-12 This ones for all the young guys and newbies - neg me if you want im just speaking open!
Hey so I thought Id post this for everyone young like me 19-25.
The reason I am posting this is because it seems everytime we post on here we get hit with the too young or the no experience or not training long enough or w.e it is.
First I will speak for myself, I am 22 years old I have been training since I was 14 years old. I never touched a thing until 18 and the only reason I did was because it kept being pushed on me and I gave in.. and unfortunately it was a dumb choice. I didnt know better and I took d bol for 12 weeks. after this I never touched roids again until about 3 months ago. I am cetified trainer as well as in college for fitness and training. I know my shit and if you knew me you would know I am a freak when it comes to working out, my parents my friends will tell you I am obsessed but I am just vey very dedicated. people were making me take days off I hated taking one day off. I give my heart to this and I want to be a fitness model in the future and I will do it with every shed of blood tears and sweat I have.
So when you wanna talk about me taking the easy way out, who the fuck are you to judge me we are on a steroid forum!!? Some even most just take steroids to be big to be strong to w.e I do it because its my dreams and passion to be on top some day.
So when I ask a question, please give me the answer dont speak to me about some shit that has nothing to do with my question.
To all you young guys, we all have our reasons for being there and like me I hope they are good ones.
I may get negged fo this or given a speech but honestly thats okay I am speaking my mind and I think even tho we are the babies of the forum we dont deserve to be treated like em..
no before I sound like a total asshole I also want to say some of you have given me great responses and I appreciate you all for that this place has truly helped me in so many ways. especially FAST48 he is an amazing aid
Also listen us young guys understand you care and know whats up bette than us but if we are on this forum and already have gear and already made our minds then you dont need to tell us we are ready to roll, so just give us the answers we desperately need because only YOU have the answers we need.!
no disrespect to eroids I love this place! thanks for reading and sory if I offended
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cdaddy7I agree i am 38 and faced with peer pressure and the drive to exceed in high school (what an idiot decision I may add) I decided to play with deca at age 17...I still kick my ass for that, but back in the late eighties and early nineties we didn't have the wealth of knowledge of steroids. Dan duchaine was the guru and there was a few others as well so the knowledge was rather minute as one could put it. I didn't grow up until I was thirty and in between age 17-30 and quite a few risky ass cycles and lucked out with minor gyno and halfway functional nuts I wish i would have had a site like this where i could have found seasoned vets for advice and free at that. Look bottom line is ur gonna do what ur gonna do, I can see it in ur post. The best advice I can pitch is read and study the compounds u r contemplating on using and then with an open mind heed the warnings and advice that these vets give bc these are our true experiences and I'm positively sure that if u asked one of us we would love to be in your shoes again with the wisdom and knowledge hard gained and everyone of us would have done things a lil differently. I hope that you ponder those thoughts and whatever u choose to do that you will do the research and make the best possible decision for u and ur body. Hope this helped u out my man in ur quest
I can not speak for everyone but the reason I am blunt with people under 25 is I want to get my point across in a way that might stick. Lets throw out that you might lose your natural test production at a young age and have to take shots your whole life. Really doesn't matter your age you are always risking this. What really matters is your body is still developing. If you ask anyone over the age of 30 what they thought about the choices they made at 18 they would tell you they made stupid ones. As you get older not only does your body mature but your mind does. I am 37 and I will tell you that I really did not grow up until around 30. So if you can not make good choices off AAS you sure as hell can not make them on AAS.
Supernova2833
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This is actually incorrect. Your test levels out at age 25 it doesn't decline. You don't start to decline till much later around 40 or so.
Waiting until you're 25 should be more because your brain isn't developed and using testosterone is going to screw up your brain development.
To: mattyjay25
Had uncle zewi ripped your ass previous to this error, the embarrassment of this post could have been avoided.
zewimy bad i said 25--you got me i meant 30 i just had 25 in my head cause of the poster.. Ill make sure i read through to avoid this mistake Supernova since you like to alwys point out the little things and you are right about the brain.. But than again EVERYONE IS DIFFERNT--and for some low test start at a young age in the 20's because their pituitary is not working correctly, and doesn't make enough LH. But whatever. And your 40 is wrong also. testosterone levels in men peak during the teen and early adult years, then decrease about 1 percent a year after age 30.
my fucking bad..
that was not in reguard to you. That was in reguard to the fact that had you got ahold of "lil matty" before the dbol at age 17 brain may have developed to a point which would have allowed him to re-think this post.
Supernova283True everyone is different. And there is a slow decline after 30, but look at the charts after 40. I thought you meant the sharp decline. Yeah you'll slowly decline after 30 or so, but it's nothing compared to the drop off during "male menopause."
CleyonThere have been several recent studies that seem to suggest the decline in natural male testosterone production coincides with activity level. Men who go inactive earlier in life will lose their test production earlier. This hasn't been studied enough to be stated as pure fact, and there are too many other variables to account for, but the circumstantial evidence definitely exists for this.
Supernova283Definitely.
There are just so many variables as to what affects us and what happens to our body it's incredibly hard to pinpoint things unless they make a tremendous impact.
Kinda makes things difficult to figure out.
CleyonThat's why all anyone can do on here is help people do this in the safest possible way. There are too many variables for anyone to tell you how to do this from a distance.
zewitrue i was talking general.
CleyonMy video response...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMaEcwXsSbQ&feature=plcp
I actually make a cameo appearance in this video at 3:32
I'm stalking a hooker. Oh yeah. BTW nice Romney Sticker in the window Cley. lol.
CleyonShe looked scared, I thought about offering her a ride, but I was in the middle of my rant. How did you see that sticker? I thought they were out of the shot.
You the man cleyon!
Completely encapsulated what we were trying to lay down throughout yesterdays shannanigans... i cracked with the all cock no forehead comment lmao! +3 bro keep it coming it backs up everything the brotherhood stands for... KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!
zewigood stuff right there....
CleyonDoing these videos is really cathartic. I've never been good about keeping a journal, but this is fun!
That a way to shed some light on the subject. Got bright quick didn't it?
CleyonI gave plenty of love! Lol!
better throw some "no homo" on that.
CleyonI don't want the homos to feel unwanted!
First of all it is not a tragedy or negative thing that the vets with aas are trying to keep younger people healthy by discouraging them from using aas. In one breath you blame someone for pushing steroids on you at 18 in the next you condemn people for judging you in an attempt to do the opposite through tough love. That is if I read your above post correctly. One more thing in your above post you wrote, "people were making me take days off ". Some more advice that might piss you off yet that is not my intention, is stop believing that people can make you do anything that you don't already want to do. It will go along way when you want to communicate the facts about yourself as well as judging other people's actions.
The lesson here don't tug on supermans cape
cant be bothered reading all the way through this.. but i agree with u 100% my man, i didnt start gear till i was 23-24, and i'd happily back hand anyone who said that was too young.. who the hell is anyone to judge??? i know 21 yr olds that are in incredible shape and train and eat perfectly and then i see some guys on here post before and after pics, where they are just a fat bastard in their before pics, and are fat bastards but with big arms in their afters.. yet they are still happy to judge others??. everyone loves arnie.. but do we all forget how much gear he was on when he was a TEENAGER this is him before he was 20!!!??? http://www.indianphotos.net/arnold_schwarzenegger_childhood.php
honestly dude, its your life, no one elses, if someones a judgemental prick dont worry about them, i love eroids and you'll always be able to find some great help, but like any community, you'll always find some knobs who need to put in their 2cents..
zewi“i'd happily back hand anyone who said that was too young.” Well uncle zewi is right here.
Look gcgeargold, you are correct in what you said it is your body and it is your choice. However, don’t expect vets and others to agree with you because you want to start AAS at a young age. And because Arnie did, it and everyone else in the 70’s did, I assume it makes it ok. No it doesn’t. Hey they all took 100mg tabs of DboL a day to so I guess we should too.
The reason we say 25 is guess what genius we understand the human body even more today, we understand that buy the time you turn 25 your test starts to decline because your body stops making as much and that continues every year as you get older.
Sure if you want to start at 18-24 go right the fuck ahead. But do not expect too come on here and not get your too young, because we already know at that age your body is producing more than enough test that with a proper diet you will get your body in shape and ready to go if you choose to start AAS. Cause once you start you may never be able to get off, because every one’s body is different one cycle could mean TRT could mean no kids.
When it comes down to it, don’t be so ready to start unless you have done your research, and understand that this is a life, there is no turning back, and any sides that come from it--from taking it to young is on you…. It will not be on us.
Also your first sentence says a lot about you and the rest of the younglings. “cant be bothered reading all the way through this” and that is why the vets get so pissed, take your time and do research read everything. But I guess you and your back hand have it all figured out.
Supernova283This is actually incorrect. Your test levels out at age 25 it doesn't decline. You don't start to decline till much later around 40 or so.
Waiting until you're 25 should be more because your brain isn't developed and using testosterone is going to screw up your brain development.
In other words the dbol at age 17 is responsible for this dudes post?
Supernova283Well not entirely, but yeah. Having huge free test levels while your brain is still maturing isn't a good idea. Could have some nasty effects with development.
its flattering that u think im a youngen but im 27 bordering 28 next month lol, not an oldy obviously but not that young, just saying people shouldnt be so quick to judge, i was in excellent shape even before i started gear, looking fit was all i cared about at the time and i felt like i hit a wall with training, was eating a shit load and benching 3 plates(140kg which i think is around 290-300lbs) for the 6 months prior and couldnt find any increase no matter what i tried without sacrificing my shape, so i did my research and started gear at 23. cant see much wrong with that..
would love to know, if the older guys now that are taking gear, if they were in the same frame of mind as they are now, but 22-23 and had roids easily available, would they HONESTLY, not touch them.. lol
Anonwell since you can't be BOTHERED to read as is the issue with SO many people. You ought to know that if you post something in a public forum you are a FOOL to get upset about what may or may not be said to you in said public forum. These youngsters get offended when someone tells them something they don't want to hear. Don't want to hear it?? KEEP IT TO YOURSELF ;-)
lol not upset at all, maybe have a look at my comment i just made?? its not youngsters that get offended when someone tells them what they dont want to hear, lol thats most people.
Anonupset? who said you were upset? my comment is about people not reading as well as being upset after posting commentary in a public forum and not liking the feedback they receive.
zewiwhy would it. Cause you guys don't give a shit and think you have it all figured out we can tell by the shit ass cycles posted, or the lack of research behind a question. Or this thread...
We do get mad. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY--ITS BECAUSE WE FUCKING CARE...AND GIVE OUR TIME.
YOU YOUNG FUCKS GET MAD CAUSE YOU DON"T GET YOUR WAY OR DON"T LIKE WHAT YOU HERE.... THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!!
hahahahahahaha mate, im 27 bordering 28. so not really a "young fuck" get off ur high horse mate and stop talking down to people, lol so fucking what if they have a difference in opinion to u, does it make u or i right in what we say? no cos its OUR opinion lol. cant believe how worked up some people get over a forum lol.
Lets take a look at the word you used in that santence. OPINION. Definition - a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. The fact that these guys give this information "your too yohng" does not fall under the definition of that word. "your too young" is backed up by scientific fact, research and the educated findings of men far smarter than us. Can you honestly say that it is NOT sound advice?
zewiMy high horse..lmao.. No you can have a difference of opinion all day. And i never talk down to people. However, in this argument, it may sound that way, in my last post.
But i will not change my mind on being to young. However, if you would have read this entire thread you would already have known. That i will support a younger person if they show they have done research, understand what they are doing. But the still will get i think your too young from me, just so the understand.
If you did read this thread which we no you didn't you might get the understanding that. All the vets well help anyone--but don't expect it if you haven't done your research--and even if you have the best cycle, and the best diet and your 21 do not expect us to give the all clear. We still will say we believe you are too young. However, if you make that choice, its not that we wont be here to guide you or answer questions along the way...
Just like i did right now by giving you a run down of this entire thread without you having to read it..
AnonGrrrl walks over to zewi and helps him dismount from his high horse
lol i did read it all after the first comment,
And that's your .02. Maybe you should take the time to read all of this thread. That seems to be the problem here with this. People don't read everything. They only see what they want and not the big picture. Why ask advice when you can't take it. You are right though in saying you can do what you want. But, understand it may not go well with others. So... Who are YOU to judge anyone? Read the whole thread. It will make since.
My .02, and waiting for my backhand.... Yea, right.
bahaha im not judging anyone mate, and didnt see the pics put up of him lol.. but still stand by what i said tho, young doesnt necessarily mean stupid, i've seen plenty of older out of shape gents that shouldnt come close to touching gear tear shreds off younger guys that are asking questions about gear that actually have training and eating down pat and just want to take it that extra step, much rather those guys play with gear than old fat guys that sit at home relying on it to get into any sort of shape.
like i mentioned, arnie was in his teens when he started playing with it, he won mr Universe amateur at 20, mr universe Pro at 21 and mr olympia at 23.. so i think that says enough to the guys that say you shouldnt start before 25. if the particular person has the drive and dedication for it, go for gold.
Just keep not reading everything and you will be fat and playing with your titties one day too.
hahahahaha only titties i'll be playing with belong to the miss's..
zewithere is going to be a lot of +1 in this thread with all the good stuff i read.
Just came back to make a few thumbs up myself to the guys now we are in general... this day we found the passion
zewiyeah a lot of reading.
AnonWhen you post on an open forum you make yourself available to ALL types of opinions and criticisms.. We don't tolerate nastiness here but if you don't want to hear the truth as some of the responders see it then you may want to reconsider what you post.
Holy nutsack Batman. First I would like to put this post into perspective.
Here we have a man who makes the following claims:
Now lets put it into perspective. Click this link and you will get an excellent idea of this mans body.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/45-days-transformation-thus-far-please-tell-m...
Now, I absolutely hate it when someone shows the balls to post a photo and people disrespect them. However, when we have a tool like this come on and make a post like this... Well my negro. I have something to say.
First, If you have been training hard for 8 years you are doing a shitty job and something is wrong.
Second, What Ivy league school certified you as a personal fitness trainer? The university of Pheonix on-line?
Third, I would like a transcript of your grades from the college that you are studying fitness and training from because if you are not failing all of the classes, you need to go to a better school.
Fourth, Please Define Obsessed? Is there a bodybuilding video game that you kick ass in? That sounds like fun.
Fifth, Please define "Very Very Dedicated" Five- Ten minute workouts?
Sixth, You "Know your shit"? I didn't realize that you were talking literally until I saw your photo. So can you give us a peanut count on your shit? Surely you aren't talking about training?
Seventh= You "Give your heart to this" Holy shit. I'm thinking you might visit the Wizard of Oz and see if he can help you get a little more heart to give to this.
Eight, (This was my favorite) As a "Future Fitness Model".... Shit, I really don't know what to say about this. I'm assuming somewhere not in the very near future say...The next twenty years.
Ok, I've got that out of my system. I apologize for being a total asshole.
Why am I being an asshole? Because little pricks like this do not realize what kind of resources they have here at Eroids. They come on, want answers, don't listen to the answers, because it isn't the answer they want to hear and then bitch about it because people are mean to them. So they run what they want to run burn up their nuts, grow titties and wonder why the anavar isn't working.
I read Viking's answer and it pisses me off that a little douche like this shows just enough asshattery to get Viking to talk about limiting his friend Requests. Do you know how many people just got kicked in the ass by Viking limiting friends? I would have killed to have that kind of a resource when I was this little punks age.
I could go on all day but I won't.
I'm sorry to be an asshole. I don't like being one, and I hate to talk shit about anyones physique, especially anyone who is just trying to improve, but it is evident by this childs physique that he is full of shit and needs to do a lot more reading, studying, and growing a bigger heart to give to this before he jumps in and start calling people out. This kid is absolutely not ready for juice.
LOL!
ED, I have to admit that for some reason I was have never really liked you... but after this post you just clinched the spot of my #1 favorite eroider. Well said, better than I would have put it. You had the balls to say it like it is, yet somehow avoided sounding like a total dbag. Much respect bro
Hey bro, I appreciate the honesty. I really can't blame anyone for disliking me. I'm definately an asshat most of the time if not all of the time. I'm glad that you changed your mind. I probably would have liked you even if you still disliked me. That's just how I roll. If I disliked all of the people that disliked me, I'd be a pretty hateful bastard. Lol. Friend request sent.
Ed that was nice! Real nice....