Nitti got his point across about how we control tren debates here on eroids and it will carry on to be that way as long as this MOD team stands..... after that who knows what the future will bring.

While i am here i may as well add that after 33yrs of usage YES you read right 33yrs..... i do remember the Parabolan days and was lucky to use massive amounts of it.... so Gearhead if its books we are talking about how many of mine have you already read lol (only joking).

I think the post the Treninator popped in just opened the doors to ALL youngsters to go ahead and blast massive amounts of tren for a year or two depending on the individual and how many brain cells he possesses.

To conclude here.... the last sentence could be a war starter for many men on here, joke or not it shows what type of guy you are to even write those words... i am trying hard not to bow to your level and engage you with my violent thoughts towards that comment..... but im sure you catch my drift!!

Nitti,

Gee whiz. I only sent you a PM on the subject so as not to "argue" with the site mod in the open. I didn't think that was polite. Accusing you of Tren "bashing" was obviously a poor choice of words and believe it or not that word was NOT meant to be provocative.

But, as far as credibility with AAS, my friend, I could write another book on the subject if it would sell but there are too many books about it already. After 15 years of AAS use, I am in excellent health.

As far as Tren is concerned, the 20 or so men that I know that have been using it for years would tell you about some sides, sometimes. It is certainly possible that we just happen to be a collection of men in statistical space that just happen to be on that one side of the bell curve. I find that hard to believe, but my 4 degrees from Cornell University give me an academic intuition that that is unlikely. Four ivy league degrees, Nitti. No one would make that one up. I wish I could say that my MS was in organic chem, but it's not, it's in electrical engineering. LOL I just wanted to dispel for you any notion that I am a dumb ass meathead. Meathead, yes! And proud of it!

As far as the young kids are concerned, they come up to me all the time and ask about steroids. I ask them how old they are. My opinion is that the under 25 set needs to hit their natural max before even considering steroids and generally I ask if they can bench 315, squat 450 or deadlift 500. If the answer is no, I tell them to come back to me when they have at least achieved that much. Do I think a man in his early 20's that isn't even 200 lbs should be playing around with steroids? I don't.

I'm not old enough to remember Parabolan (trenbolone cyclohexylmethylcarbonate), but the lab I use still makes it. Doesn't seem to be any large demand for that particular Tren ester. Anyway, I absolutely am not sucked in to "the perils of Tren" quasi religion. If your intent is to keep kids safe and this was also what I said in my PM to you, I think the emphasis should be more on oral steroids. Why? Because young kid are afraid to pin. So, it's much more desirable to use too much dbol, to much Anadrol, etc. than to pin a cc of Test.

If a kid is hell bent on using something, I try to persuade the kid to get a blood test so he can see where he is at rather than speculate. I'll go so far as to tell him how to order blood work on the internet without involving his personal or family doctor. If his Test level is beautiful and I can't convince him that maybe some core changes to diet and training will bring him closer to his goals and he is convinced chemicals are the answer well then I recommend starting with a Test only cycle. Again, that's my opinion after 15 years. If a newbie is hell bent on using Tren - I would rather see that than 100 mg a day or more of Anadrol for 12 weeks. If you think that a moderate dose of Tren is more of a problem for a newbie than sucking down mouthfuls of orals - I'm at a loss for words.

With all respect (honest),

GearHead

So there are people here who believe that we are "TREN BASHING" when we discourage the loose chatter of it in the open. Someone asked me "why is it dangerous for kids" in a pm. He should really post his questions here so they can be addressed by the community but whatever. If you don't already know the answer to that than you just lost any credibility with you AAS expertise IMO. I'll entertain you anyway. Why is it tren dangerous for kids? Well let's see, for starters even a simple TEST cycle is dangerous for them. We'll skip the part about them not having any business using AAS in the first place and playing Russian roulette with their endocrine systems. Or that tren is NOTORIOUS for horrible side effects,...that's too obvious. They are fucking around with powerful hormones when in some cases they haven't even finished developing. Tren Hex was once approved for human use and QUICKLY pulled off the shelves when they realized it worked "TOO WELL". Ppl packing on loads of lean mass in remarkable time frames with shit diets and muscle wasting diseases. It is used IN FUCKING CATTLE to beef them up pre-slaughter. It's not even approved for human use. I know you're next point is "well EQ isn't approved for human use and I don't hear you bitching about that". Well EQ doesn't have an androgenic/anabolic rating 5x that of testosterone. Simply put , it's something that we (eroids community) don't want loosely discussed in the open. It's something we have busted our asses to keep under the radar and discussed more conservatively. You have some ppl who just don't get the nasty side effects or kidney issues, elevated liver enzymes and blood pressure so high they beat their wives up for their food getting cold. I'm one of the ppl who can't run it more than 4 weeks. It's becomes useless to me and does nothing but generate side effects at that point. This is just a tid bit of WHY and anything else I missed in sure the guys around here can help clear up why it's discouraged around here. But don't tell me that I'm BASHING tren. You haven't looked at my post history or pics I guess if you think that!

Other than turning me into a true dick at work and with family, I didn't experience any crazy sides with tren ace. The biggest difference was superman strength hit personal bests in only 4 weeks of using the stuff. Cardio was a bit diminished as well.

if you regurgitate some shit about tren and Deca competing for the same receptors I'm going to find you and backhand your wife

First thing, tren and Deca don't compete for the same receptors? Correct me if I'm wrong but don't ALL AAS COMPETE FOE THE SAME RECEPTORS? I was under the impression all these years that there is only one kind of Androgen Receptor and any kind of androgenic compound will bind to it. Some at higher affinities than others but they compete none the less. Tren has a MUCH higher binding affinity than test which is why we use tren in higher doses. So not to waste test and increase estro sides unnecessarily. Second thing ,...

#What Hollywood said is 100% correct! While I respect your craft and experience in this world , you need to use more discretion when posting about compounds that we have worked so hard to keep the youngsters away from. The kids happen to be yeah overwhelming majority of members here. So you'll do better requesting an invitation to the advanced cycles group (talk to RoidNoid) and post there. We simply don't want that kind of info flying around freely. And please don't say "well they can get info on the net anyway". Yes they can but it doesn't have to be from here and not on my watch. Thank you in advance for your cooperation!

Almost forgot,.. the back handing of the wife thing. We know you're kidding but that can easily turn into a dispute. I just regurgitated some shit about receptors, you Gona come look for me and backhand Mrs.Nitti? See where I'm going with this? Someone posts in objection and then the mama jokes come out. I'm tired. I don't wana babysit a thread. So this part has nothing to do with rules or procedure. Just my own personal request!

how about this, there is an invite only group for advanced cycles so as not to give our impressionable noobies ideas cuz we all know how well the "please don't try this at home kids..." routine turns out http://www.eroids.com/og/advanced-steroid-cycles

But if you regurgitate some bullshit about tren and deca competing for the same receptors I'm going to find you and backhand your wife

How about some basic research on 19nor's and proclactin cuz when you start to get milk jugs then someone might back hand YOU thinking you are their wife LOL

Juice, what a pleasure to see some dosages from an advanced user. I too run gear in grams. My experience after 15 lovely years is that you consider switching to Tren E and start at 600 mg/wk with that along with the Test and Deca. You can run Tren and Deca together. I have. The real chemists on the board probably have an understanding of why Tren E seems so much "smoother" than the acetate. 3 weeks of Tren should not be punishing your joints, bro. I mean Tren is not Deca Joint Joy but still. I have run Tren E in a stack for as long as 20 weeks with no appreciable abnormal bloods and wonderful lasting gains in strength. When you drop it, your weights are going to go down but the permanent effects are worth it. IMHO. 3 weeks is not enough. If by week 6 you're not starting to have a love affair with Tren then my name shouldn't be GearHead.

I also cringe at all the anti Tren propaganda that seems to be everywhere. When I read most of it, I can absolutely tell that the writer has never even used the stuff. It is one of my favorite chemicals and I think all of us with our favorites develop an appreciation for the subtleties. Many labs make crappy Tren!!! I know this personally because I have pinned a lot of crappy Tren from a VARIETY of labs. The first hint of disaster is the color. Yes, the color! Tren E, for example, is a slightly yellow powder when pure. It's almost white. Mixed with most common carrier oils - you get a faint golden yellow color. Tren A is a wee bit darker. BUT, the rust colored CRAP that is everywhere is a result of heating the s**t out of the raw thus OXIDIZING it and compromising the finished product. When you see a bottle of rust colored Tren A you know immediately that the lab is far from pharma grade. IMHO, it is this JUNK that has all the annoying Tren sides and possibly less than stellar results. You said your not getting any sides so maybe you have good product but I wanted to write this anyway because I am passionate about Tren. I am not a rich man and I realize that gear is expensive. If you have rust colored Tren, put it on the shelf for a while, get some quality product and then judge. Tren A - darker golden yellow when not baked under the heat.

I can anticipate the forthcoming posts already. BS GearHead, I have run almost black Tren A and it was wonderful!!!! Yeah, yeah. Hmmmmm. If your trying to introduce someone to wine - are you gonna start em with Mad Dog?

GearHead

I felt Tren A after a week at 50 ed. But my bloodlevels were already ok from 10 weeks at 400mg Tren E/week. But i felt the 350mg from the ace way more. Killed my appetite, even more strength gains, leaned out faster etc...

Give it time my friend, not 100% sure when Tren Ace fully kicks in but for me I really started to see strength gains (big changes in the mirror too) in weeks 5-6. I've read on here people feeling it after the 2nd pin, to me that seems a little fat fetched.

To recap, give it a little longer to work it's magic. Also I presume you're taking an anti prolacting as if that is out of control I believe it can effect gains in strength in a negative way.

i never got bad sides from tren. it doesn't give me strength gains either. I just get lean as fuck and my muscles look more rounded, vascular and full

for me test+deca+var is an unbeatable combo for pure STRENGTH