To the OP, your cycle is horrible, way to many things going on here and a serious lack of understanding how to incorporate compounds in a cycle. you gotten some good advice down there and some well im not sure advice. It sounds like you have only ran the test and winny thus far and if thats the case then your OK. winstrol is not a really strong compound but it is a BF% compound, anything above 12% is generally a waste of money. it is also a DHT as well as test, meaning it will make your hair fallout if you have male pattern baldness in your genes. most people run it for no more then 6 weeks, your running it as a oral and I believe it is also liver toxic, not as bad as others but nevertheless you should know. we never run orals for more then 4 weeks without liver support really a good practice and we never run more then one new compound at a time. this being your first cycle i would drop the winny now and just continue on to week 12 with the sust. we generally dont do the ramping of mg's either it is out dated, just run them at the same dose. maybe once you have 15 cycle and many years of experience then you look to run cycles with ramps and multiple compounds but you need to experience them one at a time. So put up the rest of the stuff you got and buy some clomid and nolva, you need enough for 4 weeks of PCT. clomid is 100mg/d for 2weeks and then 50mg/d for 2 weeks, nolva is 40mg/d for 2 weeks and then 20mg/d for 2 weeks. start your PCT I believe its like 18 days after last sust shot as it has a deconate ester in it and takes a little while to clear the body. also throw those test boosters away they are not good for PCT.
Thanks my man. You gave me what I was looking for. Also appreciate everyone else's help. I'm gonna get together my pct and 18 days after my last pin I will start. I feel good though. My gains have been good and my strength is better than ever. Hit you back soon with results
OMG not Test and Winny!!!!!!!(sarcasm) Anyway, cut your cycle off at 12 weeks and quit throwing shit in there. That's what the following cycles are for. You don't want to use up your arsenal of drugs so quickly. Get some nolva and clomid and run proper PCT schedule. Stay off for 16 weeks, get some bloods done. If all good, hop back on. Welcome to cycling.
I'm 29. 6ft. between 210-220 as of right now I'm 211. Not sure about body fat % but it's not high. I've never had a lot of body fat. The past couple of years it's been harder to keep it off. I'm almost out of sust. I'm trying to locate nolva or clomid. From what I've read about Mast. I understand it increases libido ect. like proviron. could I drop the EQ and in a week or two when the sust is gone low dose the mast. and start my PCT when the sust is out of my system. My reasoning behind EQ and mast was the hardening and increased vascularity I would gain. I'm pretty cut now I just wanted to see how far I could take it. As far as my gains I don't max. I opt for functional strength not size. before cycle I could bench 155 33x I can now do 185 37x or 41x with a couple of pauses. Like I said sust is almost gone. What should I do assuming I cant find more or some other test. Thanks.
First of all I would stop everything and run a good pct and hope you haven't screwed your body up.. Next research and plan your cycle ask questions here we will help .. But never never run your cycle with out having everything you need for the whole cycle!!
why would you say stop cycle right now? hes ran test and winny so far from what i can tell, yeah he should have ran only test but just because theres winny in there you think he screwed his body up? why?
look at his dosages and the coumpounds he is running. look at what he was going to run as his pct., test boosters?? what I was trying to say was he is not prepared to run a cycle and there is not a chance in hell he will recover right with his pct he plans on running. I am trying to let him know that aas are not something to mess with unless you are properly prepared. this is my 2 cents at least.
so stopping with out anything for PCT is better advice? doesnt make much sense to me. explain to him what he needs to do dont get him in a another wreck. no worries we all learn here.
We can't assume these things.. I've actually ran into tons of guys who come on here mid cycle with no idea what a PCT is or AI's.. I know it seems unreal that people go that far without annnny research
I love test and Winny....but as noid posted it is dependent on bf to see good things happen. Winny will unbind test and gives a great pump and energy boost. Winny turns me from hyper to no sleep at all though. Lol!
But the above advice from noid is of course perfect. Pct is key to maintaining.
i am being honest and not a ass whole but this is a horrilbe cycle should have just ran one compound just test so if you are set on continuing this cycle just keep the sust and forget everything else. You really need to do research you are putting this shit in your body and you have no idea what you are doing
At this point you have already jacked your cycle up. But it is not all a loss. I would keep your 375 going until week 12. Then do a standard Clomid / Nolva pct two weeks later. Above all else I would get blood labs drawn at the end of your cycle and after PCT. Then I would take 4 months off and plan a better cycle using the research you have done. Notice I have not given you specific doses on your PCT cause I want you to research. When you have done your research your questions are different and it shows the vets that you care about your body and take responsibility for what happens to it. I am not trying to come off as an asshole I am actually giving you a gentle nudge in the right direction. Look through the forums and read everything you can on PCT and cycles. Then post a proposed cycle on the boards and you will be surprised at how much help you receive.
Your cycle above is all over the place and you will waste a ton of money for zero gains and possibly hurt yourself. So consider my advise bud and be safe OK.
.. You need nolva and clomid for PCT.. I feel like you're just throwing random chemicals in and assuming it will work.. that cycle is all over the place and you won't get the best results from it
simple test cycle would be fine imo.. and yeah give us your stats
Apart from this being your first cycle, and completely destroying your body and making it cry on the inside, as well as possibly being shut down for life, it's not all bad.
Onto the advice part: Age, weight, height? Bf%, if possible? You should end your cycle at week 12, with just sustanon. Start aromasin at week 14, and use 25mg a day for however long you can..... You'll feel like crap, but you don't have a SERM (PCT)...
Week 14-18 also take "D-Pol," that's D-"P"ol. It's an OTC test booster, and by far the strongest. Also, if you can afford it, purchase "Erase Pro." If you still have money left over, purchase Animal Stak and buy two tubs of it, and run it with D-Pol.
I would not take ANY MORE STEROIDS THAN YOU ALREADY HAVE... End your cycle at week 12, forget the other compounds.. Equipoise does not do ANYTHING unless if you run it for at the least 16 weeks.... ANYTHING... Masteron? You don't need that for a first cycle, hell you don't need Winstrol, or any oral either...
Again, stop your cycle at week 12 with just sust, and continue with what I said weeks 14-18... If you can, find some Clomiphene Citrate and Tamoxifen Citrate.. Clomid, and Nolvadex, respectively.
I havent been in here for awhile now, when did we start taking test boosters during PCT? doesnt that defeat the purpose of trying to get your body to start producing its own test?
Look into them bro there great.
Theres loads of studys on otc test boosters that show a increase in test levels/growth hormone levels while on them and when off showing no suppression on normal levels at all.this is great for keeping gains during pct and can give you a helping hand raising them back to normal levels great for working along side pct compounds.
random/off topic try alpha lipoic acid for liver support studys back that up to for being a great toxing flusher liver/kidney protector unlike milk thistle..
I hardly memorize stuff anymore and dont do much research as ive got other things going on in my life but i have in the past read tons of very informative posts on why not to run test boosters for PCT. Based on those posts I know what to do and what not to do and I personally could NEVER co-sign test boosters for PCT. If you believe this then open a thread in general talk or in PCT section and get a debate going before you post this as advice in the steroid section.
eq is not worth 7 or 8 weeks. needs longer length of time to get anything out of it
To the OP, your cycle is horrible, way to many things going on here and a serious lack of understanding how to incorporate compounds in a cycle. you gotten some good advice down there and some well im not sure advice. It sounds like you have only ran the test and winny thus far and if thats the case then your OK. winstrol is not a really strong compound but it is a BF% compound, anything above 12% is generally a waste of money. it is also a DHT as well as test, meaning it will make your hair fallout if you have male pattern baldness in your genes. most people run it for no more then 6 weeks, your running it as a oral and I believe it is also liver toxic, not as bad as others but nevertheless you should know. we never run orals for more then 4 weeks without liver support really a good practice and we never run more then one new compound at a time. this being your first cycle i would drop the winny now and just continue on to week 12 with the sust. we generally dont do the ramping of mg's either it is out dated, just run them at the same dose. maybe once you have 15 cycle and many years of experience then you look to run cycles with ramps and multiple compounds but you need to experience them one at a time. So put up the rest of the stuff you got and buy some clomid and nolva, you need enough for 4 weeks of PCT. clomid is 100mg/d for 2weeks and then 50mg/d for 2 weeks, nolva is 40mg/d for 2 weeks and then 20mg/d for 2 weeks. start your PCT I believe its like 18 days after last sust shot as it has a deconate ester in it and takes a little while to clear the body. also throw those test boosters away they are not good for PCT.
Anon.
Whats up!............. i hate seeing edited posts it makes me suspicious :/
AnonOf what?
AnonThanks my man. You gave me what I was looking for. Also appreciate everyone else's help. I'm gonna get together my pct and 18 days after my last pin I will start. I feel good though. My gains have been good and my strength is better than ever. Hit you back soon with results
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkOMG not Test and Winny!!!!!!!(sarcasm) Anyway, cut your cycle off at 12 weeks and quit throwing shit in there. That's what the following cycles are for. You don't want to use up your arsenal of drugs so quickly. Get some nolva and clomid and run proper PCT schedule. Stay off for 16 weeks, get some bloods done. If all good, hop back on. Welcome to cycling.
(In the future, research like hell!)
AnonI'm 29. 6ft. between 210-220 as of right now I'm 211. Not sure about body fat % but it's not high. I've never had a lot of body fat. The past couple of years it's been harder to keep it off. I'm almost out of sust. I'm trying to locate nolva or clomid. From what I've read about Mast. I understand it increases libido ect. like proviron. could I drop the EQ and in a week or two when the sust is gone low dose the mast. and start my PCT when the sust is out of my system. My reasoning behind EQ and mast was the hardening and increased vascularity I would gain. I'm pretty cut now I just wanted to see how far I could take it. As far as my gains I don't max. I opt for functional strength not size. before cycle I could bench 155 33x I can now do 185 37x or 41x with a couple of pauses. Like I said sust is almost gone. What should I do assuming I cant find more or some other test. Thanks.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkcarguy78First of all I would stop everything and run a good pct and hope you haven't screwed your body up.. Next research and plan your cycle ask questions here we will help .. But never never run your cycle with out having everything you need for the whole cycle!!
why would you say stop cycle right now? hes ran test and winny so far from what i can tell, yeah he should have ran only test but just because theres winny in there you think he screwed his body up? why?
carguy78look at his dosages and the coumpounds he is running. look at what he was going to run as his pct., test boosters?? what I was trying to say was he is not prepared to run a cycle and there is not a chance in hell he will recover right with his pct he plans on running. I am trying to let him know that aas are not something to mess with unless you are properly prepared. this is my 2 cents at least.
so stopping with out anything for PCT is better advice? doesnt make much sense to me. explain to him what he needs to do dont get him in a another wreck. no worries we all learn here.
carguy78Well roid that was my bad I just assumed he would know about proper pct? But your right
We can't assume these things.. I've actually ran into tons of guys who come on here mid cycle with no idea what a PCT is or AI's.. I know it seems unreal that people go that far without annnny research
RustyhookerI love test and Winny....but as noid posted it is dependent on bf to see good things happen. Winny will unbind test and gives a great pump and energy boost. Winny turns me from hyper to no sleep at all though. Lol!
But the above advice from noid is of course perfect. Pct is key to maintaining.
i am being honest and not a ass whole but this is a horrilbe cycle should have just ran one compound just test so if you are set on continuing this cycle just keep the sust and forget everything else. You really need to do research you are putting this shit in your body and you have no idea what you are doing
First I would read this:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/how-to-run-a-cycle
At this point you have already jacked your cycle up. But it is not all a loss. I would keep your 375 going until week 12. Then do a standard Clomid / Nolva pct two weeks later. Above all else I would get blood labs drawn at the end of your cycle and after PCT. Then I would take 4 months off and plan a better cycle using the research you have done. Notice I have not given you specific doses on your PCT cause I want you to research. When you have done your research your questions are different and it shows the vets that you care about your body and take responsibility for what happens to it. I am not trying to come off as an asshole I am actually giving you a gentle nudge in the right direction. Look through the forums and read everything you can on PCT and cycles. Then post a proposed cycle on the boards and you will be surprised at how much help you receive.
Your cycle above is all over the place and you will waste a ton of money for zero gains and possibly hurt yourself. So consider my advise bud and be safe OK.
.. You need nolva and clomid for PCT.. I feel like you're just throwing random chemicals in and assuming it will work.. that cycle is all over the place and you won't get the best results from it
simple test cycle would be fine imo.. and yeah give us your stats
Apart from this being your first cycle, and completely destroying your body and making it cry on the inside, as well as possibly being shut down for life, it's not all bad.
Onto the advice part: Age, weight, height? Bf%, if possible? You should end your cycle at week 12, with just sustanon. Start aromasin at week 14, and use 25mg a day for however long you can..... You'll feel like crap, but you don't have a SERM (PCT)...
Week 14-18 also take "D-Pol," that's D-"P"ol. It's an OTC test booster, and by far the strongest. Also, if you can afford it, purchase "Erase Pro." If you still have money left over, purchase Animal Stak and buy two tubs of it, and run it with D-Pol.
I would not take ANY MORE STEROIDS THAN YOU ALREADY HAVE... End your cycle at week 12, forget the other compounds.. Equipoise does not do ANYTHING unless if you run it for at the least 16 weeks.... ANYTHING... Masteron? You don't need that for a first cycle, hell you don't need Winstrol, or any oral either...
Again, stop your cycle at week 12 with just sust, and continue with what I said weeks 14-18... If you can, find some Clomiphene Citrate and Tamoxifen Citrate.. Clomid, and Nolvadex, respectively.
I havent been in here for awhile now, when did we start taking test boosters during PCT? doesnt that defeat the purpose of trying to get your body to start producing its own test?
Look into them bro there great.
Theres loads of studys on otc test boosters that show a increase in test levels/growth hormone levels while on them and when off showing no suppression on normal levels at all.this is great for keeping gains during pct and can give you a helping hand raising them back to normal levels great for working along side pct compounds.
random/off topic try alpha lipoic acid for liver support studys back that up to for being a great toxing flusher liver/kidney protector unlike milk thistle..
I hardly memorize stuff anymore and dont do much research as ive got other things going on in my life but i have in the past read tons of very informative posts on why not to run test boosters for PCT. Based on those posts I know what to do and what not to do and I personally could NEVER co-sign test boosters for PCT. If you believe this then open a thread in general talk or in PCT section and get a debate going before you post this as advice in the steroid section.
i find the topic interesting, i ll start one
carguy78age and stats?