posted Tue, 09/03/2013 - 18:32
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why are we going to war with syria
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Anyone can give me a good reason other then that they have chemical weapons. Let's face it Iraq used chemical weapons on Iran in the 80s.. And we didn't do shit
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well Mikey, I do have a few abilities that I keep on the DL ;)
BigBmajAnd since the vast majority of people here disagree with you we should what? Ban you, or bomb you? Wipe you right off the map.
hey bro, I think it came out the wrong way, I don't mean that's what I want to happen!!! im saying they need to be punished in some way or another, I should of elaborated!! I do not want troops being sent over anywhere at all!! what I mean is that they chemically gas there own people they will have no problems doing it to us!! no way do I want war!! but what I mean is these countries would nuke us with no problem if they had the chance! what im trying to say if it was us or them? say America had intelligence that one of these countries is going to nuke America or Australia etc I would definatley agree with blowing them to dust!!! and its better than losing anymore troops or military personel- I have full respect for anyone in the military mate!! don't get me wrong they are the heroes!!!
Mike1982I still don't wanna touch his post with a poll BigB!!! Haha
BigBmajCouldn't help myself. Brainwashed people annoy me.
They should all be sent to an island - like Australia :).
Lmao! I'd +1 you of I could.
I don't agree with revenge85 opinion brother, but he worded it with respect. It is a good thing for people to state what they believe even if the majority don't agree other wise like you said we all do to them the very thing that they believe should be done to others
Mike1982It's a complicated double edged sword brother. Its so fubar pank. I wish I would've had the honor to serve under you (no homo lol) This is all a big fiasco that I wish would just stop. I don't disagree with all of what revenge said. There are people who genuinely do not like us just because. No real viable reason for it and the fact that so many innocent people die in the process of getting to them makes my stomach literally turn on a daily basis. We call it casualties of war, when its borderline murder. Not by the men and women carrying out orders but from the men and women who give said orders. Read my post up top about the USS Liberty. Gut wrenching brother. When you made it home I raised my glass and had a big smile on my face. First time in a while lol I hope you're home for good which is probably not likely and when those orders do come, if they haven't already, like I said before man, when you get back out there I hope the lead flies true. Because if we lose you man it would be beyond devastating.
I appreciate your kindness my friend. Your knowledge of history is straight from the archives of facts. I always like reading and seeing different people's perspective... I like the sociology of it all. That is why I don't get put off anymore by people who are ignorant, well unless they are not stating the ignorance as a fact I should say.
I have found though even since coming here that there are many educated people to what is going on even though they have not dealt with the political/military machine from the inside. So that is refreshing to see.
I see many that are straight on track with the facts and then they let it get personal and start believing anything that seemingly supports their love or hatred for the government. I learned a long time ago that I do not need to hate my enemy to kill him, in fact the hate off balances me to succeed at my task. You beat your enemy but not underestimating his abilities or resolve to accomplish his goals.
I find those who rally and shout the most at the government are doing the least to educate others as well as work to change things in whatever means they can. I don't believe in this government, I do believe in freedom. My best advantage is to be able to know from the inside what is going on.
When I go to places and I hear people rally for the current administration against those who are for it. I ask when possible other than blowing hot air at each other what are you doing to stand up and prove that you believe in your views. Of course I never here an answer other than "I vote". I meet all these people who talk about the revolution coming yet none with the conviction to begin one.
I am not even advocating the over throwing of the government but for a people who like to quote Jefferson
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
They go back to sitting on their fat asses and doing not jack shit! But hey they quoted a past President with a cool statement so that must count for something lol.
BigBmajIt was stated as such to convey a point. That people who disagree with your way of thinking should be dealt with by force. Just as he stated.
People who mention wiping half the planet out without flashing an eye. Are not being respectful. 90% of casualties in Iraq were "innocent" people.
Nuking the whole lot is ignorance. I dare call it that.
Yes I agree. It is easy to be ignorant unless you study the facts or see the facts fist hand. When I go places I get hailed as a "hero" or a "great patriot" lol. I don't even know what a great patriot means anymore to be honest. But the real truth of why I still serve is because of the man next to me. That is the only thing on my mind.
A solder doesn't have the luxury of picking a just or unjust war for lack of better terms. But you can believe easily in fighting for the man next to you. I have personal friends in the special ops community that were heroes until they spoke the truth about what was going on politically. Then they were painted as traders lol.
The love of greed and power will always kill the innocent and a bomb makes no distinction from an enemy combatant or a civilian child.
Truly we have forgotten this quote from Robert E. Lee
"It is well that war is so terrible — lest we should grow too fond of it."
BigBmajI spend some time in the Middle East and found the vast majority of the people to be great, very hospitable. It just bums me out to think that people want to drop bombs because the media has them wrapped around their fingers.
People need to travel more and watch less TV.
You are very correct! I have been shown great hospitality from families who put themselves in jeopardy by giving consideration to me and my team. I have learned a long time to hate the individual not the culture or the whole race of a people.
This one man who I broke bread with asked me about my children and I told him about how many daughters I had. He then asked me what I had done to have God forsake me. I laugh to this day about that. The funny thing was he has many daughters and he was not being derogatory about females he loved his daughters so much he worried they would marry an unworthy man of them! Hence the joke. Until we learn to take each person based on their own actions we are going to be the least living creatures of this planet.
Just not to the Middle East. Not exactly a vacation spot!
Mike1982That depends on your view of vacation. If you have a view that a vacation is defined as palm trees, white sand, and blue water then no maybe it isn't. But some of us look at the world different and see beauty in all of it. I don't see heat, sand, old structures, the Muslim religion, and terrorists.....I see a civilization that has been around before America was a speckle in a microscope that evolved into a monster 20 feet tall. As the saying goes...beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. And some of us see great beauty in the middle east.
Mike1982You know the saying brother....a bomb doesn't discriminate. You don't have the same luxury I had when I chose to leave the military. You have men who need your leadership and if that was missing it would be a serious blow to not only moral but to the effectiveness of our operations and as such, would put our men's lives in even more jeopardy. I don't envy your position but damn do I respect the hell out of you. You know the truth yet you don't have that option to leave like I did. They will find someone else in spec ops to fill my place, yours and the lives of your men demand your presence.
Well I will say this if I lie one more time to my wife about retiring and I don't do it....she is going to launch an attack that will make anything I have seen or even read about look like a pleasant picnic lol. I say all the time I only volunteer for so many operations because I fear staying where it is scary namely a foot away from the Mrs lol.
Actually she is the best of the best to me...I just need a good false accuse to do what I want to do
Mike1982They already were weren't they? Isn't that how the country/continent started? Hahaha just kidding....but seriously....joking....but really lol
Sounds like a scene out of The Goonies when chunk describes puking in the movie theater. Lol
Anyway, why do the Americans always need to Police. Let someone else step up and take charge. They don't because they have their own problems.
Mike1982I'm not touching this post with a ten foot pole haha
ditto that!
It would be great if the government could just mind their own business. Spend those dollars here on US soil and stop actng like the world moderator.
Short and simple : bad fucking idea.. Screw you Obama. Congress ok'd it right? Screw you Congress stand up to your big bad president
Mike1982If we just took 5% of the annual military budget and either gave it back to the people or used it to fix infrastructure or strengthen education ....... Could you imagine!!! And as far as these new gun laws and trying to disarm our country.... I dare any federal agency to come get these. 3 of my 7 clips empty in Leas than 4 seconds. You better not come with a shotgun or a pistol and three round burst ain't gonna help you either.
BigBmajExodus
Another war is def not going to help the economy, i predict my taxes going up next year.. why even get involved they all hate us anyways .. we should be more like Switzerland stay out of people business and take care of our own at home.. if we did that, we wouldn't have unemployment @ 7%, maybe our minimum wage would be $15. who knows?! i bet our beautiful country would be a lot better off.
support our troops always much love
Actually if you read between the lines of what they were quoted as saying they said there were "traces of Sarin" found which the traces of sarin actually proved to be sodium flouride and potassium fluoride..that's right the same shit that's in our water supply...This is another false flag to get us into another never ending war that serves no one but the Elite of the world....The Obama Regime clearly does not give a rats ass what the ppl of America want....A pole taken said 91% of Americans do not want this war.....The U.K. Parliament voted against standing with United States in going to war with Syria, this has not happened in 200 years!! yet Obama still pushes for war...there is so much evidence that the U.S. government/military industrial complex is supporting the Syrian rebels who are terrorizing the Syrian ppl, yet he still stands firm in fighting again the Syrian Army.....Even if Congress does not give the approval to go to war Obama declared that HE still has the right to decide and by all accounts it is abundantly clear that we are going to war.....Every American even the sleeping ones, knows this is very bad move but hell, it's been a VERY LONG TIME since anything was really about the American ppl. Our country has been hijacked and has been for over 100 years by outside bankers and foreign corporations that have infiltrated our government and military who have their own sick agenda and want control of the entire world.
Obama should be impeached and tried for crimes against humanity he is nothing more than a liar and deceiver..... For the record Syria poses NO threat to the American ppl, there is no factual evidence that Assad used chemicals of mass destruction (another coined term by the media), there is a civil war in that country that is NONE of our business. I am tired of our Military coming home in coffins, coming home maimed, disfigured, mentally ill, brain damaged, and most of all committing suicide....It is apparent that the U.S. empire doesn't give a fuck about our soldiers so hey why not send them out to get killed no sweat of their ass!
Mike1982Hey Alayna. First off do you mind if I call you Ally? I just think it has a nice ring to it lol
You make several good points. The suicide of our returning soldiers is one that also particularly bothers me. This country plays on the fact that that these men and women thrive and do what they do not only for the soldier next to them but because their patriotism is without question. Our government for a long time has never har a problem pushing that patriot button and using it to gain on whatever their agenda is at the time. Just look at the Gulf of Tonkin incident that essentially led us into Vietnam, which until this last conflict was the most disgusting display of the abuse of power that is still evident till this day. Then when we realize the Vietnamese weren't a people to be taken lightly we institute the draft. Now stay with me here I don't want to lose you lol, the government is absolutely to blame in every way shape and form BUT the American people should hold some also. Stay with me haha. We force people Into wars that have no winners and in the particular instance of Vietnam and even WW2, when you voice your opinion against it you're automatically unpatriotic and you're chastised for being a bad person with no backbone. Never categorized ad having too much honor to not engage in something you don't believe to be right. My dad was drafted into the Marines during Vietnam and as you can imagine it changed him forever. When 911 happened and I was in the Chair...I mean Air Force lol he instantly knew where I was heading. He called me everyday constantly until the day I went on deployment. You would think this government would learn from the past and get better and they have....they've gotten better at what they do. and the fact that the test came back as sarin gas should be even more troubling to people because every damn force has sarin gas. So now it can be linked to whoever they want to say its linked too. That's like saying the person who robbed the bank had on a red shirt. Such a general chemical can be linked to anyone, and just like my loose bank analogy lol you can say anyone with a red shirt was the culprit. And syria has been in a civil war and your absolutely right to say we have something to do with it. Do you know the weapons and money and every other aspect it would take the rebels to continue to fight the Syrian government...our government does because we hav e the receipts. Our politicians say we love pur troops when we pay them like shit, we cheat them on benefits like health.care and other things. Tell me why a very good number of our military families are on welfare? They should never have to be in that position. Especially when your husband is deployed and you're being foreclosed on. SHAME THE FUCK ON OUR GOVERNMENT. And saying government is such a general term but just like us as citizens...the good have to suffer for the bad. Even.more shame on those rare good politicians that don't have the balls to lash out even harder. This country needs to wake up and now more than ever we have, with social media and other things to help. And I believe we will wake up enough to make a serious impact BUT will it be too late by then? And good for the British parliament for standing their ground. Even though the British empire did a serious amount of harm in history in its own right they are still pissed at us for what we did to them in WW2. We literally sacrificed their infrastructure then essentially blackmailed them for their their achievements. I do believe that Obama will give the order to strike. He can't declare war without the approval of congress BUT he can launch certain military operations and strikes without their approval. Will we go to war with Syria? No it just won't happen, but we will be dropping bombs and launching missiles and almost every other facet of our military but it won't be an all out war. Congress had no problem approving a declaration of war against Iraq when the hijackers and support for attack came from Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia. It's funny how we won't do or say shit to Pakistan...that's because they are a nuclear power and the last thing u want to do is piss them off so they deal those weapons under the table....as if they're not doing it now. You find bin laden a mile from the Pakistani capital and all you can say to them is shame on you. All these people from our top rated gov. Officials to the biggest names in terrorism are connected. They have all worked with each other or been "allies" at some point and when those quote unquote friendships go sour...The lower and middle-class men and women suffer for it. There is no more "serving our country". If our country loved the soldiers that much they wouldn't send them into these wars and conflicts that are never a direct threat to our lives. And if the American people as a whole, as a whole now, really cared that much they wouldn't allow this shit. People forget without tax dollars THERE IS NO MONEY. We are the money and at this point there is nothing UNITED about these states. Never has been never will be. How are we united when every city and state you go to laws are different. How can one thing be legal where I'm standing but illegal a matter of 75 miles from me. There is nothing UNITED about that. This is just America and nothing else. I am about to start refusing to use the word united all together. This country was founded by racists and bigots and sexists with a hand full of good ideas. I refuse to look at the "forefathers" as honorable or anything close. How much of a thug must George Washington have been to be the first president. You convinced everyone that you should be the sole leader of all of this. And fuck the constitution also, for one its not followed or even respected and two...how the hell can you even write the words "all men are created equal" when you have slaves doing everything for you and you treat them like subhumans. Sorry Alayna for the long post. Once my mind starts running you need to stick our your leg and trip it to get it to stop lol. I hope whatever you're cycling is giving you good results and thank you for being an awesome member here
Hi Mike, first, yes you can call me Ally if you like, second thank you so much for the kind words, fourth thank you for sharing yr life experience with us and last but def not least thank you for yr service in the military. So much of what you wrote resonates with me....and beleive me i too can have this conversation for days bec i am so incensed by the deceit and callousness of the ppl in power in our government and the ppl hidden behind big corporations and banks that are taking over and destroying the planet country by country...
p.s. im glad to see someone who is soooo awake and knowledgeable
Mike1982Thank you ma'am
I saw you mentioned the FDA. If I didn't care about the innocent people who happen to work there just drawing a paycheck I would love to see all their buildings fall. The fact that they along with the FCC allow pharmaceutical companies to directly advertise on tv and the magazines makes my skin crawl and will give me a brain aneurism one day. I'm so damn sick of hearing "ask your doctor". ARE YOU KIDDING ME. If I have to ask my doctor about a medicine he is just a drug dealer at that point. It's cost $850 million a year just for a pharmaceutical license so that should tell you right there they keep that club membership very small. What most also don't realize is that during WW2 BAYER and I can't think of the other off hand paid the nazis to experiment on the Jews. The most horrible things were done to them including vivisection, which is the cutting open of ones brain while that person is still awake. BAYER and others needed this medical data that people were tortured for. We still to this day use this medical data in everyday medicine. That's why no matter what aas I run I refuse to run anything from BAYER SHERING. if people sit back for a second and study they would wonder how do we know the things we know about the human body and medicine? The experiments that have been done in the past and today have beyond tortured people for the data. Then there is the USDA. Has anyone ever wondered how the hell there are so few employees at the USDA but all this food is USDA inspected? It's impossible and the food here has never been more in jeopardy. Any company with enough money can buy a USDA or a certified organic sticker or label. Even recently the USDA approved the sale of cloned meat to the American public. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!! This shouldn't be surprising because if we think about it there is no way the demand for the food we have in this country alone matches up with what's available to be provided. We consume so much in this country and the corporations are a big blame for that reason. The people have been manipulated so much and our human nature has been absolutely taken advantage of. We get blamed by the people that hate us for being gluttons and for our consumption and demand when the reason for that is because corporations and actually just people looking to get rich have exploited that weakness in our genetic make up. And if they ever invent a time machine I will go back and find Rockefeller and JP Morgans fathers and kick them repeatedly in the balls repeatedly until sterilization occurs. Even that won't stop what's happening because there is always someone else just as spoiled and just as greedy lurking around waiting to fill the void. And I hope this doesn't come off as being wrong to people but can you blame the so called "terrorists". I hate buzz words the government puts on people. If a regime or government ever dropped a bomb on my next door neighbor and the blast zone extended to my house and destroyed the room my son was in you beat god damn believe I'm coming for you. This isn't a defense to all "terrorists" because some just have issues. But this government breeds and forms "terrorists" out of men and women who otherwise provoked wouldn't harm anyone. It's a vicious cycle with our fucked up government at the epicenter of it all. We hurt innocent people and when they want retaliation by joining a "terrorist" organization our beloved and innocent middle and lower working class men and women are sent to kill them. So the cycle keeps turning and the bitch ass men and women of the government and corporate world stay free and alive to continue doing as they please. I dream of a day when every "terrorist" and every one of our men and women in uniform all say FUCK IT at one time and just go home. Then where will that leave the corporate world and the US government? Up shits creek without the paddle they need to be beat with. I'm not even going to get started on the law enforcement of this country. The same rules apply to them as our military forces except WE the people are the "terrorists". Everything I have typed on this forum post is the reason why my head is buried in EROIDS all day everyday. I find peace and solace in the men and women here and every time I leave my house and see what's become of society I wanna mace myself so I don't see it. Damn Ally I was waiting for you to trip me so my mind would stop. The typing doesn't stop till my mind does and it's rare that that happens.
Mikey, I love reading what you write, cause you're absolutely spot on, Well as of today looks like we're going to war except this time there's not gonna be "boots on the ground" yup and there's a big bridge I wanna sell you too!
Its time for me to buy a gun!
this was very insightful thanks
The short answer "Wealth"! Strategic positioning is always in regards to the ability to have greater wealth. Security plays a part but in the case of the Middle East they have no real capabilities has of yet to launch a massive attack directly on the USA. So it would be wealth.
Throughout history empires like Alexander the Great, Rome, Brittan, etc were unapologetic about conquering for the preservation of its people and ego. The US is really an empire but it would never call itself that because it would hate the connotations that would go with it. Especially in a media savvy world. But for any here that are scholars of history clearly by studying the behavior of the way the US conducts itself it passes the litmus test for an empire. Now who really runs this empire well that is a whole other discussion
Mike1982An entirely different discussion indeed. And you already know that would be a lengthy one. This has a three pronged outcome. Money will always be at the root of American military movement now. That's just how the beast has evolved and theres no stopping it trust me. Anything short of a perfect coordinated military advance on the US by EVERY single one of our enemies, and allies who really just don't like us. Even then that would border on world destruction because the powers that be over here are spiteful enough to launch em all if they think for a second losing was imminent. So you have money as your number one. Then let's see....there's the obvious world domination, and with that domination what lies or the feet the root of that domination....MONEY....you could add in power but don't you need money to establish power? So you want McDonalds in Baghdad.....leave em the fuck alone!!! Ok short outburst let's move on. Now the third is actually the most sickening one to me because its a multi-word answer like honor, and we have to retaliate for the victims of the chemical attack or we have to make sure this doesnt happen again. You're using sympathy for the victims and the anger of those who want retaliation and revenge as a means to further the agenda. So what did we learn that wasn't already said above by Pank? nothing much just a few minor details but like big pank just said. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO MONEY IN THE END. Military position does hold some merit but we can already hit Iran from multiple places in the middle east and would have zero problem doing it. Good to see ya pank. Well written as usual sir!!!
I talk politics/current events frequently and with quite a few people and NO ONE is for this. These polls showing a 60/40 split are complete and utter bullshit!
valhallas bestMURICA!! FUCK YEA!! been kickin ass and takin names since 1776!! USA USA USA!!!
AnonTHIS IS WHY^^^
you guys will be the reason why this world will go to shit!
Mike1982If you go a couple posts down he also talks about the military industrial complex. It's a joke my friend. He's not being serious.
Now come on...there is no need to blame everyone for one person's opinion you disagree with. Besides the world going to shit is a matter of perspective many will say it already has.
AnonMy cousin JoeBob who happens to be in the porta potty business says it already has , but he seems to be thrilled. Never figured him out
Mike1982Hahaha that's good stuff. He should know know first hand about it. Talk about catching crap all day long lol
AnonI hate how youre rite
AnonWouldnt surprise me in the least if our very own CIA organized the sale of chemical weapons to Asad , that is of course if Asad even used the weapons. Other countries are claiming rebel forces released the gas.
All you have to do is look at the stream of money that flows in to certain pockets during this process .Who got wealthy during Iraq ? Who got the contracts to rebuild all the schools that were blown up by "accident " American companies thats who . This is a grab for money right now and a continuing strangle hold in the mid east. And why not, the only people that will suffer are the syrians, our soldiers and the avg American
As far as those of you whining about Obama taking us to war youre a fool, if you whined about Bush you were a fool then too. This plan is far bigger than both of them. There were people pressuring Gee Dub, and now Im sure there are people pressuring Obama. But thats ok you all just keep Glen Beck , Rush Limbaugh, or Rachael Madcow wealthy theyve got a drum beat you can march along with too. This is your alternative to "mainstream media " BAHAHAHAHA
AnonWhen people rail against Obama I just think their stupid , but I thought the same when they blindly did the same against Bush, and tried to say he was evil.
The script has been written before these men got in to office, they are playing a game with rules they did not create. You want to rail against someone ? Then have it be against the big corporations and the lobyists who deliver their messages. You think you know who is the leader of this country ? Well I sure as hell dont, so please tell me who it is.
I know who the president is and believe that position deserves a certain amount of respect no matter who is in office . It would ultimately be I who did not deserve any respect if I was stupid enough to think this is all Obamas doing.
That's probably the best explanation I've ever heard. It's a machine.
This is accurate! Presidents are equal to the old hey look over there trick. They are figure heads not the power behind the movements.
The leader of our country and the world are the Rothchilds, Duponts, Rockafellas etc. the Rothchild dynasty owns 52% of the worlds wealth. This one family alone is worth somewhere between 400 and 500 trillion dollars! their wealth is so well hidden it cannot even be fully tallied....
AnonDingding ding give the lady a prize !
valhallas bestbecause thats our military industrial complex for you, always has to be taking over something. winston churchill always said "never let a good crisis goto waste"and thats been our goverments mantra for years although you would never hear someone in office say it. theres no fing threat and our goverment doesnt really care about the well-being of the people over there, if they did theyd be working on our nation, not getting their dicks dirty inother nations business.. Our goverment since the beginning of time has always used national security etc risks to our nation as an excuse to declare war, fuck shit up, put people we want and power, and reap everything that nation has been benefiting on whether its a strategical base from a military vantage, or oil or other industrial reasons..