+ 1 Another DNP death
I don't think this was already posted, but if so I apologize.
Here's the article on a girl that died just last month from a DNP overdose. The thing to note is that the girl was already anorexic and bulimic, not to mention on antidepressants. Needless to say, she was obsessed with weight loss. As I've said before, i don't speak ill of the dead. And I'm not one to judge without knowing the circumstances that led to a persons actions. Having said that, there's a reason why when a newb asks about DNP, there's always a vet who might jump at you and give you shit. They might be saving your life.
Having said THAT, and to play devils advocate, there's also plenty of folk who have run plenty of safe cycles/doses of dnp with great results. Either way, it is always sad to read when something like this happens.
Another thing to note from this article, if I'm reading this right, is that the company who sold the dnp can't successfully be sued because dnp is legal to sell as a fertilizer? Is this true in the U.S. as well?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/death-of-medical-student-...
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so whats the lethal dose of DNP
I believe the lethal dose is some crazy number like 4000mg.
But the accumulation is what gets ya it builds up faster than it is being consumed unless a person takes it every 3-4 days. So 500/day will build to well over 1000 over time if taken daily.
Overheating and dehydration is more of a concern though.
I don't understand why people go crazy with this stuff, a single 200mg/day for 1 month is much safer and almost unnoticeable but people are impatient and take stupid doses like 600mg per day or more.
BigBmajLD50 is 32 mg/kg. Or something along those lines.
?? bro, you're saying a 95kg (185lbs) person x 32mg= 2,960mg/d... that does sound crazy.
All good bro
How come no one ever posts deaths from caffeine, ephedrine, or T3?
or death by Hickey?
Big, I'm not going to speculate on G's motives. But I have noticed in real life there's religious people who like to push their beliefs on others with the sneaky use of "I'll pray for you" as a total put down.
Just the other day a coworker was telling us he wanted to marry his Asian girlfriend and this known religious bigot at work said "Well, I'll pray for you" rolled his eyes and walked away.
Religion is divisive and takes us away from facts and science.
My purpose was to punctuate hating the substance v. hating the person.
Angus opening premise was, "Haters are gonna hate..." He was not differentiating and assumed people were hating him. IMO, his whole argument was an attack on those who disagreed with his position.
The use of the word prayer was in the form of a plea, as in, I pray for you to be careful, NOT AS: I pray to god to save you.
It was clear that he was grasping at anything to distract from, and end the conversation.
It's cool bro. Cheers for clarifying
angusI was gonna let this thread die but it keeps getting revived.
You are correct in that I was distracting the conversation and putting an end to it. It wasnt going anywhere and you had started to attack me personally. I saw no reason to continue it. I threw the altar boy comment out there because you took a swipe at me, that was childish of me and I'm sorry for that. I try to hold myself to higher standards but sometimes I slip.
Now my haters are going to hate comment was not a reflection of what people thought of me, it was a comment on the hard liners that take an uneducated position on a subject and refuse to hear anything but what they believe. Political ppl are notorious at this. I never even stated my opinion on the subject, you inferred my position, and I'm not an advocate of the chemical at all. But I can see both sides.
Angus, well said bro. I find you to be an intelligent guy and your opinion is always appreciated.
angusThanks brother, this site is full of alpha males and strong personalities, it's easy to fall into a pissing match that turns into a personal battle. But that doesn't do anyone any good, and I am certainly not looking for fight on a computer. If I'm wrong about something I'm not too proud to admit it. Our responsibility here is to educate I think, that's what sets this site above others.
worst compound create it. i always steer ppl away from it, i ll stick with my clen, caffine , and ephedra. everyone is allowed to have there opinion, but there are healthier ways to lose weight
Can DNP be used safely? Absolutely, but in the wrong hands it can and will kill you.
That's really sad though. I hate hearing these stories
X3, when people become fixated and obsessed on an outcome, they will do what they will do. Bodybuilding itself is no different. There are times when you tell people "No" and they hear "Hell yes", so the best one can do and keep doing is educating folk so at least they stay safe.
angusx2 brother, it is heartbreaking. I also agree that it can be used safe and effectively.
HardBodEricThat's awful what happened, Very sad. Didn't Zyzz die the same way? of course he was taking much more but i think it was the same way of death right?
Zyzz was also doing a lot of coke + dnp + sauna...
angusLike anything else, DNP can be safe and very effective. Fuck, vitamins can be toxic if you take too much too, so for all the ppl that are DNP haters: do you also hate vitamins? The important aspect is moderation. Most of the things we talk about on this website can kill if not used in moderation. Extremists come along and give us a bad name. Haters are gonna hate so there's not much that can be done about that, but plz ask yourself why you're hatin in the first place or is it lack of knowledge and understanding?
Funny you should mention soda.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/20/soda-kills-sugary-drinks...
angusI didn't mention soda. But what you're referring to is an indirect link to death and the whole premise of this post was a direct link to death. I believe it invalidates your point. You're not going to go out, have a large soda and die. Whereas you could go out have a large amount of DNP and die. It's a silly comparison.
Good find.
Comparing vitamins and DNP is like comparing grain alcohol to soda pop.
Moderation can not be known if the product you're taking is untested. And, you might tolerate the symptoms but not the effects.
The "haters" as you call them recognise that the risk is not worth the reward. The risk is even greater if you are self administering a UGL product without the supervision of a doctor. How often do you hear of a drug overdose because the product was not cut?
DNP is still being studied as a weight loss aid for the morbidly obese. Under a doctors care, where your body temp and dosage can be monitored DNP might have benefits that outweigh the risk.
I suspect however, those who are willing to go it on their own, are also the same type of risk takers that will keep pushing the limits. Death is not the only problem you might face. High body temps can cause a host of problems including brain damage and stroke.
Who's to say, like a boxer that takes too many blows to the head, that some years from now you too start showing symptoms from your "moderate use" of DNP years prior?
Yes, I have asked myself why. I asked when I was looking into the substance. The MORE knowledge and understanding I got, the more I hated.
I hate the risk. I pray for you.
angusUmmm....pop and grain alcohol? I don't see the correlation. You misunderstood my position and jumped to conclusion. But before I explain please leave religion out of it, not everyone appreciates it. But I digress, I am neither a proponent nor an opponent of the substance. DNP illicits a strong response that is usually biased in nature. I, too, had a strong opinion of it until someone came along and challenged me to discover my reasoning. I'm open-minded by nature, and took a look at my decision to hate the substance and found that it was, indeed, biased. So anymore my whole premise is to get people to ask themselves why. To challenge themselves to determine their own biases. If we can eliminate them then we truly grow in wisdom. If you've done research and you hate this product then that's great. Good work and I hope that works for you. But for others to jump on board without due diligence is silly and I hope they come to their own conclusions based on their own research. Again, I am not arguing with anyone, just trying to expand horizens. Best of luck.
As there is no correlation with DNP and vitamins as you tried to make in your first post.
You seem to be an intelligent individual so you must know by using inflammatory comments like, "Extremists", "Haters are gonna hate", and, "...is it (your) lack of knowledge and understanding?" that your message would get lost. You, in effect, became the problem you despise in others.
I think you underestimate the intelligence of those posting views not in line with your own. I believe that they have done their research and have made informed opinions. You're assumption otherwise is rather belittling.
If you're truly trying to "open our minds" rather than trying to convince yourself of the merits of your decision, then share with us those facts that made you change your mind.
angusSo let me draw the correlation between vitamins and DNP, as we already know that several deaths have been blamed on DNP, but a quick search reveals this
So I don't see the relationship between everclear and coke but a clear comparison can be made between DNP and vitamins.
Am I intelligent? Well that is certainly debatable but I do hold some degrees, which doesn't make me smart, only documented, lol.
Your suggestion that since I challenge you and other readers to look at your reasoning makes me the problem is funny to me because you need to look past the words and see the message. Perhaps my choice of words was premature but they weren't ambiguous and left no room for doubt. There is no grey, there is only black and white.
I don't need to convince myself, I'm not only confident I'm convinced. Lol. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm glad you have one.
(CNN) -- Sugar-sweetened beverages are linked to more than 180,000 obesity-related deaths worldwide each year.
But still, the risk is very low that taking a dose will kill you as it is with "death by vitamin". So yes, your original analogy was flawed. It was used to downplay the high risks associated with DNP. Comparing DNP to Crystal Meth would have been more appropriate.
Yes, your intelligence is certainly debatable...
Obviously there is a gray because your stance is firmly in the "gray area".
You bloviate to disguise the fact that you still have not answered the one question I asked of you.
Why are you convinced? Share with us those facts that made you change your mind. Your personal experience.
angusI'm done, it was semi-interesting till you started that shit. Good luck altar boy.
I just read in another article that she had been taking DNP for 18 months!! yikes..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2315433/Sarah-Houston-cause-de...
I wouldn't blame the DNP as the single killer. Rather her anorexia.
Not that DNP is safe at all!
A shame she had to get such a horrible disease. :-(
I agree, it's the psychological issues that led to her bulimia and anorexia and depression that ultimately killed her, the dnp was the vehicle...
Captain DickMcL...this is why i will nvr use that shit
angusWhy? Cause you can't have an eating disorder and live on it for 18 months? I see where that might deter someone.
Captain DickMcL...cause if i survive, i ll have organ damage, and im not the despert to lose a few lbs, fuck it i ll get on the treadmill instead
angusSo are you suggesting that if you use DNP then your organs will be damaged all for the sake of losing weight? Your argument is flawed based on the mere fact that you're on this board. Why not skip the aas and just go natty? If you use AAS your prostate will swell up and you won't be able to get it up. My point is not to convince you, merely to get you to look at your reasoning. DNP may very well be dangerous, or it could be safe and effective in low doses like aspirin........
Captain DickMcL...meh, im too scared of that stuff brother , with that said, maybe it can be safe but the risk vs reward makes it not worth it IMO.
angusThat makes more sense. :-). Oh and BTW, I love that user name! Lol, it just rolls off the tongue. Seriously, it's funny.
No1Yes DNP is legal in the US but always labeled ''not for human consumption'' so nope the company cant be sued
They go directly to jail. Their disclaimers mean nothing when the company is advertising the product on bodybuilding forums.
Edit, sorry guys, The article is dated April 23/2013 but the death happened in 2012.
RustyhookerAs long as fools believe in the "magic pill" stupid crap will continue. Lets use this.....toxin to lose fat! Yes! Thsts soo cool!
Hope the aggro cynicism drips here....