posted Fri, 06/14/2013 - 20:42
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+ 4 How much HGH is required to GET BIG
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With insulin of course (I still don't understand why anyone would run hgh without slin)
what would be the lowest amount you can run and still get big results?
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Interesting. Well I know lbm isn't purely muscle. But If you think about it, when your bones, connective tissue, and everything else get bigger then it's easier to put more muscle mass on. So if HGH increases bone thickness, connective tissue and other cartilage then the anabolics will have more opportunity to pile on muscle mass with the insulin as well.
Just my thoughts at least.
I 100% agree with you on this . These are the main reasons I started running growth.
shirlsguyOkay, a bit off topic, but still HGH.... am I correct that most will stand up to a month in room temp before degrading? Just wanted to get the question out there as seems the HGH experienced people are here.
ON topic, I will ask, I read from some that they use 1iu per 10kg body weight as dosing.... that seems so much. Most the regular users seem to agree with Withdrawl below at 4iu. Anyone know how the difference affects?
Depends what form of HGH. Some pharma HGH are prefilled pens, those should always be kept in fridge, they're already mixed. They would last 3 weeks outside fridge (or so says my Norditropin package). Hyges/Rips etc.. (dried freeze powders) do last a while like 28 days (rough number pulled out of somebodys ass) outside fridge.
Never heard 1iu per 10kg. What's the source of this? And for what purpose was that dose recommended?
Most people I know, run around 2-4IU of pharma HGH. I know only two mass monsters running 7-8IUs.
shirlsguyYes, it was the mass monster crowd that put that number out there... couple of them, but 2-4 seems the more constant. I'm quite a ways from HGH, but an overseas buddy wants me to check out a kit... but we have figured about three weeks to get to me and in the summer months. Neither of us knows if it's any good, but you know how it goes.... bunch of it if it is... yadayadayada. I'm always forward thinking and ticking numbers... at 10iu's per day, I'm with j223... need two dentists and their assistants.
Thanks for the responses, more curiosity. Just 'cause it comes free does not mean it is right for me, eh? And NO, my buddy does not sell, we're both shit scared of that option, we just like the thought of getting big.
Im quite biased regarding injecting chinese crap into my body, even if it were free. Pharma HGH at 2ius ED, very affordable and quite superior IMO.
shirlsguyYeah, that is what we have been debating... pretty sure it was Chinese HGH as caused all the commotion around here just several weeks back and to a VERY reputable source. I'm thinking of giving it a pass, even a crash test dummy has limits.
lol if thats what it takes to be a mass monster I think I'm gonna try and marry a dentist or something lol. I need a rich wife!!!
Withdrawl4iu with a little slin is making a HUGE difference for me and I haven't even begun to see the hyperplasia effects. Whoever says HGH takes months to start producing effects either hasn't used it or has used really shitty HGH. It immediately helps with recover and fat loss. Right from week 1 I noticed a difference. I'm just over a month in and I look so much bigger. I just bumped it up to 6iu but the side effects got rough so I'm down to 5iu. I was seeing great results at 4iu so I think that would be good. If you can afford more then go for it.
Second day of my PCT, my bro is on the same schedule. We both have been using HGH (kefei) for the last five weeks, only starting nord pens today, now I don't know that it is even possible but we lifted strong as hell today. And we both feel pretty good.
right on!! is kefei pretty affordable?
You're 34 and he's 23 the age difference makes a huge difference in how u will respond
Unless u're at a very advanced level, I would use HGH for all benefits except muscle building. AAS can take care of that for now
Not sure what you mean by advanced, but I'm only looking to use hgh for the muscle building and fatloss effects.
I currently weigh about 220-225 at 12% BF. I'm happy with my bodyfat but I would like to gain more mass. I'm trying to be at least 250 lbs at same bodyfat or lower. I suppose that's pretty advanced.
My plan is to save up some money because from what I hear 4-6iu is the way to go for muscle building effects.
I will be using along with anabolics test/eq/deca etc and insulin for maximum growth. I use anabolics anyways so I wanted to ADD this to my current routine.
shirlsguyF*&^kin' 'ell! You're 100kg???? I have looked your EBC pics enough to know you're one ripped builder, but never realized you were so big! I'll be running the same base cycle as you, but those carbs you take.... I just noticed now that you take insulin.... how do you keep the advantage? Keep in touch, 'cause it looks like you and I are on the same path these next 12-weeks. Cheers. +1 for hiding just how big you really are with awesome straitions!
Sounds good mayne! Carbs are extremely important my friend. With tren you will not store carbs as fat. The tren will increase glycogen retention, push the carbs into your muscles and burn off excess carbs as heat! That's why people can stay lean on tren!
Like I said earlier, yes I stay lean even with slin because I use hgh peptides and I'm just an all around lean person not to mention the tren helps keep me lean. But yea I'll keep in touch bro
shirlsguyJust a DOUBLE up on the request, I'll make sure the FR is in place, but I am a bit spooked at that many carbs... although I do love my granola and yogurt... e-z carbs and cals. I absolutely cannot stand to get like last December!!!!! I'm up 10-lbs on this new change of cycle and not an inch on the gut, so cool to date... but I just cannot stand to get fat again. As it is, I have five inches to shave off the mid-line, but I do believe I have proven I can do it. Got a whole cut cycle just waiting for New Years, going to show the real me shortly. Going to make sure the FR is there (I think it already is) and exchange some hard core notes. Cheers.
Lol I was 188 in the ebc pics. I weigh 221 now.
I plan on bulking next 6 months. Trying to see how big I can get!!! Trying to get on another level haha.
Thanks bud
I'm running 6iu right now Bro. I'm going to stay at that unless the sides get to much to handle . You are more than " Advanced" enough to run G.H. for muscle growth. Not only Muscle growth but just plain cell growth in general. To me its always been a matter of cash and never how many cycles I had under my belt . Although I have more than an average aas user. Not that's a good thing. I have built my body up and lost all my gains more than once do to Health and personal issues. If you have chosen BB as a lifestyle and this is something your in for the long haul . Run it as high as you can afford. Im sure ill get down voted for saying it but its the truth . Hyperplasia will not come from 2 and 3 ius .... It's just not gonna happen. There are bad sides that come with Hyperplasia as well , one being increased pressure on your internal organs. It's just something you have to weigh in your own mind whether its worth it.
What I meant was, given all the info u just wrote, I personally think that the muscle building effects and results u would get from adding GH at 4-6IU will be negligible compared to the muscle building resulting from the AAS + slin. So basically the relatively big amount of money u are spending extra on HGH (to go from 3IU to 6IU) is not worth the benefits at all.
Hope this makes sense now
thanks bro!!! I'm glad to hear actually. I guess I can hold off with the hgh I'm still young and produce plenty naturally anyways.
I will try to maximize my results without the GH for now and see where it takes me then when I'm older and topped on steroid gains I'll look into hgh.
thanks for the advice +1
I agree with what dak979 says bro, at our age gh is not worth it unless you're going to run it at a minimum of 8iu. I would not run slin without it though, the gh counteracts the fat gain u get from slin so running it with aas alone is a pretty bad idea, unless u don't mind getting fat of course lol
Getting fat on slin is not really unavoidable.. Timing and knowing how much carbs to eat are the deciding factors here
True but you'd have to get it exactly right if u were going to run it alone, it's not that easy
I been doing really well without. I use hgh peptides though.
With a good dose of tren and a properly timed planned diet it's pretty easy. Not to mention I'm a hard gainer in the first place with a ridiculously fast metabolism.
I am able to keep fat at 12% even while on slin. If fat goes up I'll just do a 2 week blast of clen and cardio and it will drop a couple percent anyways.
How much slin do u use every day?
I was using humalog 3x a day.
Just recently switched to novalin R. I started at 6iu 2x a day and worked my way up the dosages. Currently doing 14-18iu 2x a day now.
To anyone reading this, I highly recommend not using high dosages like this. Hope I don't get slammed for posting insulin dosage. I have been experimenting with slin for many months now on and off and worked my way up to these dosages.
That is hardly a high dosage, and u probably won't get any muscle gain from it either, quicker recovery and some intense pumps but that's all. Probably why u aren't getting any fat gain either.
Exactly. I'm holding off on higher dosage until I start my deca cycle. It's easier to keep the fat off while on cycle.
Next cycle will be Sustanon 900mg/500mg deca/600mg EQ. What do you recommend my dosage for slin?
I was thinking 20iu novalin 2x a day then 16iu Humalog in the evening
We can talk about it in pm, definitely not something i want inexperienced ppl trying
Either I forgot everything I know about slin, or u 2 are out of ur freakin minds with those dosages!!!! The largest person i know takes 10IU twice a day and thats it!!!!!
If u understand what slin does, which u seem to, then u know you'd want to use it with EVERY meal, aside from the igf spike slin causes it is a nutrient partitioner/shuttler so yeah using it before each meal would obviously benefit u more then twice randomly a day. Slin will make ur body utilize the food u eat mich more then it would without it. So lets say u eat 100g carbs and you're body only processes 50g of it (made up numbers) with slin you'd get the full 100g carbs
There's a lot of variables. The brand and type of insulin matter too.
Like I said earlier 15iu 2x a day and I'm seeing good gains.
But yea some diabetics that take well over 500iu per day!!! Dosages are so different for individuals. It's all about knowing your base BG levels and how your body responds to carbs and how low each unit of slin brings down you BG readings. Timing is huge too. Some people naturally have high BG in evenings or middle of day etc.
Like I said I have worked my way up to those dosages. I never let myself get close to hypo or my dosage is too high. With humalog it's so fast acting and short duration that it really depends on what you eat usually don't need as high dosage with Log. With the slower acting it's all different. Also insulin sensitivity plays a big role in this as well. Again multiple variables and everyone responds different.
Yeah humalog is what I was talking about, morning and post workout. Not familiar with long acting one! Will research if I ever get involved one day!
This Much?
http://www.eroids.com/pics/even-my-mini-fridge-is-growing
Muscleg33kSlin is too dangerous.. no thanks
I agree, I do not advise anyone use it if they are not experienced and don't know what they are doing.
Yeah im reading this post like wtf, slin help that much...
Just started using hgh, 2 ius ed. going to 4iu ed when i have more money. Is it just me or damn does gh just make u feel better. I feel like im 16yrs old again, just smiling all the time.
back to what i was saying, I would like to use slin, one day, when i know what im doing. Does slin with gh, just get u more ripped? I heard it burns fat, then i see someone saying no I gained fat from slin. So im confused.
Just gonna stay with 2 ius ed, and be happy!!!!
Slin does NOT cause fatloss. It can stop the fatburning process actually. You must understand what insulin is and how it works WAY before ever even thinking of using it. If you use it improperly a single injection can kill you.
Insulin is a hormone that's job is to lower the levels of glucose in your blood. It does this by taking glucose from your bloodstream and liver and shuttles it elsewhere. It will push the glucose as well as other nutrients (water, amino acids, etc) into muscle cells. This is very anabolic because it brings the nutrients directly to the muscle. It also stores excess glycogen which is very anti catabolic. But when there is excess fat and glucose in your bloodstream, the excess nutrients get shuttles into fat cells where it is stored. Keep in mind insulin's job is to lower overall blood glucose levels. So it effectively brings fat/protein/carbs to your muscle and fat cells thus lowering the amount of glucose in your blood stream. It's a very complex process. Each nutrient can convert. Glucose can easily convert into fat, glucose comes from carbs. Human Growth hormone can play a role on the amount of nutrients that get converted. Potentially lowering the rate of protein conversion to glucose which means the proteins we eat stay as aminos which is what we want because amino acids are what used to construct muscle as well as glucose.
Anyways bottom line unless you plan on being a mass monster and are dosing HGH high, I would not recommend insulin. You will not "burn fat" from insulin.
Good advice!
Unless you are a pro and under doctor supervision, I wouldn't even consider slin an option. I asked one of my paramedic friends about slin and he said unless you are required to take it, stay away from it. To many of his calls are from diabetics who require it yet still mess up and damn near kill themselves because of it
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AnonI read 4-6ius to get muscle building really going on probably more like 5-6 and higher if wanting even better results
thanks that's what I was advised. I'll try to see if I can work some overtime to have a little extra $$ aha
AnonRight on
If your looking for Hyperplasia I would run it as high as you can afford. I'm sure there is other opinions. This is mine.