posted Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:12
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If TRT guys don't PCT, how soon can you cycle again?
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Just being safe here, 41y/o TRT guy here, I have one cycle under my belt and was told by most folk here not to PCT but to go back on trt right after cycle.
I understand the reasoning for no PCT, trt guys are basically cruising on trt in between cycles, so the question is, is there a standard protocol for cycling while on TRT?
regular guy, cycle+pct=time off
TRT dude, cycle=time off ? Or can you basically start back at any point?
Thanks again for the help and input.
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My understanding is that EQ is very similar to Deca, with similar sides (deca dick) and it stays detectable in your body for many months after last pin... How does it help with fat loss exactly?
thank you.
GearofWarSince Deca is much more progestagenic(sp?)(19 nor) and EQ is more androgenic, if you are more prone to gyno, estrogenic fat deposits, bloat, and bitch tits go for EQ; if you are more prone to acne, body hair, and balding go for Deca if you want the least sides. If you are prone to both I would go for EQ because I'd rather have acne than titties. Eq will not give you Deca Dick because prolactin is not an issue with Eq. Prolactin is the reason for Deca Dick. Plus the gains on EQ are about the same but are of better quality and more maintainable at cycles end. It makes you stronger, raises RBC's, gets you in better shape, doesn't stay in your system as long, aromatizes less, and suppresses natural test much less as well. Plus, it's easier to control androgenic sides with an AI vs progestrogenic(?) sides because DA's are harder to come by, dosing is more of a guess, and some folks don't tolerate Prami or Bromo sides well and legit Caber *can be tough to get ahold of. My .02
Agreed, I would rather have acne than titties as well. Thanks a lot for this. I will look to add 400mg EQ for my second cycle, along with test e. I'd like to stick to just a few compounds, being my second cycle and all.
Just thinking out loud here:
w 1-12 500mg test e
w 1-12 400mg eq
w 8-12 anavar ? I'll see how I'm doing and may just leave it for a later cycle.
Do I need to bother frontloading 1000mg test e or doing test p 100mg eod for weeks 1-4 since I'll be adding EQ? or is it a bit of a waste?
Thanks
GearofWarI wouldn't bother front-loading Test-E, but Prop is a great kicker. You could run a Prop taper whilst your T-E builds up:
week 1: 100mg prop EOD
week 2: 75mg prop EOD
week 3: 50mg prop EOD
week 4: 25mg prop EOD
Also, I WOULD front load the Eq, and seriously consider running the Eq out to 14 weeks to realize maximum gains, even with a frontload.
Additionally maybe think of running HCG throughout the cycle at 250iu e3d. That's the protocol I use just to keep my nuts plump and backfill pathways.
EQ is not exactly like deca. The similarities it has is it is often used to bulk for longer cycles 14-20 weeks. Has long ester like decanoate.
EQ has less side effects for the most part. You will not experience "deca dick" with EQ.
I noticed deca and EQ help reduce fat gain. You can eat large amounts of food and put minimal amounts of fat on. That is a common trait of anabolic steroids, EQ is not the only one that assists in muscle gain while minimizing fat gain.
Sounds good, Eq sounds like a much cheaper answer than HGH (which as I keep aging, I'm sure I'll have to take soon enough)...
I would take at least 2 months off from a cycle but I would let the determining factor be blood work as well. Give yourself a nice break of just on TRT for your receptors to clear. GH would be a great addition to losing fat. You want to do the Gh longer than 12 weeks. You can frontload with the prop for the first 4 weeks. I'd go 50-75mgs ED and use the Test E at 600mgs a week. I would keep the EQ at 600mgs minimum for 16 weeks. EQ is one of those that need to be taken for a good duration. You won't really notice its effects for many weeks in.
Withdrawl, I think you hit the nail right in the head. I remember when i was 17y/o i could eat 5 cheeseburgers a day, go for a quick job and they'd outa my system
HGH although pricy may be the right answer. I'm a noob here and just looking to put together my second cycle.
w1-12 Test E 600mg/w front loaded with
w1-4 test C 600mg/w
w1-12 HGH 2iu/d ???
Although I'm sure if i would see big gains with the above, but being as it's only my second go, i didnt want to start adding more compounds...thoughts?
WithdrawlIf you can afford to run HGH longer, go for it. I have a friend who runs HGH from time to time and he sees fat loss from it fairly quickly so I think 12weeks is ok for your goals. If you want the added muscle mass/new muscle cells you need to run it longer. Also, I think prop at 600mg a week is a little high for you on a second cycle. The reason being is because once that enanthate starts building up in weeks two and three you may have upwards of almost a gram a week of test in your system by the time you stop the prop. If you still decide to go with prop as a kicker, 100mg EOD will be plenty for you. Another thing to consider is dropping the prop and instead finishing the last 6-8 weeks of your cycle with anavar. Anavar with test and HGH should really help with fat loss. Anavar is pricey but it's a phenomenal compound for cutting cycles. It's also very mild on side effects and toxicity.
Withdrawl, thanks a lot for your input, you've help me out here and on a previous post. Your advice is always appreciated. I will definitely go with the anavar to end the cycle and will research HGH a bit more.
Thanks again.
GearofWarHgh is run for LONG periods of time. Minimum of 6 months to see results with ED or EoD injections at least also. Running Cyp and Enan together won't really make a difference either. Cyp is just a longer acting ester. I would try Test-P for some faster acting test. Maybe think about Equipoise. I'm on Eq right now and I'm enjoying it greatly.
Gear, srry, I meant to say test P frontloaded. At what dose are you running your Equipoise?
GearofWarI personally am running Eq at 600mg/wk split into 300mg twice per week. I also did a 1200mg frontload on the Eq because it is a compound that takes a while to get rolling. I'm doing 16 weeks on the Eq.
frontload prop?? no need to frontload something that kicks in a day or so, bro. plus, 2 cc EOD is gonna leave you tender. lol
You're right D, frontload is the wrong term. Thanks for the correction
Muscleg33ku should be running 600 mg EQ at the minimum.
one cycle under his belt and run eq at 600 mg min is your suggestion? That is ridiclious. 400 mg is more then enough if he chooses that compound.
GearofWarIm a TRT guy and I feel the safest minimum amount of time would be after BW to test that hematacrit/RBC levels are good(within specified ranges), cholesterol/lipids look good, etc, that sort of thing. Thats the "healthy answer". If you're not going to do that, then time on = time off, IMO.
Muscleg33kGreat topic!
Thanks for the feedback, I'll let my receptors rest and start next cycle in 2.5 months.
Bigger, I'm trying to bulk up bro, my biggest problem during my first cycle is that my body has problems metabolising more than 2000cal/d, even if the cals are clean I just seem to gain body fat.
I'm not fat by any means, i'm at about 17% bf.
So for my next cycle I'm looking at test e plus something that helps me cut bf...
WithdrawlYou may want to consider HGH if you can afford it. That might help you considerably with fat loss, even at a lower dose like 2-3 iu's a day..
GearofWarI'm working towards HGH myself. I really want to know if it could help my degenerative muscle loss issue. I'll try anything to help with that. I wish that stem cell growth factors and the like were legal in this repressed country. Somatotropin costs a pretty penny but if it could help me out at all I'd gladly fork over the dough. If doctors and insurance co's weren't so greedy and uber conservative with treatments they'd prescribe people these types of things to at least attempt to fix my broken ass.
WithdrawlYou also basically want to take time off to let your receptors clear a bit so you can continue seeing good gains from your cycles. 2-3 months off, or in your case on TRT, does the trick for me.
biggerthanyouWhat's up man you came to the right place! I'm not a trt guy but from what I know, you def should drop back to cruise levels for awhile but I don't think its necessary to cruise for much more than 2-3 months. Really it depends on your goals. Are you trying to compete, bulk up, shred down? Give me a little more info gramps lol
Typically, the same rule applies, but it would just depend on how long the blast was. The purpose of the time off is to allow for recovery of homeostasis, as well as for the connective tissues making up the muscular system to relax and detense. These tissues are places under a lot of stress during a cycle bc the muscle tissues will grow at a faster rate than tendonous tissues. This helps to prevent injuries in the future. I would assume that a 6+ month blast wouldn't require te same amount of time off for a trt guy. It only takes so long for tendons to relax and repair.
AnonJeez, a 6 month blast? Wow!
You might be surprised what some people do. Not everything is for the public for real
Apologies, I meant to post this in the dinosaur lounge (what a horrible name :), i don't know how to move it, but please give me feedback if you have it. Thank you.