posted Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:31
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tbol vs anavar to kick a cycle
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hello guys, im just wondering what you guys think about this 2 compounds and which is the best for lean muscle?
i know tbol is cheaper but from a heard anavar creates more hardness and definition.
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Anontbol, even though im like the rest test p.
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Prop kicker....var finisher
Stevebx2 but Var at 60mg min
The joy of being new at juice is how fast the body is at growing on even smaller cycles. All those fresh receptors screaming for the fire. Some grow easy on light cycles...others need high doses. Listening to the body is key. 30mgs Winny ladt time i ran oral Winny had me so damn pumped in the gym i HAD to take five between sets. And at that lil dose i literally needed no sleep. Quite annoying actually...but very effective.
what i never understood is why use dbol if tbol will give you the same benefits without as much water retention?
good point, SOMEBODY SHOULD ANSWER THAT, I always wondered why
Tbol is related but chemically NOT the same. It's slower as a kicker and relies on 6Weeks for effects you're looking for. When looking at your cycle you need to consider the whole picture...not just the kickets but finishers as well. Personally i wouldn't have both a 17aa kicker and finisher. I woul also not advise a 17aa where someone is finishing with tren. Your liver takes enough abuse on cycle so looking at the whole is important. Now you can kick with the tbol because it can promote dry strength but you finisher IF one is chosen would be something less harsh like masteron or prop. Typically i advise prop because you're getting the test results fast and can open endedly puck all your finishers without as much worry on liver values. Some of the harshest nasty chemicals give the best growth results but consider the estro, ai, finisher and goals.
whats your opinion on how effective tbol vs dbol is as a kicker ? if one can take tbol instead of dbol and have less bloat and same strength/gain advantage then tbol is def the way to go. i prefer prop all the way through cycle, start to finish but some dont like the ed or eod dosage, i dont mind, it becomes like taking a daily vitamin to me, just takes longer. i add in proviron throughout the cycle to free up test and for its mild estro blocking ability and hardens me up while gaining at the same time. i also run 4iu of rip/hyge combo tag team setup.
zewidepends on your goals. I like test p myself. However, Bulking cycle go with Dbol, dry cycle go with Tbol.
if your going to lose the bulk (water weight) from dbol then why not tbol? does dbol have more of a kick to it than tbol? im not doubting your opinion, i use test p and agree its the best way to go, steady from begining to end, no ups and downs from orals and oils and then dropping orals, but for those who would prefer to use tbol or dbol, i wonder if one is better or if you lose the artificial look from dbol (water) down to the level you would be at with tbol instead. i think a new thead is called for, i'll start one in a few, just trying to think of a way of wording the topic without beating a dead horse "dbol vs tbol as kicker?".
When i was lighter and ran dbol the alnost immediate strength gain and focus were nice. Now that i hover around my goal body weight and staying lean is important i prefer simple prop. I have less liver worry that way. Prop kick then i can choose a var/masr finisher and know I'll be fine. The main issue to me is being able to have more options. Hitting a heavy liver buster means you start out having to be careful on all aspects. Lots of folks do like the Bols....but their goals are different.
zewiDbol has more of a kick than tbol. However, with that comes more sides. Dbol harder on the liver than tbol. But again they work the same. That's why in most cycles you see Dbol weeks 1-4 and tbol weeks 1-6.
i wonder if tbol at higher dose 1-4 would be better
zewinope.. More doesn't always mean better. That's like saying i had really great results from test e @ 750mg, i should make it 1000mg @ week.
CleyonThere is also a lot of information available on declining gains during long duration usage. If you are using DBol, TBol, or any other AA17 for more than six weeks the science shows that the gains will not continue at the same rate. Before people understood the health risks, they started cycling due to the decreasing gains they were getting.
Diet determines lean muscle but if you want to know anavar is great for leaning out the mid section.
Two totaly different thing! Tbo=kick, var=sustain/ end
IMO Tbol is a better kicker but nothing beats prop for a kicker. Var is a finisher best ran for 6-8 wks with liver support at the end of cycle.
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now heres my question. can i run tbol and var? 2 orals in the same cycle. one in the beginning one in the end? not overkill?
zewiyou can.. its not uncommon. just have your liver support. IMO you shouldn't all the time. But from time to time to reach a goal sure.
to me it all depends on which orals, are the liquid or tab.
zewi, whats your opinion about liquid orals?
besides the nasty taste they usually have...have you had any success using then or you prefer tabs?
zewiliquid hits you faster cause your liver doesn't have to break down as much. liquid is better, but still hard on the liver.
that sounds about right
lets say both are obtainable. which would be optimal?
zewiTbol at the start .. Anavar at the end.
lol. yes. i know that. i mean which would be better, liquids or tabs?
zewiliquid hits you faster cause your liver doesn't have to break down as much. liquid is better, but still hard on the liver.
nice to know. thanks.
zewianytime brother.
zewiANAVAR IS NOT A KICK..
Examples of end cycle
ANAVAR
winny
mast
Start cycle
Dbol
Tbol
Test P
Now go do research on what ANAVAR IS!
Then after that go do research all of them and you will understand why they are used as kick starts or end cycle.
that makes sence,
i have some liquid oral anavar that i will use the last 8 weeks of my cycle.
test p 1-4 150mgeod
test e 1-16 600mg weekly
equipoise 1-16 600mg weekly
test p 16-18 100mg eod
anavar 10-18 100mg ed
pct nolva and clomid..
special thanks to fast48 and zewi for helping to put my fall cycle together.
cdaddy7The beast is Back!!!!
LMAO! Good shit Zewi!
cdaddy7What your asking is two different questions....ur top says to kick cycle and ur post says best for lean muscle....Give me some stats plz and I will give u some sound advice
anvar to kick a cycle? really? anavar would be a horrible kick. it would shut you down waiting for the long ester to kick in. tbol or prop.
why dont you just use test prop? easier on the liver, plus the gains are going to be kept better than dbol. that's just my opinion tho, do a 150mg eod for the first 4 weeks along with your other compounds.
thank you for the suggestion..
ill give the test p kicker a try..
yea man since your already going to be run test, prop is a great way to start it off and it will break down fast , hitting the system quick. better than any water bloat that your going to get with the oral..
Anonexcellent idea, lean mass with prop
Anonif your bf is low go with anavar. wont get much out of it if its not but some strength. But tbol is like a dbol without much bloat. some size with strength.