+ 1 Everybodys Body is Different
Ok so a few weeks ago I posted my first cycle and ask for advice. Man I got blasted! I was told I was using to many compounds for a newbie, that I was probably gonna be shut down for life, and that my cycle pretty much sucked. I did however get some positive constructive advice. Thanks to my man roid noid. I'm still pretty new to this site and to chemical enhancement. What I am not new to is a clean diet and kick ass training. I have been in exemplary shape my entire life. A couple of guys told me I was crazy for using winny cause it was a BF% compound ect. I felt like everyone thought I just decided to start lifting then a month later juice. I'm in my mid 30's and Ive never done it cause I've never needed to. I've always been bigger, stronger, and faster than guys my age and size. After reading the feedback I got freaked out a little. I will admitt I DID NOT do the research I should have done before I cycled. I read about the specific compounds I was going to use and not much else. So within hours of posting I was contacting my family Dr. He is also an ex-football player like myself but also an avid power lifter. He brow beat me pretty good for not talking to him before I jump into it. After that he eased my mind. I was no where near shutting down for life or having any unbearable side affects. He did blood work and told me for what I had used and the amount of time I used them I was looking good. Also my gains have been amazing. I am very pleased I decided to cycle. I also have piece of mind now that doc is in the loop. I guess my point is you can post what your using, how long your using it, your stats, training exp. and so on and so on. Whatever advice you receive is from someone that has been there and done that (hopefully). They for the most part mean well BUT they are telling you what happened to them or what researching a certain compound or subject taught them. No one has any idea exactly how anything will work with or react to your unique genetic make up. Because everybody's body is indeed different. Nothing can substitute for first hand medical advice and testing from a doc you believe in and trust. I remember one dude posting "go do some research and come back and tell us what you learned. That will make the old timers respect you and know you care about what you put in your body." Thats paraphrased. My Dr. Has helped plan out PCT and also my next cycle. I have become very interested in AAS. I have been doing tons of reading and researching. It has become one of my main interest. But I will never substitute anything I read or something another AAS user says for an M.D.'s opinion. My second cycle will include tren ace. I know someone as new as me gets blasted around here for using that compound but again no ones knows how a persons body will respond to anything. My advice to anyone thinking of using AAS. Don't base decisions about using things that effect the chemical make up of your body on message boards. Or what a substance did to so and so. Seek advice from a trained medical professional. Have blood labs done. Keep your Dr. In the know of changes to your body. If you don't have health insurance or can't afford to go to the Dr. Then why in hell are you spending money on AAS in the first place. Unless of course your the guy that drives the Porsce ans lives in his moms basement.
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BigBmajYou know after thinking about this topic today I realized something.
Post a picture and then we will have a better idea of what makes sense.
You doc has the advantage of being able to see you, we don't have that option.
I know you have your heart set on your cycle and I don't expect to change your opinion. But lets see what you are working with. And when you are done show us the progress.
I applaud the doctor part.
Confused about, "He browbeat me pretty good for not talking to him before I jump into it."
Is he recommending cycle dosage? Using Tren? Or is he Just trying to prevent a train wreck because you are not following his advice?
I get that we are all different. But what I think what you are missing is that this is a long distance run, not a sprint.
AnonI do understand this is a marathon. Like I said in the first post. I didn't just pick up weight lifting and healthy living a few weeks ago. I've been living this way since high school. When I said he brow beat me......ect. It was meant as a joke. He's a friend of my family as well as our dr. I knew I could have discussed it with him openly. As he has some experience with AAS hisself. He's made a few recommendations on compounds, dosage, even diet and training. Using tren would not be his first choice for me I don't think but he is respecting my decision and willing to advise and monitor me as long as I run a reasonable dose. I am planning on trying different compounds among several other things for a period of time to see how my body responds to them. My upcoming cycle will be 100mg test prop, 50mg tren ace, and 75mg masteron prop. EOD. I will immediately discontinue the tren if I have the worst of the side affects I've heard of an read about. I'm really excited to get started. Also as far as the marathon metaphor is concerned. Some people have faster marathon times than others.
BigBmajAnd some people die before the finish line.
AnonIf they run the whole distance at a pace their body is not prepared for they certainly would But if they pick their spots to pick up the pace then know when it's time to pull back they almost certainly improve their time. I don't understand why just because I might be doing things different from the protocol or acceptable steroid use I'm labeled as reckless. Or an idiot or God knows what else. I made some errors in my first cycle. I do not make a habit of being reckless with my body. What I'm really asking myself at the moment is why am I trying to explain or justify my way of thinking to names on a computer screen. This site is a great source for information and sometimes conversation. It is not however a place to think outside the box or to want to try things the ''old timers'' wouldn't recommend. Look at some of the older publications and information on and about AAS. There are some many things, south advice that 10,15,20 years ago was the undeniable gospel truth. Now it's referred to as outdated. Or new research or the like has been added to it and improved upon it. Maybe I am just a yo-yo and I'll find out the hard way.
So, did your doc advise you to use tren on your second cycle? Lmao
AnonNope he didn't.
so you dont listen to the experienced people on forums. you don't listen to your doctor.... do you think that everyone else is wrong? or that you can write your own rules based on your own experience (or lack of)?
AnonMy my. We live in an age of affermation. Not information. As long as what a person is saying goes along with what is accepted by whomever as truth, all is well. If a Dr. helping a patient by giving medical advice is the coolest thing you have ever heard then you my friend should get out more. Thanks for the advice guys. I'm sure there will be alot more similar to what you just gave. It's just always been said that use of tren by inexperienced AAS users is bad. So it's accepted as an undeniable truth. Not because its based on scientific evidence and testing. Just because that's what ''they'' say. You said it best. Tren is the most powerful AAS on the planet. That makes me want to try it. My body responded to and has recovered from multiple compounds. I loved it. Other than a down mood for a few days I had no sides. I have so far kept enough of my gains to say I'm very very happy with the whole process. I have found so much very useful information on this site. I have also found that instead of positive reinforcement or a simple ''hope it works out. Let us know'' You are met with total indignation. If you suggest that something will work that people have always been told is bad or wrong. What you are saying, what you are basing your opinion on is anticdotal evidence! Everybody's body and it seems thier opinion as well is different.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI agree everyone's body is different. And it's awesome you have a doctor you can work that tightly with. The only thing I think that might be negative about jumping into Tren on your second cycle is do you really need it? I see a lot of guys jumping straight into higher milligram doses and more powerful steroids when their gains were great with less. I'm just saying the more you use, the more you'll likely need to achieve those great results on your next cycle. Just food for thought
If you didn't want to hear what people had to say then you shouldn't have included anything about the tren. You really thought that every single person here would say ''hope it works out. Let us know'' and give you positive reinforcement? Running tren your second cycle is stupid, you truly have no reason to do it except that it's strong, and you want to experience that. Maybe you're planning on competing one day. It seems to me that the risk is so much greater than the reward here. The title is Everybodys Body is Different. So what if it turns out you have an absolutely horrible reaction to tren?
The community here at eroids is comprised of people, not robots. People have opinions, and most will express them here.
And by the way good luck on your cycle if you are going to run it. I truly do wish you the best of health, but I thought that since you brought up running tren for your second cycle that it may have been up for discussion, or somebody here might have been able to sway your decision.
BigBmajI on the other hand, will very rarely take what an M.D. has to say very seriously. Most doctors have no clue about health. They have a rx pad and that's about it.
If doctors knew what they were talking about you would expect most of them to look healthy and have an exceptional life expectancy. And this is rarely the case.
But I do agree in that everyone is unique
"My Dr. Has helped plan out PCT and also my next cycle." Probably the coolest thing I've ever heard.
I'm glad you seem to be healthy and everything worked out alright. One thing I gotta say is that if your gains have been so amazing from that cycle, then why are you already wanting to add tren? If you want to experiment with new compounds why not try something a little more mild.
It's hard to believe that you're in your mid 30's and all of a sudden wanting to try the most intense AAS on the planet. Midlife crisis maybe? And does that mean that your doctor is helping you plan out a cycle with tren? For your second cycle ever? That seems pretty crazy.
3PUMPCHUMPYup everybody has different genetics but tren second cycle is idiotic. I have a dr very close to me but an md tag only means so much. Much of this site is harm reduction and most people here have no business taking teen EVER! If you are going to use it save it for later.
AnonI always remind myself that my body is plenty different from others. Most women who have taken var experience some nasty sides but lucky me I have not even using double the dose of these other women. Sounds like you got it all on track!! Doesn't it feel great?
AnonMy wife is an avid runner. She's in great shape, she's just not happy with her tone. She has a typical runners body. I have seen 'lady var' and mentioned it to her. Are there any other compounds that are good for women.
sick of seeing this "lady var" rubbish thrown about!...... let me make it crystal clear here and now to everyone.....
OXANDROLONE aka ANAVAR... is just that!.... there is no different formula that suddenly makes it "lady var"..... anavar is usually sold in 10mg tabs.. sometimes 50mg.... then when you know muta as good as io do you can get 100s specially made.... thats "MAN VAR" lmfaooo
Wont be long before i see somebody with "lady tren" or "lady A/bombs"....... i roll about in fits of fkn loud laughter...... VAR is 5 times more anabolic than TEST.. thats why women get such great results from it even at a "lady dose" of 5 or 10mg .............................. FYI ONLY.
That is a good point especially for people who are coming here now with all these new terminologies. My wife said when she saw that one day it would be simpler to say low dose and high dose oxandrolone to avoid confusion.
Somebody had to say it bro it might as well be me... we have a large female base now and i notice a lot of activity in the ladies forum about either running var already or wanting to start a cycle..... i dont want them being confused into thinking they are getting something a little bit weaker when "lady var" is mentioned..... even what i would class as a minute dose of 10mg WILL bring on virilisation effects without a doubt.... and for muscle gain properly a dose of something like what suze would useof 40/60mg ED will really let the ladies know about the power of AAS.... if you know what i mean (cough) downstairs department will look like a strangers lol
AnonI am uping my dose of var to 30mg starting on Sunday
Whoop Whoop!!
BigBmajThat's the point when it ceases to be "lady"var and becomes Anavar.
Go for it... thats what i like to hear, somebody who is not afraid to use a compound properly.... you just wait and see the difference that happens with that 30mg.... i bet the fisrt time you see veins bursting out your lower abdomen you go "shit" this is what i wanted.... i remember the first ever cycle suze did which was just var... we were on holiday and she was laid in the sun and said to me "holy shit look at this" she was staring at her abdomen with big veins popping like they were gonna burst lol..... she loved it and thats when she made her mind up to go hardcore and take it to the extreme like you see today.... makes me giggle when i look at some of the guys cycles in here now... jesus!.. if they only knew what type of stacks she was running these days they would run and hide lmaooo
See now you got me all excited about starting my run! I already have veins in my upper body.... combined with the diet I've been hitting for the last three weeks and the HGH.. I can't freaking wait! When I see those little veinies coming through the abdomen area and I'm sure that won't talk long, cause the belly is good and tight now.. you will be the first to hear my praises..
Good stuff... just roll with it and dont let your head start talkin shit to you... a lot of people panic for no reason when jumping on a cycle because they start "listenening " to their bodies to deeply and start to imagine bad things are going on.. lol when really its just the body adapting to the compounds we slam into it...... if my memory serves me right i think you have used var before.. right?..... get excited when you veins on your shins and places like the gastroc were they snake about like they are alive lol.... fk me im gettin excited here just thinking about it.... i like to be fully veined up even when relaxed ... thats the ultimate sign of conditioning imo.
*Yes sir.. second run! First one was just a let's see what this is all about.. This one's a let's get this phucking shit ON! I know what to expect, have the diet on point.. every two hours... It's funny you go from forcing yourself to eat to your body.. sayin hey it's time to eat.. and it dead on time. I have two things of water in front of me right now.. I got the tea today and I will be putting those in some water tonight.. I can't wait.. you are right about the veins... The first time I saw mine was doing some squats and I knew I was finally getting somewhere..
lol... i can mentally picture whats in front of you... just the same in front of me right now lol.... yep body screams like a new baby for feeding every couple of hours.... i can tell the time with my guy with the little pains it sends me when its grub time... you know you are in control and winning the game when eating comes easy.
When out and about we have the six meal seperated cooler bags... they are fabntastic they prob sell them near you but if not i can give a link so you have a look .... they make it easier than a million tupperware boxes thrown in the back seat lol
http://www.extremenutrition.co.uk/gb/16-six-pack-bags
Anon.