-1 2nd cycle Prop/Mast/Var
Hey I'm new here and I'm pretty new to the AAS game.
1 cycle under my belt : Test E, Var
23 yrs old
170lbs
5'8
I already know how to eat to meet whatever goal I'm trying to achieve and I don't have a set diet. It's usually changing, but I always get my macros in and I solve any micro deficit by supplementing.
I know how to lift and I'm not looking for advice on it. I've been weightlifting since I was 14 in high school and I got my ass in gear at 19 after my first year at college.
My second cycle I'm looking to add another compound and do a shorter cycle.
10 weeks
week 1-10 test P @ 50mg ED
Week 1-10 Mast P @ 100mg ED
Week 3-10 Var @ 100mg ED
Aromasin @12.5mg ED
PCT week 11-15
Toremifene- 60mg ED
Clomid - 50mg ED
Aromasin @ 12.5mg ED
I know my PCT isn't exactly common here, but I ran that for my previous cycle and I bounced back with higher testosterone after my PCT than I had before I ran the cycle so that worked for me and I'm sticking to it.
I'd like advice/opinions and whatever you can throw at me.
Thanks,
Ptero
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RustyhookerWhat's your goal in doing your cycle? Bf% First cyvle shoulda added 15+lbs which starts you off at 155 at 5-8? Yet you claim diet n exercise are on point so now you're cutting? And with improper dosing.
Whats your goal? Do you need to stay light for comp?
cycle looks good. i dont know if you need that much for a second cycle but its your choice. the only thing i would recommend is maybe starting the mast at 50mgs and see how you react to that. ive used 100mgs before and felt it was too much, felt flat 50mgs is my sweet spot. since you are running the var starting week 3, i would save the mast for another cycle.
RustyhookerSchool is IN.....Tread style
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/test-prop-and-counting-...
raise your test...to at least 100mgs
Terephthalic Pt...Well I'm probably not going to run the cycle at all, but 700mg a week of testosterone is crazy high.
People already tell me I have crazy high testosterone by just being 23 years old and injecting 350mg a week I'd be more than doubling my natural production. At 700mg a week I'd be more than quadrupling my natural testosterone levels.
It would probably bring more side effects with way less benefit.
RustyhookerProp doesn't have a weekly value. Its dead and gone in 48hrs. So 50Mg/eod is a flat 100. Research Esters.
Terephthalic Pt...Testosterone will only be active in your system after the ester is cleaved. All testosterone will affect you for the same short half life it already has. The weekly value merely determines how many milligrams you take a week. The ester size determines the amount of time it takes to cleave off the testosterone.
YOU should research pharmacokenetics.
RustyhookerYOU ....should better research your Esters. Test prop is dead and done in 48 hours.
Terephthalic Pt...Yeah no shit. That doesn't mean that the amount of testosterone you receive will be any different. Just because the testosterone is distributed to your body faster doesn't mean you get less of it. (this is of course overlooking the fact that due to the propionate ester being a shorter carbon chain weighs less so 100mg of test P would be more testosterone than 100mg of test E)
You take 50mg ED and you get that 100mg in two days time. If you are taking 50mg of test E ED then that 50mg is just distributed more slowly. You don't get less.
You only benefit from testosterone. Testosterone propionate won't do shit for your body. However over the period of two days that propionate ester is cleaved off the testosterone leaving the testosterone active for the extremely short time testosterone is active for. Using Test E would just increase the length of time it takes to cleave off that ester.
Don't tell me to research esters when it's apparent you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
RustyhookerProp has no weekly value. Like TREAD THE GURU has in the report up top...genius.
Go research your values newb
Terephthalic Pt...Oh no. Tread the guru has spoken and therefor it is.
Lol. I don't care who the fuck says it. It's wrong as shit.
RustyhookerGuess all us eroidians are full of shit. Glad a troll of your stature is here to school us old dudes.
Terephthalic Pt...I'm not here to troll. You're the one trying so hard to convince me that I'm the one that's wrong. I could give two shits what you think. If you want to believe you magically get more testosterone from certain esters be my guest.
But I believe in science. Not random ass shit some "GURU" pulls out of his ass.
RustyhookerOk troll. I liked all your forums. All crap talking everyone that answered. Good troll...or is it tool? Probably both
Terephthalic Pt...I like your not understanding what a thread is vs a forum. Oh and your awesome mathematical skills.
300 dollar cycle, 18 pounds, 300dollars/18pounds=100dollars/pound.
Nice work there. Real smart.
Maybe I wouldn't talk so much shit if you guys weren't so dumb.
RustyhookerYour still too dumb to understand the meaning. But i guess you're a supernova here. Glad to see your new fangled msth rewrite history. Nice troll. Feed the troll.
Terephthalic Pt...Rewrite history? The crap are you talking about? How did you manage to use you're improperly and properly in the same post?
I'm just going to leave this here. It's obvious your intelligence level is crazy low and you really aren't making any sense. You have fun with whatever you're trying to say. When you learn how to make coherent sentences and do fractions above a third grade level maybe you can try and tell me why you believe long esters contain more testosterone.
Depending on how heavy the ester chain is, that determines how long it takes the esterase to remove it, and that amount of time determines how long the steroid stays active in your body. what you said is a little backwards. so if you do 100 mg eod that's a total of 400mg ,but you will only have 200 mg at the end of the wk. it doesn't build up. you stay around 200 mg the whole cycle. I 'm not saying do 700 mg ,but you should increase the dose.
Terephthalic Pt...That's not how it works. Testosterone isn't active in the form you inject it. The reason it takes 2-3 weeks for test E to kick in is because that's how long on average it takes to decay and cleave the enanthate ester. It isn't active during that time. Androgenic receptors cannot bind with testosterone enanthate or propionate, or any other test ester. They bind with testosterone.
350mg would be double what I normally produce. It'll be plenty.
what ever dude. you know it all and no one can tell you anything. what's the point in posting a cycle if you wont take any advice. it's a waste of space. good luck on your cycle.
Terephthalic Pt...I don't know it all, but steric hindrance is like basic basic basic organic chemistry. Like I'd listen to someone who doesn't even understand how molecules bind to receptors. I don't just take advice from any old muscle head. Let alone ones that try and tell me something that is just flat out funny wrong.
I didn't say it binds to the ester reread the post .here is some facts for you. you can know all about molecules, receptors,organic chemistry and still not know how it will effect you or when it will kick in. everyone is different and science is not exact. also with your attitude no one is going to be willing to help you when you really need it. i'm done here don't bother posting back.
Terephthalic Pt...Oh I can post. Whether or not you decide to respond is your own deal. If I bother to make say this very post that's my deal. And I don't want the help of people who have no clue what they're talking about. They're just regurgitating the same bullshit that I've heard numerous times from other no nothing people.
AnonToo many compouunds for a second cycle. ....you just jumped in and started running two compounds without eveen getting a feel for test and how u react to it....you.should be running test only at this time.....im definitely not gonna advise 3 compounds
Terephthalic Pt...Yeah your opinion doesn't really mean all that much to me. I have felt how I reacted to pure testosterone before I started my oral.
Unless you have any real advice for my cycle and something to back it up other than what you THINK I have a feel for then your words mean nothing. Especially coming from someone who can't even use an ellipsis properly.
just so you know this opinion is kinda standard with everyone else on this board about cylces and how many compounds so how about you loose the tough guy attitude no need for it people are trying to help
Terephthalic Pt...Well I wasn't really interested in that kind of opinion. I was looking for compound experience, dosage, and thoughts on masteron and whatnot.
That kind of advice adds nothing. I already know you guys are all about doing a shitton of cycles. I'm not interested in that. I was planning on maybe doing one more cycle and that was it. I don't care how my body reacts to single compounds because it doesn't really matter.
Running same cycle bro! im f'm pumped! good luk!
Terephthalic Pt...Hey I'm going to send you a friend request and maybe PM you in the following months about your thoughts on the cycle. I haven't even gotten my gear yet, and I don't plan on running the cycle for a while I just was looking to work out the kinks.
It'll be nice to hear how you do with your cycle.
RustyhookerWhat's your goals bro? For height weight, your on the light side. So need to know if your looking for fight weight or to get some mass. Goals change it all. If its mass, then your diet needs modification.
Terephthalic Pt...Yeah I'm dense. I want to stay dense. Really I'm just trying to get as strong as I possibly can without losing the body I'm looking to maintain. I don't really care for the huge bulky look.
I'm not really trying to achieve anything. I'm not a fighter, I don't play any sports real competitively. Just looking to get stronger and improve my lifts and such.
I keep my diet pretty low. I only eat around 2800 calories a day and I work out like a beast with lots of cardio.
Really I'm just interested on thoughts on the masteron. I already did a cycle of test and var and loved it, just looking to add mast and need to know how the ratio should be. I respond crazy well to testosterone and even my 500mg a week was probably overkill last cycle.
RustyhookerYou'll Love mast! Id run the prop equal to the mast. You can lower it last 3 Weeks to shed off water. 75 on var splut morn/night did me up nicely. When mast first kicks in...the first few day I'm a bit snappy. So just keep in mind its not the idiot on the freeway. Lol. Mast is definilty a favorite.
Terephthalic Pt...Might also switch to long esters. I haven't really completely made up my mind. I haven't bought anything yet and I'm still in the planning phase. Not looking to run a cycle for a little while yet just planning.
Terephthalic Pt...Might just say fuck it and run Var for the full 10 weeks. I handled 100mg of var for 8 weeks fine and I doubt another 2 weeks is going to destroy me. I don't drink at all and my liver seems to be doing just fine.