread is to find the ultimate TRT/cruise protocol! Like the Holy Grail, of sorts.
Anonwhat is the reason behind the subQ injections? is it to slow down the absorption of the prop?
QtripsJust easier. If I had to do IM my whole life my muscles would look like swiss cheese before I'm fifty. Less pain, too.
Qtrips300iu of HCG went good last night. I was really tired and got to bed a little earlier than usual. I woke up this morning feeling great, so I may start hitting the sack at that same time and consistently shooting for 8-9 hours of sleep, instead of 7-8. The extra hour made all the difference.
Also, I had my second wet dream last night. That's two within one week. That shit don't happen to me! And even after the dream was...ahem, "over," sex was still on my mind. I have to say, so far I'm liking this protocol. When the proviron gets here, watch out. I plan to reduce my ai a bit too when I add that in.
QtripsSo far so good. Have been killing it in the gym. Nice erections and libido yesterday, and I haven't even started the proviron yet. Maybe it will arrive today, after reading the reviews the source I ordered from's t/a is super fast...
QtripsI will continue injecting 300iu of HCG before bed on the eod schedule. After a week or two, if i suspect it in keeping me up/messing with my sleep, I will move it to that next morning, meaning my HCG shot would be in the A.M., and my prop shot would be at night on the same day. But...not yet, we shall see.
Qtrips300iu of HCG last night may have been responsible for making my sleep just be okay. Or, it may have been the hellish but great squat session I had last evening. Either way, after injecting that much HCG I had a libido boost while lying in bed.
You may not need the Arimidex at all on that protocol. I've been running my TRT 40mg EOD of Test Prop for about 1 1/2 years. Smaller, more frequent doses of test don't have big spikes in aromatization. Since I started this TRT protocol, I have eliminated the need for an AI. My estrogen now sits around 20pg/ml (Estradiol, sensitive - range 3-70pg/ml)
QtripsYes, I will be experimenting to see if I need the AI. But for now, since I just came off cycle, I'm going to leave it in there for a few weeks just as a precaution, and then I'll mess around a bit. Test prop seems to be the way to go when I really think about it, as long as you don't mind injecting a little more. Unfortunately, I seem to convert E2 from the HCG. The goal here is to get my E2 at a level between 15-25 pg/ml consistently. You seem knowledgeable about trt, please follow this thread. I plan on having this be a learning experience for all of us trt brethren out there.
Out of curiosity, what volume of oil are you injecting subQ? Or what is the concentration of your gear and I can do the math myself, lol. This is something I'm considering doing. I've injected peptides subQ in my glute, I'm not sure how they would react to the subQ oil. I plan on following this thread and anxiously await your results. Thanks!
QtripsI'm injecting a little over a half ml with a slin pin. The concentration is 125 mg/ml, but I got in on a promo and will be switching to their prop, whatever concentration that is, when it arrives. Injecting into the glute is a breeze, although the next few days you will feel the oil patch there. If still there when you have to inject in that spot again, just feel the patch, and inject above or below it, and make sure to massage the spot after.
SubQ or IM in the glutes? I'm doing 100mg Prop EOD. Was going to change up to ED but by Test is elevated over 1500. At your dose with the Proviron you might not need the Arimidex since Prop is a short ester but if you do BloodWork later you can check your estro and decide from there.
QtripsSubq in the glutes. And that is exactly another reason why I'm adding the proviron. To raise DHT, and to hopefully not need the adex.
QtripsAlso, I will be experimenting with the HCG to see if a certain schedule keeps the boys more plump/aids more in sperm production. My previous HCG schedule of 100iu shots ed worked okay. Now we'll see how 300iu eod goes.
I've done subQ in lower abdominal area like HGH. I think it slows absorption and maybe lowers potency. Ive seen TRT docs talk about it but I think IM is the way to go. With EOD injections you can rotate injection sites (delts, glutes, quads)
QtripsAgreed. From the studies I've seen, shooting IM makes it reach peak concentration faster, but also leave the body quicker. With subq, it takes longer to peak, but stays in the body longer too. I will definitely be experimenting here, as I have not found the best protocol for the HCG yet. Also, I need to start remembering to inject and draw it slowly, instead of so quickly like I have been doing. Those HCG molecules are delicate babies.