need best aas for strength but zero weight gain??
hey everyone,
ive got a few questions im hoping someone can help me with...im not new to aas but have only ever run bulking cycles. i was never concerned about where my weight was at when i was cycling. my goals have changed a little bit and i am now very much into the powerlifting side...i generally run about 170 or so when im not running anything and i am going to compete at 165 lbs...im looking for the best compound(s) or experiences people have had with certain ones that will help me with strength and minimal to zero weight gain...i have been on here reading up and i do see var is a good choice but for cost im not too sure i want an oral only cycle. i have run tren before in a cycle and it doesnt screw with me like some peoples side effects but that was when i was walking around at about 200 lbs with 10% or so bf. so any information would be appreciated. id like to run as few compounds as possible also, so the more basic the better....thanks for all the help and hopefully some great info.
- Bookmark
- 0
- 0
How about a test/tren/halo cycle?
zewiSMH!!
Edit: fuck it anyone dumb enough to listen to this deserves what they get
considered but halo has bad rep kinda and not sure if im ready for that. run test and tren before and it was awesome. but i put on about 20 lbs. i could pull tree trunks out of the ground though damn near!
1jakd_hipyProlly should have asked this a while ago but what are you stats and 1RM? Also is it geared or raw?
1jakd_hipyAre you getting ready for a powerlifting meet?
there is one in november i am considering but most likely wont enter but for sure i will be doing one usapl i believe in january
1jakd_hipyWhat I would recommend is stick to the prop as Zewi wrote (maybe add Tren A @50mg) drop the Anavar and the last 2-3 weeks before your meet run Drol at 100mg ED. I would say skip the November meet do a test run this winter and see what works and how it affects you. Also if your serious about powerlifting eventually your going to have to consider cruising all the top level do and them up their orals before the meet
If he's making weight class...won't drol load that water n bump him up a class? Just peepin his goals of keepin low weight.
1jakd_hipyFor me Drol doesn't put on water weight anywhere near Dbol, but that's also why I said do a test run and see what happens... All the top lifter run Drol Pre meet, that's where the infamous nose bleeds come from when they squat
Oh ya! The heavy weights hit it precontest for the aggro too. Thanks for the info. Many guys here hit drol as kicker for bulk so seeing different uses is helpful!
1jakd_hipyNot just the heavy weight either bro, I have an associate who trained at westside for like 7 years and he said everyone would run it. If I don't get to drunk tonight I'll hit him up and get the exact protocol.
1jakd_hipyAlso, this probably you already know but for people who are considering competing make sure to backwards plan from your meet as far as training goes you wanna make sure your deload week is the week prior
thanks for the info...i have read up on halo, even tho im not a novice, i dont think i want to touch it even with its benefits...ive been checkin in to prop because i probably wouldnt run a cycle without a test base but ive only run long acting ones that hold a lot of water...my bf right now is 12-14 or so...i am lean so thats a good guess. i could afford to lose some tho and replace it with muscle. im not saying im gonna go out and run the short cycle that was offered up (thank you) but i will consider it. i should have wrote the OP differently and basically stated the question as "which compounds affect you the least with weight gain but still bring strength?" thanks for all the input, if anyone has anything else to offer, more info is greatly appreciated...thanks for the super fast replys
zewi"which compounds affect you the least with weight gain but still bring strength?"
Anavar, Mast p, proviron---but you need a test base, so since these are short orals meaning you only take 4-6 weeks. than you use test p as your base.
thanks, ya obviously im not worried about gaining weight if its quality muscle, ill just have to lift at a different weight class, but as far as water retention and factors i can sort of control, thats what i was looking to minimize...can u expect the same sort of gains tho on prop as you can on test e or c? minus that fact you run them different lengths of time...sorry for a million follow ups...
zewi"can u expect the same sort of gains tho on prop as you can on test e or c?"
yes but its dryer and less watery.. Also you taking it on a shorty cycle will help your goals were you gain dry lean muscle but not to much while gaining strength and trying to stay in a certain weight class.
Your diet will be key.. if your Diet is money--you can pull off what you want on a cycle like this.. Some muscle but with great strength while still staying in your weight class.
sounds good....at least diet i can control easier than how a compound is going to affect me...ill keep researching but so far the info has been great...
cdaddy7Maybe this will help bro bc its all about the diet
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/nurition...
prop and halotestin. youll put on minimal water, but gain mad aggression/ strength
Halo = pure evil. I'm a real placid bloke, last time I touched halo I nearly ripped some poor guys head off over some stupid road rage.
Halo....the most toxic compound.
X's 2..Wish the crap didn't even exist. I've ran it twice so far. Not worth it either time. Mind you this was low dose too! Like 20mg's the first time. And 30mg's the second time.5 weeks both times. Yes it can make you stupid strong. And if you think tren has some nasty sides? Bwahhahahahaha! Try dancing with the devil himself. Ain't worth it if you ask me.
Some 20yrs ago when duchaine plodded the soils. Other so called gurus in gym promoted its solo use. So glad i didnt try it. Even better is now with eroids we can guide others a lil bit
I just wish eroids was around back in the day..Sure would have saved me truck loads of grief. just wish the people would really listen to what others have to say. They will end up making the same dumbassed mistakes I did..And for no reason. People here go out of their way to help. Like the old saying..You can lead a horse to water.
btw the compounds i have run are test e+c, tren ace, winny (oral), and sust...not all at the same time but those are the various compounds i have run in different cycles. ive never run prop or any cutting compounds except the winny, so i was looking to see what kind of weight or "non-weight" gains you would be looking at with the "cutting" type of compounds...thanks for the advice so far tho, im taking it in...
Zewi just posted a very dry/lean run for ya. If you eat super clean....the fat loss will replace muscle gain. Weight change minimal if diet is spot on. Regardless...muscle is just heavy.
ok i understand stength is mass or vice versa, i didnt really mean zero weight gain but i meant minimal...to Nitti, please check again because i said i DIDNT want to run orals, even though i had read var would help. its not that i dont want mass, its that the mass will push me outside the weight class and im already cardio + decent calorie reduction to maintain 165ish...bulking up to the 181 class is a possibility but then im also competing against bigger + stronger competition...
Zewi has got you fixed up then bro. Read below
My mistake. I'm dislexic sometimes. In that case everyone below is right. There is no way you're not going to gain some weight with a strong androgen (which is what give the strength gains)
zewiwell in all honesty IMO your going to gain weight however there really is not much i can come up with except this...since your BF is low( i assume low.)
I would run quick 4-6 week burst..
1-6 Test P @ 75mg Monday Tuesday Thursday Friday
1-6 Anavar @ 50mg ED
if not Anavar--Mast p @ 75mg Monday Tuesday Thursday Friday
sorry to reply to an old thread but i just keep reading and reading about all the info in this thread. i have not ordered anything yet because i want to make sure i get everything decided and spot on before i commit. in your opinion which of the anavar/masteron compounds are going to have the least water retention/weight gain? ive seen varied opinions on which one is better. i have never run test p but i have pinned EOD before and do not have a problem with it. ill get the strength from the test and want to add a little more but still minimize weight. its been hard to find a comparison of mast vs var on this forum but ive been searchin my ass off. thanks
quick follow up question to your cycle example. in my previous cycles i was running test e or c at anywhere from 500-600mg/wk. if im using test p at 75 for 4 days/wk im only gettin 300mg/wk....is that going to be as beneficial as the 500mg of test from my previous cycles or were you using 300 because im trying to keep in my weight class? obviously the var may make up the difference??? thanks...
zewiTEST IS TEST brother. Just cause you take 1000mg doesn't mean someone at 500mg will not grow as much as you.. Your Diet is the most important...
300mg is more than enough its a short ester so you don't have to worry about the water weight that will come with a long ester. Anavar will make up the rest. Also you will gain the strength your looking for without putting to much muscle on and to much water so you stay in your weight class.
alright thanks, i just remember reading up when i was going to do my first cycle and the general consensus was 500mg/wk of test was sort of the standard at least for test c and e. thats the only reason i was questioning the dosage of the prop. i get it though the more im injecting the more results i would probably get(weight wise) up to a certain point. if 300mg/wk is suffice then that should work. im undecided on the anavar tho, should i consider upping the prop dosage if i go without an oral? or would i possibly start carrying more weight (water)with that amount (say 450-500mg/wk)? btw you are doin a hell of a job with the replys. sincerely appreciated...
zewiwould would carry more.---If you dont like the anavar.. than take mast p @ 100mg EOD. You BF is low enough..
Building strength without adding mass is self contradictory. To add strength you need more muscle which = weight.
neural factors come into play. look @ olympic lifters who have to maintain strict bw but keep posting higher #s every 4 years.
AnonI dont think zero weight gain is possible with any compound. As far as strength over weight gaining compounds why not stick to tren or halotestin.
Dammit! I didn't want to say it and didn't think anyone else would. Hopefully now he doesn't go looking for halo. Halo won't put weight on you only experience. It's a TERRIBLE IDEA to run that alone or at all IMO.
cdaddy7You got 3 vets agreeing and now you got 4....NO,NO,NO bro
zewiX4
cdaddy7You're 5!!!
Dont do it. Strength builds mass...mass is weight.
Forget it.
If you're on gear and training, you ARE going to gain weight.
End of story.
I'm not trying to brush you off, but that's just the facts.
There are compounds that will help with your goals but I don't believe they are the greatest decision. Especially since you're looking for oral only. Please reconsider your oral only mission. It's unhealthy on so many levels and the compounds that tend to help with strength and zero weight gain, tend to be the most toxic!