-1 Trenos-H 100 -VS- Trenos-E 200, For The First Time?
I've been thinking of starting a cycle for the very first time in my life, that of either Trenos H 100 or Trenos E 200.
I'm age 42, 6' 3" tall, 280 pounds.
Of the two I'm thinking Trenos H is the better choice, I'm told its anabolic effect is five times that of testosterone and it doesn't convert to estrogen, which makes it free from side effects like gynocomastia, water-retention, etc., unlike Trenos E which I read 'CAN' cause gynecomastia,(bitch tits).
They are both said to be well suited for the rapid buildup of strength and muscle mass, usually providing the user exceptional results in a relatively short time period.
One drawback I read is they both have a tendency to stay in the system for months and are will be detectable upon testing long after the cycle has ended.
Also I found with the strong impact Trenbolone has on endogenous testosterone, the use of a stimulating drug such as HCG and/or Clomid/Nolvadex is recommended when concluding steroid therapy.
From actual experiences.....
Can anyone here tell me of there results good and bad they discovered?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Well first let's establish the connection between endogenous test and a suppressive compound like Tren. You will most likely feed off of your endogenous test, then when the aromatization process begins your body will be overrun with Estrogen. You will then be faced with an imbalance of hormones. Too much E2 and not enough Test. That's where all of the negative side effects start to show up. First is normally an outbreak of acne, followed by some errectile dysfunction. You will then most likely experience some itchy sensations in your nipples and soon full on gyno. Gyno caused by an influx of prolactin to the system is the meanest and nastiest form of gyno any of us can get. Prolactin sides are amplified/increased with high levels of E2, and at this point with no AI and no endogenous Test and only estrogen from the aromtization process Prolactin Gyno is a very likely outcome.
SO why just a Test only cycle you ask? Well it's an established "Industry" standard for first cycles. Testosterone is and always be the king of all anabolics in my opinion for without it you cannot fucntion properly as a man. Your body is constantly looking to find "Homeostasis" and it will need some time to adjust. That's why we say a 12wk cycle is the preffered length for a first cycle. It should allow you enough time to see what your body will like from it and what it won't like. Will you get high BP? WIll you develop acne? Are you oversensitive to the agression you get? Do you get paranoid? Depressed? All of those things have happened to me and very well have happened to most of us.
Ancillaries are the best way to control those sides. Aromatase Inhibitors are a must for a cycle, whether it's your first or 30th. That's another thing, having all the AI/PCT/HCG in your possession beforehand is really the smartest move you can make. Do plenty of reseach there as soon as you get free time today. Don't wait til tomorrow, do it right now.
This should be enough for one post so I won't get started on Diet or Training. Stick around these forums for a bit and really pay attention to what the big dogs are saying. The members here won't lead you down a wrong path brother.
Boooom!!! There it is!!
I appreciate the feedback.
So the original suggestion to me of Testosterone C or E with an anti-estrogen and cleanser 'IS' the way to go?
I'm asking before I order anything.
Cleanser as in PCT?
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
I'm assuming the LIV-52 would do it but I was told you can buy liver cleanser locally.
No where's your PCT bro?
Post cycle therapy?
What do you suggest?
Read all the replues. It's listed. Gs has skills!
"Said.... 42, 6' 3" tall, 280 pounds"
im reposting htis at the top..
can you give me a ballpark body fat %age?
you could be well built, dont get me wrong.. just want some sort of idea.
im really not trying to be a dick.. but if you are 20+% you should probably drop some of that before you jump on.. better for your heart, bloodpressure, and overall AAS experiance.
To be honest, I have no idea. From what I was told by the owner I am perfect to start a cycle.
I been working out for years. hours a day, its just I've only been doing it on food and a suppliment.
Had a doctor's physical recently and all was good.
A basic cycle of 500Mg test e/cyp is eadier on the system. 12week cycle. Tren is harsh if not done right it will give you leaker nipples. Its like doing heroine when a 6pk light beer will do the job.
1-12 test e 500Mg/split mon and thurs
Aromasin or adex for estrogen control
Clomid 100..100..50..50 ffour Weeks and nolva 40....40...20...20 for recovery.
Start pct nolva/clomid two Weeks after final test e shot. Please read forums for first run cycle. It'll help you a ton and stop ya from getting boobies.
No tren buddy. Its not for first tmes. Most never even need it til bout a dozen cycles.
Why is that?
cause its bad news bears for newbs...
Can you explain what you mean, in what way, what does it do thats bad to new users?
Nightmares, vivid dreams, extreme aggression, jealousy, night sweats, day sweats, sleeplessness, more power than your joints and tendons can handle.......
Hell I get that around Tax time!
Lmao!!! You got a ton of good advice today. Check forums when ya can and there's a forum for cycle logs too. Any help extra...lots of folks here happy to help.
Trust this advice! Experienced guru...
Nah, more like inexperienced user found out the hard way! LOL ;-P
But learning more here daily!
Ugh...don't we all :(. Old days was gym guru and deca only advice. Bleh. Gotta love this place!! Good luck on ebc!!!
give me a ballpark bodyfat%age and i'll tell you why... ;)
bingo!!!!!
stats?? age??? cycle history??
OMG!! NO!!!! do NOT run tren for a first cycle!! ever!!!
post up some stats and i'll help you out.
It was suggested to me by my gym owner who was a bodybuilder, to use Testosterone Cypionate with an anti-estrogen along with a liver cleanser.
I saw these and thought they would be better on account of the lower side effects.
STATS AND AGE PLEASE????
Said.... 42, 6' 3" tall, 280 pounds.