Battling whether or not to run Tren.
Hello fellow mutants....
Completed a beautiful long 20 week Deca, Test. E and Dbol cycle. (Test. P kickstart)
(I'll keep the dosages to myself so the young ones don't try to recreate that haha)
Sides were minimal because of my Caber / Aromasin / Adex.
Gained 25 pounds and kept 22 Lbs.
Pct. was a success with little strength and mass loss....
(I'm a bit fat (14% B.F.) but that's what a bulker will do....milkshakes too :p)
Here is my dilemma....
I'm looking to break in to the Elite category in powerlifting at the 242 Lbs. weightclass
I get amazing Deca. results / dbol is always a favorite of mine of course....
But I'm SO ON THE FENCE with using Tren. A
Here is the advice I'm looking for....(Consulting all of you like I would my friends)
Stick with what I know works?
Or
Give Tren. a try?
You hear all these success and horror stories....but the benefits of the Strength are so so enticingggg....
Get what I mean?
I could always continue my beloved Dbol or Anadrol
But the Tren. is calling haha
Just curious what you all would say? Hopefully some of the vets. could chime in etc.
Looking forward to your feedback....
J.
P.S.
31 Y/O
Experience using Test. P / E / Deca. / Primo. / Mast. / Dbol / Anadrol / Winny / Anavar
I actually bought 1-test because of all the hype that it's very close to the strength gains of Tren. BUT I P.M.'ed around and found out it's just supercharged Eq. which doesn't really interest me....
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Running it right now over half way done. Havent gained alot of weight but it has toned me up alot and gave me great strength gains. You have more cycle experience than me but of the compounds i used, tren has been the best body composition changer and maybe top strength too. Only side effects ive had at 125 eod are night sweats and restless sleeping but not full on insomnia. 100 eod gave me.zero sides the first two weeks. I say go for it but use ace so if you hate it you can quit and in a couple of days.
P.s. this is my first tren run too and it wont be the last
juice12345678Thanks for the input brother....
i just dropped the tren, not because i didnt like it, and not because i wasnt making great gains. i was having minimal sides, i actually tolerate it very well. my body was changing great, strength was outrageous. but i do mma and tren is an endurance killer. prior to using the tren i could do high endurance training for an hour and still be bouncing around at the end like a kid on to much caffeine, after the tren i was dead in 5 mins could barley get through a single round count, and sparring two rounds was nearly impossible. so i dropped it. for power lifting i think it would be amazing but nothing that would include or need endurance.
juice12345678Yes I've definitely read up on the endurance killing effects of Tren. It's a bit scary in my opinion....I already carry a lot of weight as is and it makes it difficult on my endurance already....
Thanks for the advice brother
side effects of tren is not that bad and yes the insane strength gains people make on tren is very real. most people will not get severe adverse side effects and will only get mild side effects from tren such as excessive sweating, night sweats and insomnia. alot of people can take tren and it handle it just fine. just dont go full retard on the amount per week. stick with dosages 300-400mg/ week and if you want even less side effects, use more tren than test. so 100mg eod of tren and 50 mg eod of test prop. people who used this method report that they get better lean gains and get more cut and almost minimal side effects because of the low test dosage.
juice12345678You never go full retard
MakaveliCD7Watch it now i liked that 1 test!!! It definitely was good to me....now back to ur question...I know u have got a few cycles under ur belt bc we have talked several times in the pm...powerlifting would def be in the category for Tren use....u have to weigh it out for urself bc afterall It's ur body not mine or another....if u do decide to get on the Tren train do it right....ur on the right track with Tren Ace....It's the best to break ur cherry with bc if u get going and cannot tolerate then u can drop it like It's hot and be normal in 3-4 days with lingering sides....the best thing I can advise is start at a low dose and see how ur body reacts...how u feel...ur training....emotional temperament is...then advance slowly...just make sure to keep low test running for shutdown so u can still maintain manhood....some ppl use Tren eod others every day...ur gonna find everyone is different when it comes to this compound....just go slow...no need to hurry with this big gun...just handle with care until u find ur sweet spot dose with the test ratio that works best for u...just remember to keep the Caber on board and Letro in the first aid kit and run an AI if ur problems occur and play it smart and i think u will have a good 1st run...u hit me up if u have more questions in pm...hope i helped u
juice12345678Thanks for the reply brother....I'm happy with all the responses....feel like I've gotten some great advice
I'll pm you for sure
juice12345678Thanks for the input bud....
I guess this is one of those times where everyone is just different....
If youve ran deca a few times and always revovered and kept sides under control than id guess it would be safe for you to atleast run tren a if only for a few weeks to test the sides.. I think if youre plannin to run it purely for strength and size stackin with dbol would be ideal! You need a certain amount of estro in the body to gain 'fat' with tren.. Obviously pure lean muscle would be ideal but a good dbol kickstart would allow you to gain a fair amount of weight early in the cycle and allow u to lean out towards the end whilst gainin weight from start to finish.. I think the general consensus is that one should run a trt type dose of test with a higher ratio tren dose if lookin to get cut up and maintain weight (say 200mg test/500mg tren).. The big power lifter types seem to so better with a higher ratio (500test/500tren) .. From what ive gathered from experienced users, a higher test to tren ratio will triple the chance of sides and leave u in a fairly miserable state of mind.. Rage insomnia gyno etc... Sooo.. If it were me id start with test at a trt dose and tren at around 200mg and slowly raise the tren dose til u find a sweet spot that work for u! Dont forget to manage estro also to find a sweet spot that works for you and ur goals!
juice12345678I'm pretty sure I'll take the trt route and start with 350 mg of Tren a week and go from there....
Thanks for the input
I'm being 100% honest with you. Only because strength is your goals.
I will say tren is my favorite, it makes you ripped, vascular and gain mass. But I can honestly say I got zero strength gains from tren even high dose. Tren sides are pretty exaggerated by the way. Sure I got a little sweaty and lost some sleep other then that not much
There are 4 steroids that give me impressive strength gains - Deca, Anavar, Dbol, Anadrol.
Then for average or mediocre strength gains I'd say Test, eq, tren, halo
So I'm letting you know that tren did not give me any significant strength gains. NONE. Deca is by far the best steroid for strength for me.
juice12345678Also....
How was your Blood Pressure on Tren.?
Thank you....
134/83 got all the way up to 145/90 when on anadrol, and lots of stimulants.
keep in mind I have a history of high blood pressure in my family. I'm also using EQ in high dose.
juice12345678I really appreciate your input man....
I find that so bizarre from the stand point of no strength gains etc.
I've heard over and over that the strength is insane....
I absolutely agree that dbol and anadrol strength gains are awesome and very very quick but long term....tough to put your body through 12 weeks of dbol if you know what I mean....
I have some thinking to do
Yes that's all I wanted to let you know. Not everyone get's the strength gains from tren. The only way you will know is if you try it for yourself.
Deca and anavar are the best for strength for my body.
As for dbol, you could do 4 weeks on then take 2 week break than do another 5-6 weeks.
my mate just started test p, mast and tren ace cycle 4 weeks ago, first time with tren and hes loving it, hes had no sides yet except extra sweating in the gym, he usually runs bulk cycles of test e dbol and deca, but the best part hes liking is that hes keeping his body weight but trimming up fat around the waist and hes definatley harder and more vascular, ive got a few bottles of tren e laying around, im always looking at it and thinking about a nice summer cycle, havnt yet though so know what your saying!!
juice12345678I've gathered that the sides are over hyped....
What does your friend say about his strength?
It's weird how the Tren. just sits around calling your name no? Haha
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, over hyped? Dont gather that yet, everyone is different! it seems over hyped to those that dont suffer bad sides however it seems underhyped when those with low sides talk to those with bad sides! depends on who you ask. ive ran it from 35mg/d to 200mg/d and believe me sides are real at some dose. EVERY steroid has sides at some dose! Tren sides just seem to show up at a smaller mg/d dose then others!
yes sorry, I should of added that in, just because my mate is going ok on it doesn't mean the next guy will, and I should mention the dosage hes using is on the low end of the scale aswell, in no way did I mean there is no sides, hes just lucky rite now, who knows what could happen to him in a couple of weeks from now!! , its the game we all play putting aas in our body, we have good guidance and all we can do is run them the best we can but at the end of the day roid noid said everyone is differnt!! I did not mean to write that up to convince you to run it, just to let you know my mates going ok atm. cheers
juice12345678I appreciate the heads up brother.
I seem to have a strong tolerance for them there anabolics
But I should probably say that the sides I've read about are absolutely scary enough to make me be super cautious....
I'm also just so intrigued by the sheer potency of the substance you know?
I may just have to try it haha....
Goodness I hope I don't sweat too much....I'm a bit of a fatty right now and I sweat like a monster alreadyyyy (14% BF)
Maybe I'll get a hat with a fan in it
35mg/d I get no sides, 50mg/d I get sleep sides maybe get 5 hours sleep, 100mg/d I get maybe 5 hours of light sleep and agitation. 150mg/d I get maybe a couple hours sleep along with 10 20 minute power naps, agitation, irritation to anything that dont go my way, aggressiveness and immediate anger and rage available. 200mg/d I did it for a little over two weeks and had to quit, sides are not worth the gains and theres just no way to be a employee, boyfriend, father, or even a friend. all doses reach their respected full sides after several weeks. sweating was not one of my sides. some people experience my 200mg/d sides at 50mg/d and some dont even know they are on tren.
my BP is very high on tren as well, without a BP med im running 180/130 or so at highest dose.
juice12345678That is the craziest number I have ever heard....
I'm assuming the BP rises with the dose....
Same with me with most orals and Deca / test
it is dose dependent, if you dont got BP meds wait till your on go to the doc and they will most likely put you on something. I run lisinopril, was 10mg/d but when on compounds that raise BP it was still high went back to doc and he gave me 20mg/d script.
juice12345678I'm wondering if because I can run pretty large numbers of deca and test
talking 1000mg's deca / 1200 mg's test and have very little sides....and Tren. and Deca. are 19 nor. (Prolactin being the main cause of sides)....I may tolerate it well....
Just a thought....my bro. science there might be off haha
We'll see I guess....
I'm going to give it a shot
ive done the same with no sides, thats like comparing apples to oranges.
GOT DAYUM dood.... I feel my head is about to explode @ 150/100 .... some scary numbers brotha
yeah his strength is up!! im on a heavy bulk cycle now aswell(1200 test e 600 deca 600 eq) im flat benching 120kgs 3 sets of ten and hes doing a bit over 140kgs same reps so yeah hes stronger
aylmejorIf you're interest are competition id do it. I honestly don't find it as serious as played out to be. I've been on over 2 months. If things are legit.. Lets assume they are I feel fine. I do not cycle tho I stay on. So things may be diff if it interested in recovery. Good luck sir
juice12345678Thank you for your input
biggerthanyouMy advice would be leave it alone until you are sure you are ready. When that time comes I would start super low like 20-30 mg/ day. No sides bump up .1. Having sides once getting into higher dosages just drop back down. Good luck make sure u gotcha caber
juice12345678Thanks for the advice man....
Absolutely have caber to confer that prolactin
I sent a fr. id like to know more about your deca d bol cycles as I was thinking of doing the same exact cycle on my next go around
as for your question. f it, why not try it? Seems you been around the block n as you know with tren ace that if you don't like the sides you can stop taking it n you will be cool in no time. shutdown will probably be similar to the deca as they are both 19nor also with you never using it before Im sure you would see pretty awesome results with it at a low dose
juice12345678Thanks for your FR.
I'll certainly offer the best advice I can....
I actually stumble on this weird taper that allowed me to keep basically everything I gained....I'll be happy to tell you about it....
As long as you're the right age etc.
Ok well just accept the fr n pm me :-)