Numerous questions about anti-aging AND cycling (not the Tour De France kind)
My first question is about Clomid.
Is it possible that I could use Clomid and it could somehow kickstart my T and then my body would take over? Regular users routinely use Clomid to get their body to naturally start producing again. Can I do that and would my body respond likewise?
Also, if I took my Doc's suggestion, and I'm not, and used Androgel (I've got kids and want more of a boost), could I also cycle other steroids while on it... and if so what would I do when I was done with my cycle? I'm thinking I will refuse the Androgel and ask for injections if it comes to that.
My important stats are:
Nearly 40
Test count was 306...since then I have bought a new mattress to help me sleep better, started doing heavy squats again because I heard it helps with T production, been taking Fenugreek, astaxanthin and saw palmetto, as well as Zinc, Magnesium, and B complex before bed to enhance sleep. I am due to be tested again this week. I used to be a natural monster in the gym, weighing less than 200 and hitting 225 for 25+ reps and inclining 330 lbs... but the past two years or so I don't feel like myself, I'm constantly hurt, and lost tons of strength... I think it is the lower testosterone. I've been researching nonstop the last two weeks and it appears my test would be normal.. if I were 93.
I would like to get on Clomid and kick start my system, if anybody thinks that's a good idea, and possibly hit a cycle of deca to see if I can get my joints to recuperate (I've dislocated both shoulders in the past two months, the last one I did opening a jar of peanut butter-it was a big tough jar... I eventually showed it who was boss and opened it, and then I ate it... lost the battle won the war but it looks like age is a tougher opponent that Jif Extra Crunchy.
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Another update on Clomid... just got retested... I was at 269 in June, then on Clomid I was 798 in July, now I just tested last week at 875. I would say Clomid is doing a hell of a job. I highly recommend.
were you diagnosed with primary or secondary hypogonadism?
Wow, sounds impressive. How long has the endo prescribe Clomid for you? ie, do you have to keep taking it long term?
I've seen studies where it maintained effectiveness for three years. The studies were only three years old so they are incomplete. As of now, clomid is both my short term and long term plan. The endo is shocked by the results but he is all on board and continues to keep the prescription going.
Just thought I would give an update. I refused Androgel, told doc I didn't want test injections, that I wanted Clomid. He approved, I was on it for 5 weeks, aches and pains mostly went away, strength went back through the roof, I've got energy, feel better than I have since 25....but the numbers you've been waiting for...
Before Clomid 25mg a day test level was 269.
After starting Clomid 25mg a day test level was 798. It might have been slightly higher but I fasted for the 2nd test and didn't take my pill that morning before testing.
Friggin awesome! I start my PCT on the 14th. Hopefully I get that kind of response
An update to my condition and Clomid. I got more lab results in and my T had fallen to 269, that after spending $1300 on a mattress, and I really bagan researching the hell out of Clomid.
I've got two little girls so there was no way in the world I would do the Androgel, I told the doc that there was no way I would do that... and I heard it really wasn't all that effective. I told him I would do the test shots as a last resort. In researching Clomid, there have been numerous studies done that have proven it to be a viable alternative to test shots. Great results have been reported, with no sides, on 25mg a day and 25 EOD so I pushed for it. He sent me to an endocrinologist because he had never prescribed Clomid. I went to the endo armed with tons of info, stated my case, and he wrote the script. My insurance didn't/doesn't want to cover it, he's writing a letter now trying to convince them otherwise. Either way, I purchased a month's worth of 25mg (15 50 mg tabs) and started on Tuesday early evening.
On Tuesday I was worried it wouldn't let me sleep having taken it so late... so maybe I was apprehensive and it kept me from falling asleep as fast as I'd like. Other than that I felt a little bit of tingling in my testicles. I slept normally, and on a whim I decided to sleep without my dreaded night boot for my Achilles heel spur even though I had worked out legs hard that day.
I woke up on Wednesday without my Achilles hurting... not bad for after a leg day and no night boot. It got better. I put my feet on the floor and I was moving within two steps. Usually I walk around like a zombie for a few minutes. Then I went to go downstairs. Usually I hand rail zombie it all the way down in the morning. I just went down the steps like I had been up for hours. Was this the Clomid/higher test working, or was it placebo? I didn't/don't know. Wednesday during work went by without any crashing or feeling tired. I got home, went to the gym, worked out my back the hardest I had done in 6 months. The pain in my right shoulder and forearm wasn't there... that much... not enough to keep me from doing 5 plates for 10 reps on each side of the high rows. I had done 4 and a quarter the week before for about 5 reps on each side then finished with 3 more on the left. The whole workout was supercharged. The week before I struggled to do pullups, this day I was getting 5 pullups with 55 lb dumbbell between my feet. Placebo effect? Maybe... but I know the pain just wasn't that bad like it had been.
Thursday my energy was still good. My chest workout was actually a little worse than the week before as far as rep numbers. The week before I was consistently getting 6 reps of 110's on incline, yesterday I go 5 5x and 6 once. But I was able to workout to the muscle was done... something I hadn't been able to do... because of my left shoulder and because I would get physically exhausted. I felt good Thursday night and even had a little trouble sleeping because of all the energy I had.
I go back in a month to get lab results again. My twins are full and always present. You don't know something's gone until it goes away and comes back. My balls are in the way again. I forgot what that was like.
Hi, I am on HRT (isn't the same as TRT?). My T is about 210, without any supplements. I began Test Cyp at 200mg/wk. From my earlier days of cycling, I thought about the long term effects of never coming off Testosterone. Would it make my condition worse, due to suppression of my natural T for so long? From what I've read, and am doing myself, 500iu of HCG 3 times per week for 20 days (long enough to use up 5000iu Amp), every 3-4 months. Get 1 5000iu Amp of HCG, mix it, put into 1 syringe that you use for your Test injection and refrigerate it. Then draw out 500iu, which is 10 units by insulin syringe as needed. Also, If you find that your doctor is conservative with your dosage, After beginning injections, prior to getting your bloodwork, skip a dose or 2 so that your T levels are low enough to justify increasing your dosage. Just make sure that your T levels are still higher than prior to beginning T therapy. I have done this, and am now being prescribed 800 mg/wk of Test. And since you would be on year round, after several months, suggest to your doctor that you would like to try nandrolone decanoate to avoid receptor saturation. Nandrolone will most likely need to be filled by a compounding pharmacy. And your test can be filled at any pharmacy. Do you see where I am going with this? Since the scripts are at 2 different pharmacies you can fill both, while not doing anything illegal. A suggestion, ask your doctor for Test Cypionate because you can fill it for one third of the cost of Test E. A free coupon at GoodRX.com will get you Test Cypionate 200mg for $40 (10ml), when you get 2 at a time from Walgreens.
Your doctor prescriped 800/mg of test c per week? I want your doctor.
Very curious to see what you get for replies because I am going to try exactly what you are asking.
My Test was 197 and I decided to cycle instead of going on TRT. I am going to see what Clomid/Nolva/Aromasin do for me after I stop the Test. I am 6 weeks in and will keep you posted!
Brasho.
I would start by doing what I did for TRT as it seems to work for me and if anyone wants to correct me feel free.. I am just stating what works for me. I currently am taking 250mg per week of Test E "Primoteston" by Bayer and it has produced a world of changes in me, Stronger, Leaner, and all around boost. I suppose any Test E would be a good base to start with. At my dose and for my body i have no gyno no bad side effects so far.
I have been on Pharmacy HGH for 1.5 years at 2 IU's per day and let me tell you for the bang for the buck the Test really produces noticeable changes if I would have started the Test before the GH I may not even be taking the GH now.
Is the Test E injectable or oral? Because you are taking the Test, are you pretty much on it for life?
Also, what does the 250 mg per week put your testosterone levels at?
its injectable and I have not had labs done yet. I will let you know after i get them done. I am a pretty big guy so for my size i have been fortunate no sides yet and don't plan on blasting any more products at this time so hopefully will not run into. Have PCT meds available if needed..
And honestly if I have to be on it for life and it makes me feel great I don't see the problem with it.
I guess from what you wrote regarding the androgel I would recommend asking your doc for injections or maybe he can prescribe http://www.nebido.com/ for TRT that way if you have health ins would cover it.
Okay, in case I wasn't clear, which I wasn't. The questions were: Clomid kick starting my natural production, if I did opt for injections of Test E-could I still do a cycle-and if I did what would I do at the end of the cycle,
Thank you to anybody that takes the time to fill me in. I just want to start feeling normal again. I can't even play with my kids right now, assemble furniture, move a bed, etc.