Okay to use Nolva during cycle with AI?
current stats: 31, 190 13% BF, serious weight lifting 5+ years. Okay so I'm currently begining week 3 500 test E, anastrozole .250mg ED and will use Nolva/clomid for PCT. My questions is I had very small amount of prexsisting GYNO from Propecia, nothing major just noticed a little extra fat around the chest and small bump under right nipple. Was never really an issue until this cycle now my nipples are sensative and feels almost like a buring sensation at times in my chest (not all the time), is this normal while on anastrozole? I order some letro but will take a while to come in, meantime is good to added in some Nolva while I wait along with using Anastrozole? and if so at what dose? Looking for someone Vets who have experience regarding this not just peps repeating what they read (as no one seems to agree;), Thanks!
Diet is clean 6 meals, low carbs/fat - high protein
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My main advice to you is, never play around with PCT drugs and AI drugs. Make sure that you get legit pharmaceuticals. I realize there are some legitimate research chemical companies out there, but I play it very safe when it comes to this sort of thing. If you need a good source for real human grade pharmaceutical products just PM me or something.
So this brings me to my next question. What kind of Arimidex are you using? Is it UG Lab, Research Chem, or Human grade?
As for now, I would definitely start taking Nolvadex, as it's your last resort until your letro comes in. Contrary to popular belief Nolvadex will NOT reverse gyno once tissue has formed, but if all you have are pre-gyno symptoms like sensitivity, and puffiness, then Nolva can definitely be of great benefit to you right now.
You need to start taking some nolva, and hope that it's legit. In the meantime order some Letro as soon as possible, like I said, I don't fool around, I would go with Human grade. Although for Letro, I've heard great things, and seem some positive blood tests for the Letro from purchasepeptides.com, never tried it myself though, I use fempro tabs. (Really, friend and message me so I can send you that source, gyno is nothing to play around with.)
Good Stuff, I have some Letro on the way from RS, the Anastrozole I have is Anastrozol from Balkan Pharmaceuticals, Appreciate the sound advice and friend request.
Couldn't agree more!!
I know there is some bunk shit going around from certain labs. My boy ran some arimidex at .5 or even at .75 and did nothing.
cdaddy7Uncle G what's ur take sir?
I think u hit the nail on the head. The facets of why the adex haven't prevented his gyno from progressing could be either the dose of adex is too low, his body is not responsive to adex like some of us or ultimately it may be no good. Roidseek IMO has quality gear so I would lean towards the first two. In regards to the Nolva question, many old school cats only had Nolva back in the day to deal with Gyno and they swear it works. I believe that although it may indeed work it isn't the most efficient med out there for Gyno. Letro is proven to be the most effective product on the market for Gyno suppression. BigRig hit me up in PM cuz I know of Lab proven Letro that a member Hollywoodham is using and his bloods came back with a E2 of 6.0. That's as good as u get IMO. So in the meantime I'm all for throwing the kitchen sink at this until he gets the letro. Increase the Adex to .5mg eodand gauge symptoms. If still there increase to 1mg eod. If nothing then id bust out the Nolva, I'd start w/20mg of Nolva daily and look for any signs of suppression. If none then bump it up in increments of 10mg. If you achieve some suppression while using the Nolva you consider to not stop it when the Letro comes in. Add the Letro to the Nolva dose. Or you may get zero suppression and decide to pull the plug on the Nolva altogether.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-E* nolva
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **
For Letro use only no nolva or adex
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **
This protocol is the same protocol I have put a co worker on and achieved full gyno suppression. It can be found here:
http://www.basskilleronline.com/gynoprevention.shtml
He also needs to consider that the Gyno may not be reversible and in which case surgery may be the only option. But it sounds like it hasn't progressed to that points yet.
Thanks GS, this is what I was looking for! I noticed several replies were Adex EOD at .5 Im doing .25 Every Day - do you think it matters in regard to frequency? I'm going to go ahead and start with 20mg Nolva tonight and see if I show any result. Do you recommend continuing with the adex meanwhile or discontinue altogether? (20 nolva ed, .5 eod adex). I read some mixed reviews regarding the combo
I would continue with the Adex for now. It goes back to the Fact that adex can cause estro rebound when discontinued. Last thing u want now is to have an estrogen spike with Gyno symptoms. It's one of the reasons why I only use Aromasin. Aromasin essentially kills the Aromatase enzyme so a rebound is not possible.
cdaddy7I love Uncle G!!! Awesome protocol and u learn me something today, thanks!
should only take 4 days to get a AI in USA. Where did you get your AI? Where did you get the test?
roidsseek (adex); steroidsftw (cidoteston)
I was going to guess that the test was loaded with Estradiol Benzoate from being a home brew. I would think about going and getting blood work done. I just sent you a Friend request.
cdaddy7I encourage u to consider running that letro in PCT. The newer studies now have shown it to be beneficial to integrate it in PCT with nolva and Clomid. Proper PCT is one of the key factors in having a complete and successful cycle. Which is even more so important now that u have developed a mild case of gyno. It will show up more than likely for the rest of ur cycles, but the good news is with proper use of an AI during your cycles and PCT will provide u with more than enough protection to prevent further growth.
Cdaddy, have you ever used Letro in a PCT, any rebound after? That is certiannly something for me to ponder on as I prefer not to go so strong while on cycle. What dose and for how long, I also have clomid on hand but prefer nolva and have had good result PCT with just nolva.
cdaddy7Aromasin in the PCT with nolva/clomid is to make the rebound minimal
Read his symptoms hes having now please...i'm off. Wondering whats up with his adex? Too much or bunk?
cdaddy7I would gather 2 things :
1. He's a non responder like me and GS and aromasin is the choice for him
Or
2. It's bunk
I think the dose is high enough for those mild symptoms. I would take the nolva with adex at this point until the letro arrives. If It's bunk it not gonna hurt anyways. Nolva load dose 80mg tonight bc i encourage nite dose bc that when hormones tend to raise. Then drop to 40 until burning stops and symptoms cease then hold at 20 until letro comes in. Just want to slow the progress of the gyno until ur AI arrives. He can up the adex to 1mg just to see but i don't think it will help bc of my two points above
cdaddy7I will be using this exact same PCT for my next cycle:
Start PCT 15 days after last test E shot
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
***I now encourage Aromasin 12.5mg EOD to be included in your PCT based on the recent research that has sufaced. It shows to be even more beneficial and you want to optimize your cyle gains and ease the possible depression that can com from the hormone fluctuation from the sudden drop in test and high level of estro left. U def need both nolva and clomid in your PCT if nothing else. PCT to me is one the most important key aspects in having a complete, succesful cycle.
.25 of arimidex should work for you. Everyone is different so we all react differently to different dosages of test. At 500mg a week .25 eod should be good unless your gyno prone. Then maybe bump it up to .50 eod. Letrozole is a last resort to help,get rid of existing gyno built up on cycle.
+1 good info...can you find out if he has bunk adex. Lately there's been a problem with a reseller. I'm off..thanks bro
.25 every day? Sounds like maybe yoyr adex is bunk. .25 every other day usually keeps life happy. Letro is for emergencies. Did you get adex from mpr? Tabs? Liquid? Shaking the crap outta liquid?
well I got it from a source recommend here with good review, also I think it's legit as I can feel it's effects shortly after taking, hot flashes, moody, sweaty hands, joints. With such a low dose of test which really hasnt even kicked into full swing (just going into week 3). But with that said I am not 100% sure (tabs BTW). Can we state source in here? Yeah didnt want to jump into letro if I didnt have too thats stuffs effects my gains, but it's looking like I'm running out of options.
Letro is for a current flareup. Click on my name...cluck pix...i'm on their aromasin right now. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor...it attaches and won't let go til the estro dies off. 12.5Mg/day. I went with aromadin because it doesn't have estro rebound. They deliver domestic in bout two days. Mpresearch used to have good ratings...if that'd the one. But painful nips just sounds off. Adex that you're on is an every other day tab.
Supernova283He said he has preexisting gyno. He'd probably want to try to use letro for that.
Also I agree, most likely bunk stuff. Try to get some from a different reliable source ASAP.