posted Sun, 07/07/2013 - 06:26
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Stacking Test with Orals... Is it Always Necessary, Even For Women?
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So I know that it's always suggested that men stack orals such as dianabol with testosterone... but I was wondering if it was necessary for women too, or just men?
I guess what I'm asking is. What is the real reason that people suggest incorporating testosterone with other orals, instead of running oral-only cycles? Does it actually help you keep your gains better? Or is it just to prevent side-effects such as limp dick that occur from the shutdown of testosterone?
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men have to take test with orals because their natural testosterone production gets shut down, so it replaces it.
usually women will take orals such as anavar, winstrol, oral primobolan etc. then injectables such as nandrolone, primobolan, boldenone
testosterone has a very high chance of bringing androgenic sides and virilization/masculinization so be careful. all steroids do but specifically test. mostly all dose dependent
Check out the womans forums or better yet send a FR to hrdbdygrrrl she help you out with all you need to know about woman cycles.
It's a must for men to incorporate test with Orals because the Orals cause a shutdown of your natural test production. However in women it's not as big a deal. Lots of women take anavar and winny without testosterone. In men how would you gain muscle with testosterone shutdown. The test is a base in any cycle. It takes testosterone to gain and hold your gains which is why we pct to recover as quick as possible and not loose our gains. Sorry if I didn't help about the women part but that is all I know about women's cycles.
See I was under the impression that Anavar doesn't shut down your testosterone levels in the same way that other steroids do... at least I read this on one website, so I am not sure how accurate this information is.
So... one thing I'm still confused about. If men do not gain muscle with a lack of testosterone production, how do women gain muscle then?
Anavar still suppresses testosterone. U can still get gains off of Orals alone but not the gains u would get if testosterone was incorporated into your cycle. It would be almost impossible to keep any of your gains. Plus you would have to deal with the sides of low test such as depression, erectile dysfunction, being lethargic, and others. I'm not sure exactly how women get or keep gains but you can check in the ladies forum where u can get more helpful information.
Anavar still suppresses test production in men.
Men still gain with orals alone, but with shutdown testosterone production they will lose all the gains, so it's better to just stick with the test. Women don't need to worry about test, they can still gain without it. Sure higher test will give gains but anavar alone is still very anabolic
Do you (or anybody else) understand the science behind why though? I mean, if steroids shut down testosterone production in men it is only logical that it produces the same reaction in women. So why are women more prone to retaining their gains if their testosterone production just like it does for males? Does anybody know why?
women are more sensitive to androgens. So a woman can take 20mg of anavar and see significant gains. For men 20mg is pretty much worthless.
Men naturally carry more muscle mass due to testosterone, because a certain amount of testosterone is required for the muscles to maintain themselves, so when it get's shut down they lose muscle. This is why men to take anavar by itself would be pointless because they will get the anabolic effects of anavar but the loss of testosterone will result in more loss. The anavar muscle gains alone are less than the amount of muscle men can carry naturally with high testosterone levels.
Women's testosterone is so low anyways so adding steroids isn't going to significantly suppress their own test production.