posted Mon, 10/22/2012 - 15:00
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+ 1 Toxicity. Short and long esters
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Ok Ladies and Gents, What is harder on your body? Is a short ester less toxic as it is metabolised faster in the body and the levels decrease, and as such we need to pin more often to keep the values up. Is this harder on the body than say the same mg of a longer ester that is in the system for a greater period and doesn't require as frequent addministration. Lets say that they are both the same compound just with the differing ester. Just throwing this out there to get people thinking.
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it takes more energy to remove an ester like enanthate than it does propionate but the toxicity would lie in the parent compound, in this case testosterone. i believe that if you had equivalent doses of prop and enanthate that you would have equal toxicity. you run prop in shorter cycles or blasts than enan so for this reason it would be less toxic
Ok now we are on the right track. This is the way I was hoping this thread would go. Thanks mate
Well hmm, doctors prescribe a long esther, yet the stuff they were prescribing sounds like it may have a long chain of meningitis here in the new england state. Well prop is like 86% and enanthate is somewhere in the 60 % range. So your asking what happens to the remaining that's not bio available. Then you have to figure in purity of the raw. Yet when I do a cycle of short esther I pump three times th oil in my body. This is th million dollar question. I like the low water retention on short esther, but the ed pins get really old after a 8 week cycle. All together though its going to effect you either way in slightly different ways.
Well I think docs give long esters for a more stable blood level of free test and as such only have to pin once every week or so. The. main thing I am after here is does a short ester place more stress on the body than a long ester compound or vice versa. I am just trying to get people to think a bit mate and come up with some pro's and con's for both. I really want this to be an informitive thread for all to partcicpate in. Thanks for your input bro
Toxicity or fluctuations? Toxicity pops up with 17aa compounds while fluctuations is covered by ester and pinning times.
Talking about the strees on the body to break down an artificial substance in the body. Every thing that enters the body is broken down and processed by the liver and kidnies to remove the waste products and filter those out. Thats what I am trying to get out there brother. Not talking about any 1 compound in particular just a conversation thread to get people involved in something a little different than the usual.
Then when possible i prefer the 8 week in and out. Less recovery time needed. Less stress to the body. Just have to plan well to meet your goals since shorter cycle.
Yeah thats what I do as well, although I blast and cruise for 8 on and 8 off. Thanks mate
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