posted Mon, 12/10/2012 - 10:08
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kickstarting with m1t
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Anybody very try this stuff? I am interested with using it to kickstart test but am a little hesitant as I have read it could have some pretty harsh side effects. Btw this will be my 2nd cycle, first cycle was just test enth. 26 years old 5'10 210-215 pounds 12-15% body fat
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Ya it would be nice to know what your trying to achieve. It should be ran no longer than 4-6 wks. It converts to estrogen big time and is pretty damn hepatoxic which means its bad on the liver hence why it's only ran a short period. Def use milk thistle and liver supps. It can be used as a kickstart but why not just use dbol?
If your trying to lean out use Anavar not methyltest. Maybe try low dose test enan like 300-400 mg per wk and EQ 600-800mg per wk with anavar kickstart and winny at the end
Anonok thanks for the input, same goes for you fast. However, I still plan on using it in a bulk cycle in the future. I was under the impression it doesnt convert to estrogen, and the bloat comes from progesterone activity like with anadrol. If i used caber or prami would that eliminate some of the bloat, along with exemestane and 12.5 eod?
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkwait what? are we talking about Methyltrienolone or methyltestosterone? because methyltren may convert to progesterone , but methyltest converts HIGHLY to estrogen. It's just plain old testosterone with a an added methyl group at c-17 , which slows down liver breakdown. Methyltest was basically the original oral steroid, because it was the first to really have high oral bioactivity. It converts to a "super estrogen" called methylestradiol, which is A LOT more active than regular estradiol just like methyltest is more active than test enanthate. 25-50 mg of methyltest will do, but please note that if you are looking for that hard lean bulk look, this is definitely not for you. This shit pulls more water than anadrol or dbol and u better have an AI like letro on hand just in case. Stick with Winny or Anavar for the look you want
AnonI dont think we are talkng about the same thing. Methyltestosterone and Methyl-1-testosterone are different arnt they? I read on multiple different pages that m1t, or methyl-1-testosterone, does not convert to estrogen and that the bloat may be caused by a different pathway such a progesterone reception. If you want, you can pm me and i can tell you where i read it. Not saying your wrong or right, but just stating the information I gathered
Methyl 1 test is severely harsh on liver. Gives no gains in mass. Used only as aggression booster.
Goals?
AnonLEAN mass and strength for the first 6-8 weeks of the cycle, then focus on dropping some extra fat and leaning out towards the end of the cycle, if that makes sense lol
Prop kicker and tbol finish. Or prop kick and var finish. Food dictates goals. Those options are much less toxic.
Anonalso i was planning on a prop finisher instead of kicker when the enth is clearing my system, want to get another long ester cycle in me before having to pin ed or eod.
Anonhave you ever used tbol fast?
Not yet but after seeing everyones posts on it i should. And yes, a taper is great idea. I usually use prop because i can have variety of finishers. Double dippin 17aa's is just harsh.
Anonok good to know, whats the verdict on tbol btw, I have read its kinda like a cross between dbol and var, not quite the strength and mass gains of dbol but dry gains like var?
Tweaked dbol. Drier but slow quality muscle added. Didn't hear anyone have the dbol energy crash either. I prefer drier cycles but im close to goal weight.
AnonI agree on the dry ompounds. I don't want the be any heavier than 225 but I have alot of leaning up to do, and muscle to gain lol