posted Wed, 05/01/2013 - 07:26
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Tren for bulking
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I'm wanting to use test e and tren a for a bulk cycle what dosage of tren should I use?
I'm going to run 500mg of test e per week how much tren should I use with it?
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It can vary on many thing such as past cycle experience,,stats,,etc...
Also what TREN are you running??? HEX,ACE,ENAN?
@MuscleMutant
I know this is an old thread but it pains me to see incorrect information on a public forum - particularly when it is quoted with such certainty and authority. Never ceases to amaze me the amount of 'bro science' that becomes accepted as fact simply because somebody said it on a forum with enough authority. Anyway I digress. Here are some facts:
The inclusion of high levels of estradiol along with trenbolone when given to cattle was for 1 very simple reason. TO INCREASE FAT. Farmers and beef producers found that when cattle were given trenbolone on it's own - the resulting meat contained so little fat that it was considered to be an inferior product. Consumers actually valued meat with a 'marbled' effect - which in essence is intra muscular fat.
So while the theories about progesterone etc all sound very technically knowledgable, the truth is far simpler. If you want to reduce fat when using trenbolone, keep estrogen low. If you are looking for all out bulk then go with higher levels of estrogen.
Provide us with the source of these facts. -1 for not providing stats, and speaking out your ass.
No problem here bro. How high should I let it go? Sky is the limit LOL Top of E2 normal range in the US is
around 40 pg/mL What are you suggesting? 100? 300? Higher? Just askin . . . .
humans are not cattle, we dont eat human, nice try.
Is that not what he already said?................ and why come from the shadows with zero stats in your profile and zero friends to bump a 12mth old post!........... you just wasted your time imo
for bulking id run about 1200 mg a weak of the test and about 400 mg of tren with a high protein diet
I'm getting really cut and vascular with tren but I wouldnt use tren ace to bulk , I had really amazing results with npp/prop and a good diet . Plus tren makes it really hard to eat.
Iv done research on tren but I decided to go with a 500 mg tren e for 10 weeks and 500 mg test e cycle for 14 weeks. I'm new to tren but I'm taking it more as a cutting cycle instead of bulking tho. From what iv seen and read tren will put weight on you regardless but it seems to be good at cutting fat. 1000 mg seems like a lot of test e with tren tho.
SeaHawkLots of very bright contributors to this thread. Ill only add one thought. I view steroids as a repair agent. The more anabolic the steroid the more times I can train a muscle group. Nothing puts size on me like a bulking diet combined with a repair agent like tren. Im able to do 40-60 sets of volume training and return a day later and do it again.
Nice point bro! Tren has a dramatic effect on the bodies protein metabolism. I've gained 20kg in about 8 years lifting, that has been with 5 cycles. Which was 1 prohormone cycle, primo cycle, test prop cycle, test e cycle, then a test e and eq cycle. I know for fact there isn't so many people that can make those consistant gains, it's about 6lbs per year, now at 84kg my gains from test e are really slow and I can only eat so much food, thts why i want to give tren a blast to se if it will give me a boost and I don't want to mess with peptides. Bulking with tren has to add serious mass, William Llewellyn anabolics 2009 book has got tren cycles in it, I think I will go with what he has written as a guideline, I'm not saying anybody in here is wrong, everyone learns to taper dosages to suit there own body I gues there's only one way to know your own body's tolerance is to start low and slowly increase it each cycle to find the sweet spot.
Personally I think the body can build a tolerance to the tren sides after a few cycles
I think before that consideration is given, one should check with their significant others and family members to see if they want to live with said person who is learning to build a tolerance for the sides for the duration of the cycle.. ;-)
If I was running it I would be running I for 4 to 6 weeks low dosage at the end of the cycle to just to see my reaction.
I hardly sleep at night anyways and I swet like a bitch 24/7 so either it isn't going to make a difference to me or its going to make it 10 times worse lol
I m just saying that when Goth runs tren I might as well be running it dealing with the sides ;-) he 's run tren no test and let me tell you I was very happy when he ended that o-o
DIET will be the key if your wanting to add bulk size.
Be prepared to eat.
Thank you Xvbeast. Everybody likes to over hype stuff. Guys in my gym banging it in them try haven't even trained as long as me don't even have a developed physique and they say there fine no problems
its a shitty compound for bulking , Its way too overhyped..
Start low and go from there. It's good to start with tren a to see how you react then next time you can hit the long ester
I was going to run 500mg test e per week with 500mg of masteron. Then ill throw tren in for the last six weeks of the cycle but would I need to lower my dosages of test e and masteron?
It's made to put more weight on beef cattle with the same amount of Feed
It 500/500
Of course you could bulk with it
Any compound can be used bulk or cut
It's diet controlled only
Tren to test ratio is always 2:1 or even
2.5:1
Example Tren 500: testosterone200 weekly
That's what the average results are sayin now from these boards
GATORGEAR
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I have to say, I don't fully 'subscribe' to the 'less test with tren' protocol, nor do I really advocate taking strong anti-e's when using tren either.
There are very few studies about body composition and tren in people, but in cattle its the NUMBER one supplement for increasing lean mass.
- Cattle use finaplix pellets which contain:
http://www.revalor.com/revalor-H.asp
thats for heifers (female cows before their first calf); its 140mg Tren, and 14mg of Oestradiol (a VERY strong oestrogen).
now look at:
http://www.revalor.com/revalor-S.asp
thats for steers (castrated male cattle); its 120mg of tren and 24mg of Oestradiol
And finally:
http://www.revalor.com/finaplix.asp
thats straight tren, and its for female cows (heifers)....
What's all that mean? well all the body composition increases in lean body mass in males requires a higher rate of oestrogen to be added (as females already have oestrogen).
It seems that even in cattle, where its famous for its effectiveness, Tren needs a high oestrogen environment.
I think the main reason for this is that trenbolone (like nandrolone) is a 19-nortestosterone derivative, and a Progestogen (meaning it has progesterone like action) and in fact binds at about 60% of the effectiveness of progesterone at the progesterone receptor.
So whats this got to do with Oestrogen?? well Progesterone receptors up regulate in the presence of high oestrogen:
"...Progesterone exerts its primary action through the intracellular progesterone receptor although a distinct, membrane bound progesterone receptor has also been postulated.[23][24] In addition, progesterone is a highly potent antagonist of the mineralocorticoid receptor (MR, the receptor for aldosterone and other mineralocorticosteroids). It prevents MR activation by binding to this receptor with an affinity exceeding even those of aldosterone and other corticosteroids such as cortisol and corticosterone.[25]Progesterone has a number of physiological effects that are amplified in the presence ofestrogen. Estrogen through estrogen receptors upregulates the expression of progesterone receptors.[26] Also, elevated levels of progesterone potently reduce the sodium-retaining activity of aldosterone, resulting in natriuresis and a reduction in extracellular fluid volume."
from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progesterone
So, basically, my understanding is you want high oestrogen with tren; so I don't recommend taking a birth control pill, but high levels of test (and dbol) that aromatise to high levels of oestradiol would be good- and using nolvadex to prevent gyno, but not reduce oestrogen levels...
This is why I think anyone who uses less Testosterone with their Trenbolone is shooting them self in the foot, in a way. And personally,
Although I will say, from my experience, the more estrogen in your body running rampant with tren in there, the more sides you will have. It's not TESTOSTERONE's presence with tren that causes side effects, it's estrogen, but in the same breath, it's always what makes tren truly powerful/special.
If you want to take tren to the arena, you can't limp your way through the races. Keep your test high, don't suppress estrogen production, and you'll be picking up golds. Don't know about you guys, but when I put weeks, sometimes months of planning into a cycle, the money, the time, the effort and everything that goes with it, I sure as shit better picking up a gold.
thanks for sharing +1 good stuff right there!
Nvm
+1 for a perfect answer, IMO
Buildbigger86Get at em Gator!!! Always on top of your game!
See I'm wanting to compete next year and I'm sort of doing a trial run diet and was wanting to try a little tren to see how I would react, I'd only be wanting to use a minimal dosage of tren to see how I react. What's the lowest you would run it at?
50 mg ed
not a good bulker, it suppresses appetite
Does the appetite suppression happen to everyone or does it depend on the individual
AnonEven on bold cyp and im havin a hard time eating b/c of the tren E. but there are times where i crave food like crazy. I'd be digging through my shit looking for anythibg with sugar lol good thing i got rid of all my sweets. Those damn bold munchies im tellin ya. There are also days where i can barely eat. Everyone responds differently
tren made me hungry as hell. I was eating all the time!
I think the appetite suppression is mostly from caber and prami.
Tren supposedly slows the speed of digestion so food you eat sits in your stomach longer allowing your body more time to absorb nutrients. This is one reason why tren improves feed efficiency.
I have noticed tren ace seems better for cutting.
However when you mix long esters and have higher dose test along with EQ and Tren E, you get the benefits of tren mixed with the appetite stimulating effects of EQ. Improved feed efficiency AND increased food intake = huge gains.
I put on 24lbs( 207lbs-231) in 29 days last year running 75mg tren a every day and 500 test e per week. at the end of my 12 week cycle I ended up weighing 246. so a total of 39 lbs in 12 weeks. after pct I weighed in at 232lbs. so I gained 25 lbs muscle. That's a good ass bulk cycle if you ask me! You can bulk and cut with pretty much any anabolic steroid, it all comes down to your diet. I did around 5 cycles before I even touched tren ,its harsh and the sides are insane. check out my review from last year.
UFOAgree with everyone else on laying off the tren. It is about as harsh as it gets and has some of the worst sides for AAS. Also one of the only compound that has mental sides. Also there would be no reason to run Test e with Tren a as their pin schedules are very different.
A good substitute would be a cycle of test prop or test pp with npp. Thats a leaner bulk than deca so your gains will be cleaner but you will be able to pack on just as much muscle. The only thing tren would do better is really increase vascularity at the same time. Plenty of other compounds out there besides tren homie.
biggerthanyouHey man I would lay off the tren for now and do more research you clearly are NOT ready.
What are your stats? Age, height, weight, bf%???
Also how many cycles do u have under ur belt and what compounds do u have experience with?
Do u know what an ai is? Hcg? What is ur pct lookin like?
GET BACK TO ME BRO AND I CAN HELP YOU OUT
I wouldn't use tren for bulking with my experiences so far and high test would give more sides.. It makes for an amazing cutter.
I think that you have some reading to do. I see your stats but what is your cycle history?
Test at that dose with any dose of tren is a recipe for a side effect nightmare. At 24 years old, I don't think you should use tren yet. That's just my opinion but I think you could create an excellent bulking cycle without tren.
I know use guys have got great experience on this stuff so that's why I'm asking first, im on the fence about using it im scared of the sides, like loads of guys at my gym use it an there physique developement is years behind mine and it also makes me think if that dumb ass can take it why cant i but i know thats not the way to think but it's sort of tempting to try it, just because its almost like the forbidden fruit.
I was just thinking about maybe 200-300mg per week just to see what the fuss is about
X2.
I think there's probably a better solution here. Post up your cycle history.
Started with a ph cycle tren bomb and epi was terrible ended up with gyno worst mistake of my life didn't have any knowledge on hormone at all was sold it in a supplement shop the guy never told me anything about pct I was 20 years old. Stupid mistake!
First cycle was sus and deca 3 years ago was really bad only lasted 6 weeks I ha to stop it short because of acne.
Tried again 1 year later with 16 week primo cycle 600mg per week which was a success. No sides at all
Then upped it again with a prop cycle 450mg per week for 10 weeks no sides a few spots that was it.
Next cycle was a 10 week test e 500mg per week with 6 week dbol 50mg per day after dbol finished I got acne on my chest but finished the 10 week cycle.
last cycle was 14 week eq 600 mg and test e 500mg. Which went really well loved the eq great endurance didn't really get the whole hunger thing every one talks about but I was eating 4000cals per day.
I've been lifting for 7 years started out at 64kg at my heaviest last cycle I was 86kg
I'm probably going to compete next year and I wana give tren a little try out for the last six weeks of my cycle just to see how I respond to it.
My knowledge of lifting and nutrition is good. I know the basics about cycling still learning and reading stuff everyday