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40 Yr old, need a little help w/my TRT

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I'm kind of new here.
I'm 40, been on TRT for a couple of years. I attribute my Low-T to my abuse of roids at an early age.
My doc gives 200mgs Test Cyp 1xWeek. That's it, nothing more.

I know that TRT is far more effective when HCG and a anti-estrogen are used in conjunction.
My problem is that I have no idea how much of each to take.

I haven't used roids, other than my TRT for over 11 years but I still have a little bit of my old stash.
I have some HCG and some Nolvadex. I know that arimidex is supposed to be much better than nolvadex so I plan to get some but I'd like to use up the Nolv 1st.

I've been poking around on Crisler's site but I haven't found answers to my questions just yet.
so my questions are...
does anyone really know the correct dose of HCG (not overdose) to take with TRT
does anyone know the correct dose of Arimidex to take with TRT.

also, is it worth using up the nolvadex? if so, what is the recommended dose?

thanks for any answers!

jasm87's picture

Hello mate, how high is the e2? Before commencing HCG which can aromatise, you'll have to know how much conversion takes place through bloods and symptoms - do you get bloat as well as any other effects from estrogen? Taking an ai such as 'arimidex' and such would be beneficial if you have a higher e2 level but discuss this with your doctor as well as the use of HCG. The use of 'nolvadex' is not as beneficial as the use of an ai such as 'arimidex' as it is a SERM, used as apart of a pct.

UncleYoked's picture

I wouldn't mess with the nolva as your on cycle AI especially if it's 11+ years old. Get some quality aromasin and run it at 12.5mg eod. The dosage your doc has you on is great for TRT purposes. Remember, he's simply trying to get you back into the normal parameters for test. Most guys, like myself, only get 250mg of cyp every other week. HCG on cycle is a gray area for me. When I've ran it on cycle, the only thing I got from it was the cosmetic advantage of fuller testicles. I'm not concerned about that any more.

UncleYoked's picture

And your adex dosage should be in the neighborhood of around .25mg eod. If that starts to dry you out too much, you could bump it to e3d. I don't recommend adex to anyone any longer do to a much more clearer understanding of estro rebound and the issues related with that. Aro is much better because it attaches and kills the aromatase enzyme by suicide inhibition. Where as adex simply binds to the enzyme and blocks it, only to be released later.

Jake111's picture

Thanks YMF'r. Yeah, I know what my doc is trying to do, just trying to make me feel normal and I'm cool with it.
I used a lot of everything from age 17 to 28 but never really knew how to correctly use HCG or Nolv..
I know why you suggest not using the Nolvadex and I understand, (not because it's old)
sorry to be a noob to internet terminology but is Adex = Arimidex(Anastrozole)?
thanks!

Also,
I think I've recently read something pretty convincing as to why it's good to use a small dose of HCG w/TRT. If I can find it I'll send it to you.
I'm not using any HCG now, just investigating if I should and if any others on TRT are using with any long term success.

UncleYoked's picture

Yes adex is referring to arimedex. Does your doc have your blood tests scheduled for every three months? If so then its time to learn how to blast and cruise. You'll blast with a full blown cycle of say 8-10 weeks then back off that into a cruise, which is simply your TRT dosage. That will allow adequate time for the gear you ran on your blast to clear out, leaving only your TRT dosage to reflect in your blood work.

Jake111's picture

shit no, he seems me 1x/year, that's it. no blood work in between. I'm honestly not sure he even tested my testosterone last time which was almost 1 year ago. I have access online to my test results. It looks like the last time he tested my testosterone was in 2010 (it was 170).
The #1 thing he is looking at, and has a problem with is my red blood, specifically hematocrit. Apparently, hct can increase above normal on TRT. High hct isn't good because it makes you blood abnormally think. He said you can get "sludge". He's all over it. Normal is 39-51. I'm at 53, but it's gone up every year since I started the TRT.
I'm going to call his office tomorrow and ask for my yearly physical so I can add some new stuff to my regimen.

2 things for you,
(1) what specific testing should I ask for?
(2) I'm really interested in "blast and cruise"

UncleYoked's picture

Just tell them you want a full panel including test and estro levels, RBC, CBC, etc. Try donating blood. That will help with the sludge you referred to. Blasting and cruising is great. No more pct and for me, I'm constantly customizing my cycles to fit my particular needs at that time. It also means you can run multiple cycles per year instead on just one or two at best. Your cycles are blasts and cruising is just the break you take off cycle, running your TRT dose of test only. You're on test from now on brother. The question is how frequently you wish to inject. I run short esters while I'm blasting and long estered test while I'm cruising. Allows me to inject once a week and give my injection sites a break.