WTF with this pip?
Done a cycle of test E before and used three different brands thru the course of the cycle. pip was very minimal even with virgin muscle. Im now on a 1-test cyp and test e cycle. They say the 1-test is super painful, however I get very very minimal pip, less than test e with virgin muscle. However I am using test E and having terrible pip, first shot I pinned a little less than 2 CCs in glute, (300 mg/ml test) Had really bad pip, had my girflreind try to massage it to help, I think that made it worst, but regardless I am still in pain with a knot from last friday. It does seem to be getting better each day, not red anymore never had a fever. Yesterday I pinned quads for the very first time with just under 2 CCs of the same test. 6 hours later I did legs, I dont know if that helped or made it worst, I thought the 12-15 rep range leg day would increase blood flow and make it feel better. HOWEVER today I feel like I got kicked by a horse, really painful, not sure if its from the test, maybe virgin muscle, maybe too much volume, or the leg day? What do I do, next pin will be friday in other virgin quad, but only .8 ccs of test and 1 cc of 1-test cyp in the same syringe, hopefully the lower volume of test with the addition of the 1-test will ease the pain. Also have taken ibuprofen and used a heating pack a ton...
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RustyhookerRun the math dude. Split those doses down to eod pins. 2cc is no joke with pip. Try smaller doses eod.
Im not gonna go thru 30pages of pip control. There's a hundred forums.
Click my name...check the pip forum collage
I am using the same products as you right now , I assume by the same source. You say 2cc, is that testE only or the 1-test combined with it? You realize they recommend running less TestE than the 1test right? I am pinning .6 to .7mg of TestE and 1mg of 1-test cyp combined. I can feel just a little bit of a dull like pain while injecting but then almost zero PIP.
TropicanaJuiceI keep hearing ppl running test lower because they compete for the same androgen receptors. Wouldn't that just mean the extra gets converted to e2 thus making a higher dose or ai they only real difference? Or am I missing something completely
TropicanaJuiceI pinned 1.6 cc test twice and 2 cc 1-test cyp twice on different days each so I have yet to have the two compounds in the same syringe. I talked to a member who said 500mgs a week of each would be fine. From now on it's gonna be about 1cc of each in same shot for a total if 2cc so hopefully the lower test amount will be fine
I'm craving Tropicana orange juice, now.
2 things. Working the muscle out after injection has only ever increased my pip pain. And second your source could have made a batch that had a higher ba content in it which hurts!
There is a handful of things that I do before I pin. I pretty much have a religious ritual to try assure that I don't get any type of pip. But from some and certain compounds there is job getting around it. You can try getting a shower before you pin. This way the muscles will nice and warmed up and loose from the hit water. Also you'll have a cleaner injection site. You can take your bottles and sit them in hot water while you're in the shower to warm the oils up. This will help "thin" them out so injections can go smoother. Try heating your oils with a hair dryer after you've loaded the barrel of the syringe. Keeping the lid on the needle is an obvious thing. This will also help thin the oil out. Have you tried cutting the oils with sterile GSO or sterile CSO? What size pins are you using for each injection sites? Here is an artical that may help explain what's going in and give you some ideas of what's causing your pip.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/getting-to-know-pip
TropicanaJuiceYa ill try a shower before, and I use a 1.5 inch 25 g. Haven't tried cutting it but Friday ill try the shower and mixing it with the 1-test
25g 1 1/2 on glutes?
TropicanaJuiceYa and I did a quad yesterday
Every thought about using a 23g? It will help that oil go through a lot easier. Especially after you heat it up.
TropicanaJuiceWouldn't it be better that I'm pinning more slowly with the 25g?
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TropicanaJuiceI could try that, I've been using the same needle to pin as I have been using to draw so I think I'm gonna get some 18g to draw
Don't use an 18g to draw. You'll carve out holes in the stopper which will eventually fall into your vial whether you see them or not. Wana talk about pip? Inject a foreign body (rubber) into your muscle. Go with 20-22 to draw. If you warm the oil it's going to be plenty easy to draw up. And you want minimal pip? And to make sure you aren't doing something to cause it? Use the smallest gauge possible. 25g-27g is plenty for most oils. However, don't use the 27g x 1-1/4" in the thigh or ass. It's too flimsy and those muscles are too strong. I use the 27 in small muscles like delts, tris. And the 25 for everything else. When you pin as often as I do, you need to minimize scar tissue. That means keeping the pin size down. No need for 22's or 23's anymore. Faak that shit. It's really just preference. But obviously keep everything sanitary. Warm the oil and pin slow. If you still get issues with this and the advice that Abaddon and the guys are giving you, then your source sucks balls cuz his oils are causing it.
TropicanaJuiceThanks brother well see Friday, I don't think his gear sucks he is one of top sources
If I've learned anything in 2 years of being here its that ALL UgL's make mistakes with solvents and mixtures or some other issue during brewing. Or maybe they just gyped a batch. They're still human and since they aren't being regulated, they fuck up too. Don't dismiss the idea that the oil may be causing it just yet.
TropicanaJuiceYa I know everyone's human that's why I haven't said any names and don't intend too, everyone makes mistakes. We will see Friday I will be pinning glutes which are use to oils and I will be usin half the amount if test I normally do with some 1-test in the same barrel, will take a shower before and warm up the oil, if I still have terrible pip it's the gear which is gonna suck idk what to do with it
100% agree with this!
Using the same pin can also be a culprit. I never use the same pin to draw and inject with. 1. It dulls the needle and 2. You're risking chance of infection. Even though you cleaned the top if your vials which I'm going to assume that you do. As far as using a 23 gauge, that's just an option to try. I found the using 23g on my delts has greatly reduced my pip. My pins are a lot smoother and I notice I'm not having to push down on the plunger as hard. I still practice pinning as slow as possible. You have to think that your muscle were never designed to have a needle push into them and an oil forced in there as well. You just have to find what works for you.
TropicanaJuiceYa I'm deff gonna try the bigger needle I find myself having to kind of force the oil in. Thanks well see Friday when I pin again only a cc of test not 2 and I have it mixed with the 1-test cyp. Ill prob hit my good glute cuz I know that it's usually good with oil, quads could just be a painful spot for me
Well any time you hit virgin muscle it's going to hurt the first few times. But then you have oils that are going to cause pip regardless. Test 1 cyp is known to cause high mg blends and even basic high mg oils.
X2 on Nittis comment as well. You have a lot of different options to try here to find the culprit of your issue. start with the smaller gauge to reduce scar tissue. Especially if your going to be one of those people that end up pinning a lot. I have a friend that pin with nothing slin pins. It make take him 8 minutes to pin but that what works for him.
Very strange, usually I experience no PIP when using test e. I'm not sure if something is wrong with the gear, but if you have the cash flow I would try another source for a bottle or two. In the mean time, some things I have done to reduce PIP are heat up the oil before you shoot, shower before you shoot and let hot water run on injection site for about 5 min, and lastly I use a heating pad at night when I'm experiencing bad PIP. Hope this helps bud, sorry to hear about your troubles.
Something is definitely up if you're test e is more painful than your 1-test cyp! Are they from the same lab? I wonder if they somehow got mislabeled? Either way, if I had test e with that much pip I'd prolly trash it or sell it to someone who tolerated it better and try a different lab. Maybe try a new bottle and see if its any different
TropicanaJuiceNo there from two different sources, I think I tolerate the EO oil in the 1-test well. I just don't know why the test is so painful, even in the glute which isn't a virgin muscle and before I had my gf rub the shit outta it it was really painful.
I wouldn't rub it. In my experience that just makes it worse. I'd definitely toss it and order from another source. PM me if you need a recommendation for some pip free test e