posted Fri, 08/10/2012 - 10:29
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On TRT good site for HGH info?
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Been on TRT for a little over a year. 1.5 cc every two weeks from Endo. 46 years old never did AAS before now. Dropped 40 lbs so far from 300 to 260. Have to get Knee replacement surgury and surgeon said HGH wasnt a bad idea with all the joint problems ect. Have appointment with different Endo that is pro active the nurse I spoke to said she used to work for who I see now. She mentioned they prescribe HGH. She also said they are more pro active. I want to learn more about HGH but not bro science . My current Endo is 70 and hasnt checked anything but test and LH that I saw. Also I dont produce any LH had Pituitary scan no tumor yea. Thanks in advance. \
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Sorry to be a dork but what is TRT. I too am over 40. I am semi fit, not overweight and exercise 3-4 times a week. Have low test levels and was recommended to go on HGH and HCG. HCG to get se going then long term on HGH. Any input is appreciated.
tread-mYouv need full hrt with low test levels bud. Yes, hgh will cause positive feedback loop and test "might" resppond to that and slightly increase but bot to the degree you need. Its test/hgh for me other than...if you were found to have very poor gh output and just by fixing the gh alone your test levels rise to normal. Thats 1/1,000,000. If you only supply the axis with one hormone its test only for me everytime unless there is zero gh responce in that feedback. I still think it seems obvious to me the axis has 2 things to balance so you give it both gh and test...gh alone...no.
Testosterone replacement therapy Go see an endocronoligist. He will ck all your hormones.
I also find it hard to find good information about HGH for TRT/HRT. As Tread said, it's mostly to sale you something. I'm looking into implementing HGH into my TRT regime. Still researching and saving my money for a good product. 2iu seems to be the normal run for TRT.
I used to try to find the science behind everything, but now I listen to my brothers and sisters here. Learn from their trial and error, research more and then come up with a good plan.The broscience has brought me into a whole new realm of knowledge. It all make alot of sense to listen to someone who has used HGH for along time.
Thanks again Tread for the useful information. I like the Tread science
tread-mThere are things you want to understand as you research. The net is filled with poor info and studies that are there for a reason. Much of what you read is to try to get you to buy something and most of the studies reflections were by design. Such as , if I come out with a product that is to compete with hgh, be it a peptide or whatever, it would benefit me to fund a university to do a study. I could then lay the study out with protocols so that I am sure it will reflect what I want it to. That being negative user reflection. That's not science, its sales. So keep in mind there is always a money trail to find who funded the study and then look at the parameters of the study to see if it was a realistic shot at success or if it was by design, going to fail. I know you have something against "bro science " but let me ask you, do you want the opinion of an experienced user that has nothing to sell you or the opinion of a non-user who likely does? Happy to explain what it is you wish to know to the best of my ability upon request. The most basic question I'll answer now and it is "why hgh rather than just test?". The axis balances 2 compounds, test and gh. Does it not seem reasonable that supply both compounds would create a better balance in that axis. Think of an axis, I put something on one side but not the other, is it in balance?
Thank you for the response. I treated my body poorly for many years and it caught up to me. My job was also tough on my body. I now want to get my helth back and I am working hard on it. My questions I have are things like will HGH help with joint paint? Knees elbows wrists ect. I still need to lose 30-40 lbs or more, 40 so far but even on TRT dose test not gaining lots of muscle but feel 1000 percent better. Wife is very happy too. just hurt all over getting 1/2 knee replacement due to arthrits. Goals are to be lean and healthy and I am just learning. Yes I know food is number one and that is working out well. Thanks again.
tread-mthere are just so many variables with each individual. Good example is that some will sleep very well, better than ever on hgh, some no difference at all and yet others who have a harder time sleeping. So you can use that example to describe virtually every good/bad situation with hgh. Having said so the vast majnority, when using properly with good hgh, will find it to be a very positive experience.
When talking about hrt the use is very low dose and that "usually " eliminates most if not all of the negatives with hgh. The negatives often are that in high end use you actually have many more joint issues, joint swelling and aches, stiffness, hard time gripping, carpal tunnel mimik that is worse than cts mimik in hrt use and the list goes on. For myself such as right now, I found myself switching to a new product. It being stronger than my previous product my hand stiffness and grip issue was pretty extreme as well as joint stiffness and some knee swelling. Not being dialed in for the new product immediately I retained some additional water as well. I also found I had a raspy voice, tighter throat indicating T-4 suppression so I've had to make some adjustments which include increasing the AI to ed for a bit, drop the hgh for a few days then reboot at a lower dose to staircase up slower, pull in T-4, use a diuretic temporarily, increase water intake and slow the salt down. All of that has me already down 6 pounds in 3 days issues clearing up.
So you see there can and will be bumps in the road. If only using for hrt if you will start at 1 iu ed and run that for 2 or 3 weeks then jump a half iu for 2 or 3 then up to 2 iu's ed from there, you will likely get away will little or no early sides as you ramp up and become accustomed to the new compound. That may or may not include some additional adjustments. You mention diet and yes, it is the whole picture. Many expect hgh will be the miracle drug that allows them to treat their body like they are 16 again in that diet is not as important and the fat will go and be able to get less sleep etc. Hgh is very beneficial used proper for most but it is not a miracle that will allow you to slack. You will need to be very proactive in your fat loss as it pertains to diet or hgh can actually cause more fat on the body and more bloating. Keep in mind, it is likely making your test twice as effective having better day balance to match the night balance you get with the over night natty gh pulse. This means you are more susceptible to bloat than before. Yes , it will have fat cutting properties given its job in the metabolic rate but with that also comes more stomach ghrelin production making you hungrier and giving you a possible higher possibility to snack when you should not and even eat crap being more hungry than before. It can be a very positive thing though in eating to the goal, sleeping to the goal, training to the goal and just trying to live healthier all around.
So specific to your joint issues. Hgh does have the capability to improve collogen production and that can help joints, skin and cell production in general. If like me you want every possible avenue of help so I use hgh in my hrt and cycles, glucosamine chondroitin and turmeric for healing power. The glucosamine chondroitin alone had much benefit for me with knee's pre-hgh use , turmeric I swear healed my tendonitis given it was my only recent change at one point when tendonitis in left arm healed completely and gh use and benefit we discussed. Point is, I think you hit those issues that concern you from 3 directions and I really do think you see benefit for your personal issues even if not as dramatic a change as mine. My kneek* are great now, no issues literally ever, no tendonitis and my test use is much much better in terms of benefit with the other half of the axis supplied as opposed to just supplying the test side. Much more to learn if ramping up for a cycle and that will likely include temporary T-4 use ina cycle where good gh is used and ramped above 3 iu's ed ,for some such as myself , even at 3 iu's it seems with great product get with me if you decide to ramp for a cycle and we can go over what I call protocol as you work your way through bloods with T-4 use to find your own suppression predispositions.
Great info, now you won't have to write it all again in a pm to me. Definitely a awesome post, where is the plus button
Wow. Great info. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you and I will get in touch. My appointment with indocrine consultants is next month.My knee replcement is on the 23rd of this month. The new Endo has a LONG waiting list the one I see now doesnt and hes 70. Kind of tells you something. I will post what they do and what they give me tests included.