Primo and avavar Safest gear available?
Im pretty new to these post so work with me guys.
31 year old male
5,8
165lb
bf 15%
I work hard and have a good job so i don't care about the expense. Im looking to take the cleanest safest gear available with minimal side affects.I been using gear on and off since i was 18yrs old. Back then we use to get it from labs in mexico and it had pics of cats and dogs on the labels.Thank god my balls still work lol. Well those good old days are over and now that im 31 im more cautious of what i take. Im physically fine with the exception of my liver enzymes elevating in the mid one hundreds within the past couple of years. With milk thistle i was able to get them back down to a normal range.Last year.I ran 400mg of primo and 40mg of anavar for 16 weeks and had great results with minimal side affects. My profile pic is from the peak of that cycle. I wasn't huge but wasn't looking to be either. The cycle wasn't as strong as i'd like it to be so i was thinking of throwing in 250mg of test enanthate per week.which is my favorite out off all the gears i ever taken. Im looking to gain 10lb to 15lb of solid mass with minimal bloating, water retention, and side affects as possible and of course strain on the liver. Also i keep getting different opinions of pct cycles so if you guys could advice me on a proper PCT cycle i;d highly appreciate it. Im going to give you guys what i thought would be a good clean cycle. Please advice me if any of you guys have a better suggestions. for what im looking for. Also my diet will consist of 6 meals a day. lean meals with low carbs and at-least 200 grams of protein per day. Workouts will be four day a week 2hrs a day working on 2 body parts per day and 45 min of cardio twice a week. thanks for all the help guys.
this was my toughts for my 16 week cycle
500mg primo per week
250mg test enanthate per week
50mg avavar per day
50mg proviron per day
If this is a good cycle how do you guys suggest i pyramidal the gear and what suggestions can you guys give me on a pct program. Im looking to place the order for my gear asap so i'd appreciate the help. If any of yous out there are going to be a dick please don't bother answering my post.thanks guys
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Wanna thank you guys im gaining a lot of knowledge that i wish i knew 10 years ago that would of avoided all the brake outs and being depressed and all fucked up while coming off a cycle.
Correct me if im wrong but here is what im coming up with
Anastrozole---- is an Ai to fight the estrogen caused by certain test or gear we would say. It should be ran while on the gear and discontinued at the end of your cycle.
HCG----is most effectively if used the entire time of running your running gear. Its to keep your balls from tuning off and should be discontinued either at the end of your cycle or a week afterwords to keep them from shutting off. It could be used after a cycle as part of a pct program but that means your balls were off while on your cycle and now your telling them to turn back on. Fuck that ill rather keep them on.
Clomid or Novadex---- are basically to tell your body to start producing testosterone again since your bodies natural testosterone production is turned off by the introduction of artificial testosterone. It should be started two weeks after your last week in a long ester cycle since it typicality take a long ester gear 3 weeks to get in your system and 3 weeks to get out of it.
I know this is not a 100% but just let me know if im on the right track in understanding these products. Feel free to correct me if im not understanding some of these properly.
Well im gonna sound like dick!... if we knocked your 15% BF away that leaves you at 140 lean mass... thats a straight ten stone my man!.... all this steroid talk and not a single word mentioned about nutrition... well heres the breaking news bro... if you simply jacked up your protein to approx 1.5 gram pr one pound of your current bodyweight and ate complex carbs only (no fast sugars) the mass increase you are looking for with a BF drop as a free bonus would occur in a matter of 3 months or so depending on level of training intensity and quality rest.
So there you have it!... shit-hot results without even having to worry about pinning or chomping on var for 3 months.
Or do it your lazy-ass way and fail once more............................... your choice!!!!!!
So if i came across as "a dick" so be it!.... but there aint no substitute for hard gym time and on point nutrition in my world.... and you failed to mention either.
vikings a guru man! he's an open book and straight forward!
thanks and your not being a dick. That's constructive criticism which i have no problem with. I was mainly talking about the guys who go off on you put you down and not give you any feed back to get you on the right track. its like what the fuck we all been there nobody was born with weights and gear in there hands lol. I agree with you 100% diet is 70% and the main key to getting the results your looking for. I tell people all the time if your not going to eat properly don't bother working out just wasting your time. Yea your going to get stronger and muscles are going to get harder but your not going to grown and get the muscle building or athletic physic your looking for. i did make a quick comment on my work out routine and diet plans but didn't go into it much because im more focus on getting my gear and pct order together cause as we all know takes a while to come in. Next step is i will be putting a form about my diet what my meal plans are incorporated with the gear ill be running to see what feed back i get on that. Then after that i will be putting a post up discussing what gear im running diet plans and workout routine to see what kind of feedback i get on that. Think im doing things the right way don't you agree?
Alright.. sounds good bro.. bring it up!
Thanks dude. DId you see my response to everyone on top about the pct and anit estrogen am i understanding them properly??
Since we are on the topic these are my diet plans. 8am 5 egg whits with a fruit or little bit of nuts to start the day couple of grams not sure how many is suggested. 10am 30g or whey protine shake or low carb protein care with at least 30g plus of protein. 12am since im on the street i usually go by 711 and get a tuna salad sandwich on sliced wheat bread and a cup of fruit. If you don't know the sandwich im talking bout all its basically pure tuna on wheat bread nothing else is on it. 3pm same as 10am 30g protein shack or bar. 5pm Something lean Stake, Fish, or chicken with a cup or brown rice or a baked potato and a cup of vegetable. 7pm 30g protein shake before i hit the gym. Within 30 min of completing my working another 30g of protein. and 30g of casein protein before bedtime. Please advice on what are your thoughts. Fyi I would never take more gear to substitute not working out or dieting properly.
nothing wrong with that bro.. keep it consistant and you are on your way to a new you... +3 for putting the effort into this and showing a good attitude for learning.
Watch the sodium with pre/made or processed foodstuffs ok.. dont want to puff up like a water buffolo once you got enanth flowing.
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Got it sry bout that bro. like i said new to this shit. I don't really care who replies to my last post just trying to get as much into as possible so i could order my gear and start preparing for my cycle. Im single with no kids and plan to keep it that way. My goals in life are to work hard, make money, travel the world, and fuck the most beautiful women out there lol. In order to do that one i have to look good and stay healthy. So i plan to use gear on a yearly basis for the next 20 something years. That is why im so particular about what im doing because i don't wanna fuck my body up for the future. I own a small business so i don't have all the time in the wold to do all this research so if you guys could guide me in the right directions i'd highly appreciate it. Shit i,d even pay one of you guys to set me up on a good cycle lean diet and workout routine if i had to.
Well you have a solid plan but you still have a lot to learn. Best advice I can give you is take in what everyone says. Don't take offense or get shitty about it. They're telling you because they've been there. Some have a colorful way of explaining but we're all adults. None should be able to upset you. So take the advice given and learn all you can. You have an advantage over most of us. We didn't have knowledgable people to guide us. We fucked up and learned the hard way
yea i think ill try this out sounds good. Only question was how should i modify it to run if for at least 12 weeks. i would actually prefer 16 weeks even at a lower dosage to be honest. Also i understand what there doing with the Dbol using it to kick off the cycle since the Enanthate takes 3 to 4 weeks to get in your system. But since im worried about my liver wouldn't it be cleaner to substitute the dbol with a fast acting injectable like prop?
Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate per week (2 injections of 250mg, Sunday Morning Wednesday night)
Optional: Weeks 1-4: 30mg of Dbol per day (split in two doses, one pre workout, one 12 hours later)
Weeks 1-12: .5mg of Anastrozole Every other Day (EOD)
Weeks 4-12: 500iu's of HCG per week (2 injections of 250iu's, same days as test, but not in the same syringe)
PCT starts week 12, two weeks after last test shot
Week 1&2: 40mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
Week 3&4: 20mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
Your absolutely right guys.A couple of years ago some asshole gave me tren and my stupied ass took it without doing any research on it and fucked my liver up. That's why i learned my lesion and trying to do thing the right way.Doing my research and asking for advice.
AnonTren fucked your liver up on the first run?
Lol idk about that bro.
Your piss goes yellow on tren from the metabolites.
i took my fair share of gear when i was younger. Never had an issue except the basics pimples shit like that. Then 3 years ago i was running 500mg of cyp and 200 of prop. I need something to cut me up cause so i told my guy. He gave me tren. Started off at 100mg a week then think i went up to 200 for i would say maybe 2 months. From there i got a pain under my right rib. Got off the gear went to the docs and got all types of test done. Everything was fine except my liver enzymes. My Ast were at like 160 i think. I know that's not that high but never had them past 80. i thought that what the pain was but now 3 years later my enzymes are back to normal. The pain is still there though never went away. maybe i pulled some muscle there or something i don't know but like i said that was the only bad experience i ever had with gear so last time ill ever touch tren.
have you ever considered the gear he gave you may have had some shit chemical in it that caused the stress on your liver and the tren had nothing to do with it?
Absolutely that why im on here and will never buy from an unknown source again. Either way had other friends of mine have health problems with tren. One of my friends took it even though i told him not to and ended up with some kind of heart problems afterwords. Regardless we all know its a very toxic gear and shouldn't be taken by any one who is not a vet at this and really knows what there doing don't you agree.
I agree. That's unfortunate about your friend. Again who knows if how much the tren actually had to do with his heart problems, but dont matter.
I agree 100% people use use tren or Deca really must know what they are doing. Its not like running test 2ml per week and a couple adex. Much more complicated. Requires daily pinning, site rotation, and other ancillaries such as hcg, prami, proviron etc Estrogen control is much more difficult than test only as well, AI dosages must be dialed in. Also must know what drugs NOT to take with tren or deca such as nolvadex.
Yes there is so much to tren and deca that a beginner will have no clue about and as a result - you hear the stories unfortunately of the result of improper drug use.
At the same time, a vet who is very experienced, knows all the possible issues that can happen, how to deal with them, and runs responsibly could have a healthy successful run. But yes stuff is not for beginners
Everyone always says that about orals but i've seen plenty of people on these post say they ran Anavar and Proviron long term with no issues. Maybe you know something i don't and if so please let me know. Like i said i did my research and got my blood work done so doing things the right way and don't see an issue with it as long as you follow a proper pct. The reason i was going to run the Enanthate so low was because when i was younger that was my gear of preference but i would brake out on my back like crazy from it. Im trying to stay away from the side affects which i barely got from the primo. So being that its my gear of choice and i had no issues with the cycle i ran last year except i would like a little more gains i would add a shoot of Enanthate in a week.
Bro, you've got a lot of reading to do. You broke out while on enth because of estrogen. You haven't mentioned anything about aromatase inhibitors in any form. I suggest reading as much as you can in the beginners cycle forum before you attempt to run this cycle. Good luck.
Thanks for the heads up. Just as a curiosity cause i like Proviron and from what i know it fights the estrogen can i use it instead of Anastrozolen for that porpose. Reason being is I've had good experience with it making me solid, reducing water weight and making my vanes pop out so would be my drug of choice.
Proviron does have a binding affinity to the aromatase enzyme that converts testosterone into estrogen. But I wouldn't rely upon it as my sole source for AI. It's a DHT derivative and is very similar in structure to that of masteron. I've actually heard it called an oral masteron by other guys. Go ahead and run if you've had good results with it in the past. But I would definitely include either aro or adex in the cycle as well.
I think for you, it's best to just get back to the basics and run a beginners cycle. Sure youve had some experience pinning, but it seems like you're still in the dark about gear in general. Drop the primo and run enanthate only at 500mg/week split Monday and thursday. Although both compounds are relatively mild, you should never run two oral steroids at the same time. It would probably be fine for you to run one of them for a maximum of 6 weeks. Make sure you run a good liver supplement along with them. You need to do a lot more research regarding pct and I didn't catch any mention of an on cycle AI. What are your plans there?
this is where i got the idea for the primo and anavar cycle but just ran it longer. Im new to this so if for some reason i can't post this just let me know and ill take it down
Weeks 1-10: 400mg Primobolan per week. 2x per week. ( Ex: Sun & Wed)
Weeks 1-10: 40mgs GP Oxan per day
A cycle for those looking for quality gains without bloat or other unwanted side effects. Primobolan is considered by many to be the “perfect” steroid for solid gains without bloat or harsh natural testosterone suppression. GP Oxan (Anavar) is often looked at as the oral equal for such results. This is a great cycle for those looking to maintain an aesthetic athletic looking for physique. Perfect for those who compete in sports. Users of this cycle can expect to make slow steady gains in both muscle mass and strength. Users are encouraged to keep protein and amino acid intake high in order to take full advantage of the superior nitrogen retention and recovery provided by Primobolan.
16 weeks of var is just Fucking insane. Why are u running the test so low? I would rather u do a cycle log so we can all help u adjust.
Thanks i appreciate it. I forgot to mention when i ran the primo and anavar last year i was also taking 50 mg of proviron.a day for about the final 12 weeks of the cycle. I did my research on it before taking it and its suppose to be very mild on the liver. Apparently it is because last year before i started my gear i had blood work done to make sure i was good to go. My Ast liver enzymes where slightly elevated at 58 and my Ast at 69. Normal liver enzymes rang is between 0 to 40 for Ast and 0 to 55 for Alt. I finished my cycle around i would say aug or sep and just got my blood work done again like 3 weeks ago and both my Ast and Alt are in the 20's which i would of never expected lol. Also my Bun/creating ratio was slightly elevated last year at 22 when normal rang is 8 to 19. They didn't tell me the exact number but said there back in normal rang as well.
I wouldnt reccomend running an oral for 16 weeks, especially if your liver just recently got back to normal..... Ill leave the rest to the vets to chime in on.