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+ 6 Negative experiences with HGH.. Please Elaborate
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Have any of you had any Negative Experiences with HGH???
Have any of you come across any studies or articles that show any negative effects???
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I had so much didnt know what to do with it.
Will post more later.
Those are 1.2 iu x 7 day boxes. 7 shots a box. 3.6 mg. Did this for 4 years and did Serostim at a bottle a day 28iu? for awhile too
Im a mess now lol
waltrcan somebody who injects gh in larger doses (10iu+) comment on this for me?
i did a lab test yesterday for some generics, 10iu in the delt and the injection site is swollen and red today.
anybody experience this before?
I got the results back from the test so I know it is actually hgh and not something else, although there may be some kind of filler in there.
VewiJust wondering how much more than 10+ are you doing???
I think he,s just had to do a 10iu intra muscular shot purely for the test purposes bro....... thats the only time you ever have to go IM with HGH.
Vewiyeah I was just making sure.
It could just be all that water in the muscle bro..... its not used to be being pinned full of water.
waltrgood point, i didn't think of that.
it's not something i'm really concerned over but I'd never had anything like it happen so I figured I'd ask
BigBmajI was enjoying the heart health discussion between thread and juice... I started to do a little research myself and I'm having a hard time finding much good information.
Most of everything I find shows a positive correlation between GH and heart health. I did see a few studies showing enlargement of hearth tissue, esp. ELV. And increased cardio output regardless of stressors involved, ie faster heart rate for no reason. Lots of studies show an improvement for patients undergoing surgery or following myocardial infarction who are undergoing GH treatment.
So whenever I'm reading studies I get lost in the minutia of it all and forget to look at the big picture - or what do I see with my eyes actually.
What I see is the following:
Most bodybuilders have terrible longevity. It seems like many of them are constantly out of breath. Are these issues related to growth hormone use? Perhaps a little, its almost impossible to tease out what is causing what. But it doesn't seem like most of those really big dudes have excellent hearth health.
I'd like to make an educated choice when deciding if I want to jump on growth for life. I already have a large left vent and high pressure. My dad died at 50 and his dad died at 40 from heart problems. So its a concern. But I don't really do much to prevent it, as a matter of fact I'm out of breath just typing this.
Can someone point me in the right direction for information?
Thanks.
tread-mHeart health issues in my understanding really can only come from 2 directions with GH aside of all the positive effects.
One issue...improper diet and lifestyle relying on hrt for example and the net effect can be water retendtion due to bad food , high salt, shitty diet and lufestyle in general. That of course means restrictions on your blood flow and high bp and thsoe things lead to potential for type 2 diabetes and then every other genegic disease you are suceptible to. That of course not the fault of GH , the GH just made the user think they could overcome shitty living with a pin.
Second,...abuse. even in the case of abuse more and more we are finding evidence that heart valve change in the BBing community has to do with heavy heavy lifts as I spoke of below. During say a 3 rep max or the top end of suicide sets at peak weight, they have faound the push and strain is so hard on the heart, as you make that push/pull whatever, the heart valve actually changes shape trying to push blood hard and potentially even kinda hold back atg the same time if somewhat holding breath in that harder push. That action over and over in a BBers life is thought to maybe eventually slowly change the shape of the valve causing the valve issue we have seen in older builders.
Even so, the ratio of heart valve issue per capita is still not that much higher than the per capita heart valve issues in the general public so I stand by the thought of "all things in moderation" . If you lift reallly reallu big and or maxing often etc, there is that chance.....not gear or gh related in my opinion. In other words, some natty builders end up with the same issue also indicating and reinforcing the thought of the heart valve change during the mega lifts.
I also come from a family of Heart/COPD problems. My Father, grandfather and uncle all died between 40 and 61. I can promise you one thing, neither my family nor yours had GH to use. I also believe their chain smoking lifestyle is more the underlaying cause than it is genetics. I guess will be the test of that theory..
BigBmajYup they both smoked, drank, and ate shitty foods. But you can't deny the role genetics play. I was a 140 lb vegetarian, non smoking, runner with high blood pressure.
Now that I've put on 70 lbs my pressure is still high but manageable with meds. But my cardio function isn't great for the shape I look to be in. I doubt I could run 5 miles today without a rest.
I had a full work up with cardiologist and he said absolutely no AAS, we didn't discuss GH. EKG, stress, and imagining all came out good but the ELV is a problem. I didn't get a score, maybe I should call the office.
I had a EBT scan from the anti aging clinic and my total plaque score was 0 which is awesome. And I don't have high cholesterol or bad lipid panels at all.
I'm getting older and I have a family. I just want to make sure I'm making somewhat educated choices. Or at least have the info to make bad choices about.
Thanks. And good luck, I wish you a long healthy life.
I just really wish getting huge was actually somewhat healthy. I think we kid ourselves about this sometimes because we eat healthy and train so hard. But I would be better off 40 lbs lighter.
The question I would ask is how much of a positive effect our state of mind is, especially after AAS and GH? If you look good, you quite often feel good which has to have an effect on our central nervous system..
BigBmajCouldn't agree more. But everyone always asks me about how to get so healthy. And sometimes I feel like a hypocrite because I know I could be much, much healthier. Carrying extra weight is hard on the heart. It's tough because I'm naturally so lean, 40 extra pounds on me is only 225 lbs on the scale. I know I'm adversely affecting my longevity. But quality of life is awesome. It's a balancing act I suppose.
We are in the same boat. I am reasonably confident our hearts won't mind 40lbs of muscle as much as 40lbs of fat. And like you said, if our quality of life is that much better while we are here, then where is the harm?
Muscleg33kStrength loss because I was losing fat.
Wow!!!!! Thank god this post came before I started my gh run. Thank you!!! All the detailed writeups below. Got damn I love EROIDS lol
juice12345678Welp it aggravated a benign palpitation of mine.
When I got off HGH (Rips) after a year of use they ameliorated immediately.
My heart doctor and Arrythmia specialist said that HGH is more inclined to cause heart defects than AAS
I read an article about a year ago (a Swedish medical study I believe) that I can't find anymore about the negative effects of AAS AND the combination of HGH in bodybuilders. I'll poke around and try to find it again....
FDA says HGH and Test. in men is safe and with little sides.
But we as Powerlifters and Bodybuilders don't use biologically identical dosages (although I used 2 IU's a day....which is I believe .5 IU's away from the BID amount at my weight )
That's my $0.2
tread-mThe deepest studies actually show heart valave change in boddybuilders did not come from gear or HGH at all. They have been studying the reality and impact of heavy lifting. During very heavy lifts there is a stress put on the heart that can actually cause a valve to tweak into a harder abnormal shape during the rep. This over time is believed to change the shape of heart valves by where you have the back leaking mumurs tc etc. This is new so not much on it but there is a lot of science already behind it and given there realy is none of that for gear its all propoganda I tend to follow science.
Same with enlarged heart, the stress of the heavey hevay lifts is also thought to increase heart size "potentially".
Now maybe back to your point....does gear use increase someones desire to lift bigger therefore possibly having some indirect effect? Sure but that's like saying my car wrecked itself once when I was hammered.
No offence to you or your doc but docs also came up with a term "fibromyalgia". It may actually be a new disease of sorts but now docs that can't diagnos you have too big of a God complex to just say that so everyone now has fibromyalgia all of a sudden when docs don't have an answer.
Let's think about your situation. You have X number of misbeats per 100 beats. By using GH you then increase your natty test via axis positive feedback loop and the combination means you have an increased Heart rate. So now your heart beats more times per minute meaning more misbeats per minute. The reality is it only increased HR which by way of X number of misbeats increased misbeats. That does not mean GH increased your misbeats per "beat ratio". Still may have been 1 in a 100 misbeats you just have more beats now which is common with its use. The way to alter that is be in top top top physical condition as to cardiovascular conditioning. that could lower your resting and working heart rate and even if your misbeats per beat ratio remains the same, now we still have a lower number of misbeats per minute.
Food for thought and thanks for your input brother.
juice12345678I am up to date on ventricular hardening / athletes heart etc. but obviously the substances we use (myself included) certainly CAN increase those mutations.
We all have to be completely honest with ourselves....the reason there are no "Bodies" (as the famous quote goes....show me the bodies) is because most steroids are difficult to pinpoint as the CAUSE in the cause and affect of heart or health changes.
A good comparison is cigarettes. Were you inclined to get heart disease or lung cancer prior to its use or did it CAUSE the problem....and that's what cigarette companies hid behind for decades.
In terms of fibromyalgia....kind of neither here nor there....I get what you're saying but that's just discrediting doctors in general for not having the answer....
Do I know if my heart specialist and arythmia specialist have the answers? I like to think so....but you never know.
As per the misfires per 100 beats I again understand where you are coming from BUT can't agree with that....
Your resting heart rate is a measure of heart health....if your resting heart rate is raised (as you mentioned and in turn increases your palpitations) that is a cause for concern.
Homeostasis is the bodies goal....adding anything in a large amount can be hurtful
AAS give the user "More" in short bursts (then time off)....high dosages of test then a rest to find that homeostasis.
HGH however has very little off time (even at weekends off protocols)
It's something to consider
tread-mI like that you think about this its refreshing because many just hear and do. I'll agree with a bit of what you refer to above well quite a bit but I'd maybe disagree with cigarettes and often the propogandists will do their lil brain washing using such analogies. Ciggarettes have no benefit at all and really were not designed to duplicate anything healthy in the body etc. Its comparing apples and marsh rabies. Lol
As to hgh and time off and homeostasis. You don't need time off persay and homeostsis is attainable while using gh it just has to be done right such as adapt the body and all the loops to a certain "healthy" use protocol , eat right and plenty of cardio and homestasis will occur and at a better place than before . Such as 20/20 vision is not perfect its just our personal best genetically. Don't get off on that thougbh please I'm not an eye doc.
Goo dpoint to what I'm saying is we now know a higher degree of health is attainable with higher test levels. Such as we see higher rate of metabolism but not being too highat arou 1100 and the FDA's own standards have been changing and increasing over the yrs here with more and more trt health related evidence rolling in. This means there is a better place of health than what we ourselves can obtain genetically.
To the point above with heart rate ratio I was saying in your case for example. If during gh use you were eating proper and I mean "proper", increased cardio so that your heart rate is prone to come down to offset the increase that occurs with higher rate of balance in the axis hence higheer heart rate hence higher misbeats per minute via higher beats per minute you might find you misbeat issue is not any different than without hgh and might find the benefit of the gh is attainable for yourself without the negative. Now that's my though not necessarily my suggestion. Simply put since that sounds complex. You begin gh increasing hr by 15% then you do the necessary amount of cardio needed to decrease hr by 10%. We have a net hr increase of zero % now we can actually see the benefit or not whichever the case may be.
With anything we use we have to be conscious of the negatives and offset those. One might say AAS use increase prostate cancer. One might aslo say if you do the necessary prostate protections and add gh for cell replenishment we then decrease the chances of prostate cancer.
Point being,blanket terminology is sort of useless knowing it only applies to those that don't finish the action or thought. Meaning, if you use gh and have a pre-existing condition and do nothing to offset that action you may have negative effect. Also meaning if you use gh and have that condition and offset it with additional cardio you may have a positive effect. Often docs didn't take the time to either understand that or explain it or maybe they did take the time to understand it but they know people simply will not opt for healthier lifestyles and do the necessary work to offset the negatives so they in turn just don't recommend something that would actually benefit those using properly and those willing to help offset the negatives and make it a positive.
Hope that didn't confuse my thoughts even further though. Lol
Not discrediting doctors in general btw necessarily but I have seen many misdiagnosis to fibromyalgia and if you know very much about it, it takes 10's of thousands of dollars to treat and most find out they don't have it often being that a doc should have swallowed his/her pride and sent patients for a full work up with an endocrinologist as many of them simply had hormonal problems. So not in general but it has become a huge issue in medicine to where its "the new blanket term" when they can:t find the answers and just keep farming patients through the system collecting those dollaz...get a co-pay and move'em out is the new way of business. That of course is mostly the feds fault for making it so costly and difficult for docs to make a living. They have been forced to go to the farming method to keep up with restrictions and costs brought on by the gov in large part. The end result, mis-diagnosis very often meaning hogher and higher health care costs in the long run.
I assume my prostate has enlarged with age (almost 40) , prior to HGH I had to get up and urinate several times a night. After 6 weeks pinning 2iu in the morning 5/7 days I was only getting up a 3-4 times, The last two weeks I have been pinning another 2iu at night and now only awake once.
My question is at lower doses could it possibly be healing our prostates as well as our other organs?
Strange you mention that bro because my usual 3 times pr night pee pee trip has dropped to once only for the last 3/4 nights...... hmmmm interesting i shall log this further bro.
tread-mV- prostate hardening is from dht as you know. Dht is the coversion of test so the more test you use the higher probability of hardening the proste. The prostate according to Ed should feel soft and plyable to the tongue...I mean touch. In that place it is flexable and easily hold urine flow in. As it gets harder and less plyable its ability to hold urine back becomes more difficult.
So 2 things will occur with hgh use if you do it right. 1, you will use less test because you need less and that means less dht conversion and that means less dht hardening your prostate. 2, you have the ability to create new cells and that means all cells including prostate cells. This means there is a chance you heal to some degree a prostate hammered to death with high use of test for yrs. So as to your question the other day can hgh increase prostate cancer. No, in this scenerio you decreased your chance of prostate cancer and hyperplasia. Your 3 times a nigh is hylerplasia and though it can be temporary bouts of hyperplasia those can turn into irriversible hyperplasia which is another reason I've taken the time over our frinedship to get you to think hgh. I know you use high volumes of test and even if running propecia to offset the dht , you can't get it all. Don't think because you have your hair you are not vulnerable to prostate hardening from dht. They are 2 very different things and while you did jot get the gene from mokms side for balding , we all will eventually have hyperplasia its just how soon? Take your supps for prostate always and use less test as you use hgh and see the benefits including less prostate troubel if doing it right.
Keep it coming brother im soaking this info up like a sponge here lol... something else for you here bro...... the pump is hitting me real hard now, even after just my usual two warm up sets .. no matter which muscle i am working its deep real deep like high dose d/bol brings... painful but nice but that deep i have to take longer between sets to be able to put the power down before the pump hits again so heavy it makes me have to stop... is this normal and will it settle down?.... recovery is fast afterwards but when that fkn pump drills in its like the worlds worst toothache, i would say delts are taking it worst.
tread-mIt will settle brother yes, I on occassion still get it at random and yes, delts the most have to rub them a bit sometimes so full of blood. It all stabilizes though and as it does you will slowly find your sweet spots. Right now the extra balance in hormone is makikng your test so much more effective and that's a great deal of what's going on with you. Great pumps for sure then of course wait until you do have som dbal or var etc etc in the mix if you don't , boom!
Hi tread
> its great to see you 2 filling the threads again 
its like the old days lol I luv IT
tread-mHi pretty thing, yes its fun wish I had more of it just busier these days. Have to make the time here and there I miss it for sure. Miss you too only get to see you in passing busy yourself. I try to follow you and your progress as much as I can though sooooo happy for you 2 and so pround of all the work and seeing that smile in your words often as you talk about it all. I'm just trying to keep him in line mostly with you so busy...you know how he gets jacked up on all that damn HGH !!! Lmao
aah sorry tread I could have answered you earlier but it just took me nearly an hour to upload some pics lol > got to shoot now I have a client in half an hour lol no rest for the wicked so they say
p.s luvin my rips
yeah its running real slow today for some reason.... I just saw them they look ok babe.
juice12345678Tread-did you coin the idea / phrase
Positive / negative loop concerning HGH?
I've seen some of the write ups concerning balancing test and HGH and was wondering if you created the theory (not discrediting it....just asking)
It seems to be very observant.
I was wondering if you were in the medical field or just a guy reading up on stuff(which again can be very helpful)
juice12345678Again, I see what you're saying and I DO agree with a lot of your points.
1) Cigaretts were proclaimed to have "healing powers" , "put pep in your step" and help the user to "Relax" and most importantly "Look Cool"....haha But seriously they were
2) greater internal homeostasis through an outside substance is not natural but possibly effective
3) Our bodies are meant to slowly decline in performance / natural hormone replacement (I.E. decrease in test. / HGH production) and organ efficiency. The human body Cannot Support test levels that are constantly High.
We tell our young readers that AAS isn't necessary at 15 Y/O....because they produce enough Natural Test.
A doctor broke it down pretty simply for me:
Rocks and Water....
At first the water runs over the rocks and the stones are left unchanged.
Years later they show signs of wear from the constant barrage of water.
Eventually grooves are cut in to the stones forever changing them.
From what I understand....(I could be wrong) is that....
High levels of test at 15 y/o (natural or synthetic) do our organs no harm.
Constant high levels of test at 40 y/o seem to do damage to our aged organs
And constant high levels of test at 60 y/o seem to destroy our organs that no longer perform as they did at 15 y/o.
From what I understand he meant that you can't internally support High levels of Anything (i.e. test / HGH / cholesterol etc.) at a greater age because your body CAN'T support it....not natural and therefor there is NO homeostasis.
Again....
I can't truly say for HGH but I can't imagine it's much different?
I see time off in AAS being more helpful and less stressful on the body than constant multiple year use of HGH without time off
tread-mOk I'll tlouch on the aboce...not sure if I coijed the phrase yolu ask but think of this...it is the HPTAxis. What does an axos do? Balances. Now as to pos/neg feedback, that is actually what all hormone loops do in response to the bodies need. In a healthy young person most of them stay in neg mode being the hormones are running so efficiently. As things go wrong in health or with aging they can begin to go positive needing more of a hormone running less efficiently. Such as if T-3 is low the TSH level might elevate creating va positive feedback loop for the thyroid to make more T-4 and then convert to T-3 coming into balance and then the TSH would go back to a more neg loop status. All loops including the axis work in that way. Low on test, the axis may ask for more GH from the HP which in turn will increase test output . Same with igf-1 from the liver. If low the axis loop may determine it needs more test to prompt more GH and then create a higher level of conversion making more igf-1.
We have to be much more speckfic for this conversation because yolu or either right or wrong above IMO. I don't have all the answers by far but I love thinking and I love following the science. So if what you are asking by the term "high levels" means above 1500 at all times then yes, hard on the body. Such as water is the most healthy thing there is for the body and the leading ingredient for life but pound a gallon in under 2 minutes and it can actually kill you being toxic. Spread the gallon over a day and veeeery healthy every single day. That in fact is the number one health objjective of my every day, get at least one gallon of water down. So now let's think that the FDA recognition getting higher every decade for test in terms of free blood plasma levels . Now it is at 1100 I think it is. That is not high at all in terms of health and combined with just enough gh to give the proper balance meaning the 2 play hand in hand, very healthy. So we don't call that "high levels" we call that "perfect". Not much wrong with perfect.
Now , when you get right down to it there really is no "percfect". Let's be hinest, we're all born with a terminal illness and all carry 4 genes roughly that will in fact kill us.
Let's think about what it is ultimately that kills us. "Cell reproduction" or the lack there of eventually. Now that's provide we had pretty good health and eat right have proper homone levels control bp and weight offsetting a possible tyoe 2 diabetes etc etc etc. Think of what is occurring when you are young and year after year your skin looks better you get stronger you feel better and nice and slowly your body becomes this crazy efficient machine until around 18 it near peaks and is running on over drive. It is extremely strong burns all negatives up and absorbs positives like it can5 get enough etc. During this time we are producing more "new cells" than the body needs. Meaning for every dying cell or even free radical we have 2 new cells to take their place. As time goes on our body slowly produces less and less new cells until one day our terminal illness kicks in. It is the very day we had more cells die than new ones born. Now we begin to see "aging". Aging is when celss are growing old or breaking as it were becoming free radicals and we don't have enough cells to take their place and the body deteriorates. For some more rapid than others dependong on a million variables including simple geography.
Still, we have begun to age or die as it were in truth. So when we talk about tets/gh as "anti-aging" we do so because in combination we are not just making cells plump up a bit with test, we are now actually seeing "net gain" in cell production. We have not solved the ultimate 4 genes that have our terminal fate encoded on them but we have slowed that process down and even if our last day on earth is still going to be the same day, we had potentially a much higher quality of life.
So as to above, we have to have context of "healthy levels" and "high levels" to answer the questions you are asking and just based on known science and people such as myself who live like a 25 yr old still and do all the things I do as I watch the overwhelming majority of peope my age decline much faster, I think all things in moderation. The science is in for me though at least as to the initial and that is, cell production is where we seek our answers.
Think of this in our "cause and effect" discussion.....is it a mystery that most negative effects in human beings occurs about the time testosterone declines? I don't think so. As test begins to go down around 30 what first occurs? Well first thing is the positive negative feedback loop within the axis send message to the HP, we don't need as much GH. Second the body becomes less of an oven in terms of efficiently burning calories. We gain more BF that then breeds higher estrogen holding more water in the subC increasing blood pressure and now you have the perfect environment for higher free radicals and all of disease icluding cancers to occur.
So I ask you, thinking cause and effect....does it make sense to go back to the origin of that domino effect and try to correct the origin of that problem? We increase test and gh and we have what I and many others are. I still burn fat like a 25 yr old I run and have fun and never want to be sitting, on the go happy healthy and vibrant. I mkngle with th young because I have there energy and not those my age because they want to sit all the time! Lol....I'm just saying, look to all the facts and think deep about this. There are ways tl slow it down and healthy ways in fact but yes, in moderation as you suggest. I roll 365 test and gh only cycling up on occassion. I mostly have the nice range available for the body to be healthy and I also do all the known things to protect prostate and all the organs including liver with one thought in mind, I am only creating a higher qiality of life while I am here. Not looking to beat death because Ai understand nobody has ever done that.
As to time off.....time off if running high yes but my "time off" means I ran a higher cycle and came back down to healthy doses of test and gh for perfect balance in the axis meaning a feedback request to all other hormone loops to balance and homeostasis can occur with ease. This of course not eating pizza every week and staying highly active. For example, I bought a new couch about 8 yrs ago. I might have logged a combined total of one hour sit time on ikt since I bought it. I don't sit much meanijg I am not dying, I'm living and as long as I can do the things it takes daily to continue active and healthy I will do them. When you slow down time catches yolu quicker. It may not have given up on me but it damn sure packed food and drinks knowong to catch me will be a marathon and not a sprint! Lol
I love it tread! Your knowledge on HGH is incredible. I love actually learning something new. It seems more and more I read and research, less stuff I learn and more information begins to blend or repeat. I spend many hours researching and trying to learn more and more especially in the field of endocrinology because well as a steroid user I want to know everything about hormones, not just testosterone or hgh but the whole system.
Just about every heavy post you make the information is different. It no longer is a repeat or a blend, but a whole new set of information. Or maybe its the same information but in a different perspective that you bring out when you bring the info. For that I thank you Tread, I appreciate the time you spend explaining things like these so that others who are not professionals can learn and understand
tread-mMost of the negative experiences come down to use, or improper use or protocols.
A few examples would be;
Beginning use at too high of a dose. For men it comes down to negative or positive feedback loops beginning in the axis. As the body has become accustomed to your natural level of GH production hormone loops throughout the body have found their comfort zones via neg/pos feedback based on current conditions. When you change one hormone in the body it then changes all hormones some temporary some not.
So action = reaction and when you create an action it then has a reaction such as a better balance in the axis for males with gh. That itself then becomes an action and on to the next hormone creating a reaction etc etc.....
So here is the simplr point when you think about the above. "THE SMALLER THE ACTION THE SMALLER THE REACTION". What that means is if we cause too big of an "action" in the initial use of GH we then can cause too big of a "reaction" and the net effect of that is what we call "sides".
Those sides often cause one thing be it most types of gear or GH or some peptides etc. That is an initial gain of water. This is primarily a distortion by which you created so many "actions & reactions" that the cause and effect gave you an imbalance overall. Quite often first reaction there is going to be water retention.
From that place , water retention, remember our action reaction. Now we have to much water in our subcutaneous and the reaction to that can be 1 of 100 things including restricted blood flow meanin higher bp. The higher presuure or "restriction" to the blood then cause the heart to beat faster in order to get a higher volume of blood to the lungs and increase a decreasing blood oxygen and the net effect of all of that can be you feel bloaty, feel like hell, run down, tired, no energy and on and on. These things themselves have secondary reactions so its like a transfer of motion in space by where it can become perpetual if we don't back up and start over dojng things right.
So what is "right" and what would it potentially take to create a very good response for an individual with gh or many other oils or tabs in our world? Proper use by thinking proper introduction. Would you rather be hit in the head by 10 lbs via a brick all at once or by 10 lbs via feathers just one feather at a time until 10 lbs worth of feathers hit you? The feathers one at a time you'd never feel. So that's my thinking here. Don't take the brick or in this case 5 iu's ed day one or even 4 or 3 or 2.
Begion gh use with a half iu for a few days. Begin to let the body know change is coming . With this use you don't have that all at once action/reaction total chaos in the hormone loops.
You begin nice slow response in the body , plenty of time to adapt in a very healthy way. Then in a few days up it to 1 iu and on and on depending on GH goal. This will slowly ramp up all the hormone loop responses, allowing the body to respojnd properly and also allowing you to begin the benefit of its use through higher balance and through healthier balance.
As well, don't feel its a step back if side begin to occur and you need to back the dose down and allow a little more adaptation time at a specific dose. That is actually a step forward because you are heading off side beginning to occur. From there a few days at the lower dose then begin to staircase up again usually having accepted the hormone in a moe positive way.
A little side note, th positive/negative feedback a male would have with test use to shut down his natty test does not occur with GH. With proper GH use your natty GH will continue to pulse. If you are using test as well it will lilely continue to pulse normal or even elevated amounts trying to "balance" the test and GH in the axis. The one acception is maybe "time of use". Males produce most of our natty GH at night so if using your HGH say at bedtime, you can create a negative feedback in the axis sending signal to the pituitary, "we have plenty". This could lower your own natty production for that day.
As to sides in question, "most sides are user error". Proper use, proper ramping up of use and proper volumes as it pertains to your other hormone use will give most people who had bad experiences new good experiences.
Keep in mind, any drug can give negative sides if used improperly. Some use propely as well yes, but all will used improperly. Proper use for an individuals needs will make it much more likley you will have a good experience.
That pertains to aspirin, tylonol, antibiotics, test, tren,HGH...anything including flinstone gummies. (Do not mainline the gummies)
Good info. Everyone I see starts at 2iu but when I make my way there ill have to try this. +1...because this is awesome and to fuck with Vikings OCD about your karma
lol... i hate seeing you with odd numbers +3 = 1670.... the year you were born lmfaooooo
tread-mBrother we faught side beside in the war of 1812 and been inseperable ever since! Lmaooooo
sure did... CapN GURillla and his irish bareback lancer lmaooo
tread-mLMAOOOOOOOOOO YOU KNOW IT BROTHER!
I didn't know that! Good shit T! +3
As always very informative and matter of fact.
tread-mYup, natty GH keeps on keepin on its a beautiful thing brother, now if we could ony figure out how to get our test to do that! Lol
I usually hate to read long posts but I never a skip a post of yours. I actually followed the protocol you mentioned when starting GH. Started with 0.5IUs and took me a whole month to reach 2IUs. Can definitely attest to this method being the best for your body.
tread-mHaha, thanks brother and good for you. I aCtually do that staircase thing with almost anything I use just that slow introduction has always been my thought and the other reason, if I'm allergic to something I want to know at a low dose and not a whole dose.
We need to spread that wisdom, especially among the 20s crowd. This more = better mentality sickens me, honestly. You would be shocked at some cycles people are running, especially after you see how they look like. As I always say, Test + GH + Diet and you will achieve all your goals, promise!
tread-mNo question and as important though still diet, carb manipulation to goal is everything. Proper carb work with a little test and gh and its like running a nice size dose of tren. Also to my point that you simply do not need the mega doses of tren if you know your kitchen and carbs. This microscopic amount of tren knowing your carb work will look like 100 ed ace when it may be 50 eod.
That of course ios the point, most would ratgher increase the pin and deal with all the nasty sides than to have smooth cycles and do that oh so nasty carb work . I love my bread and cake but I know to have that tren look they have to go bye bye. Lol
Can you touch more on the carb manipulation also I sent you fr question about my meal plan
Is there a book that touches on this? or maybe a thread. im learning a lot right now but im craving more info
WithdrawlX2!!! I'm just learning this myself. Better late than never, lol.
All those compounds you tried listed under your profile, and I don't see Pharma HGH!!!!!!!!