Pro Chem Cycle: Confusion over dosages, HCG and anti-e's ??
Hi All
Been reading the forum and words of 'wisdom' on this site for a fair while now and just registered to post some niggling thoughts within my mind. About ready to do my 3rd ever cycle and would like to compete all being well in Classic Class in April and my stats are:
Training period: 11 years
Height: 5ft9
BF:13%
Age:36
Weight: 89 KG
Just signed up to a new trainer/coach and I have been advised the following bulking cycle (my view was that I want to BULK without gaining too much xtra bodyfat)...I know I know I need to keep on the cardio and I can assure you my diet will be tight e.g. not much cheating going on! Im intent in looking after myself when on the gear.
Cycle:
Wk 1- 10: 4ml/w test en
Wk 1-5: tren en @ 3ml pwk + Dbol@30mg a day+Anavar@50mg a day
Wk 5-10: Masteron @ 3ml pwk + Oxybol (unsure what he would like me to run this at) + anavar @50mg a day
Wk 10 - 16: Cruise with 1ml of test en a wk and then back into another cycle
Gear I will be using all Prochem:
Orals: Anavar 50mg, Dbol 10mg, Oxybol
Jabs: Testenate 300, Trenenate 200, Masteron
Questions swirling through my mind are:-
My trainer thinks the dosages aren't too high when I suggested they are, going by the gear per mg I have and the cycle above it is recommended 1.2gs a week of test and 600mgs of tren en a wk on top of that will be the var and dbol. To me that is too high and looking for trouble, especially as been told shouldnt run into trouble with gyno on this cycle (apparently there is some nolva/arimidex should it be required)...still i feel i need to run this from the start. also should i consider running some HCG in there? I mean surely the two marbles down stairs gonna take a bashing and shrink>>? :-/
I was thinking of down scaling the cycle to maybe: 600-750mg of test (wk 1-10) + 400 MG of tren (wk 1-5 only) and stick with the dbol 30mg (wk 1-5) and 50mg 'var (wk 1-5). I do not want to find in 9 months time I should have been higher on dosage and lack on stage as will be kicking my own ass then! I know more is not always the answer but I do want to get it right and do want my body to last for years to come...I believe in stimulate and not anihilate...no point there. One can read so many different views out there but I would like to see if my method is consistent with others views. AS I said done 2 cycles before which inlcuded test en at 400mg a wk and 50mg of Winny eod! This will be my 3rd cycle.
Other thing playing on my mind is that there will be no break...literaly after the 10 weeks we will be cruising at a ml of test a week for 6 weeks and then BANG back on it into another cycle. I've not competed before so if this seems like a rookie thread ...then yes you are right, but hey even the great King Coleman had to start somewhere... any views and opinions will be much appreciated...cheers... G
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Viking your words are ringing squire and will drop the Tren and dbol for now and keep for next time, im a very focussed individual but want do do the right thing. As for the persona asking re
My diet, im eating 6 meals a day consisting of 200-300g protein/ 50-60g basmati rice and a cup of brocolli with each of that...my diet is TIGHT, alwyas been good and allow myself 1 cheat meal every 14 days...h20 intake HIGH...idont drink so thats a given. Thanks again. G
Sounds like everyones advice will be dumped. Gsxr had ya right. Everyone from the getgo had you marked as dabbling in dangerous waters. And still arguing. smh
tread-mNo meth for the cut? Lol...first up my brother, good words below. You're not ready for this and even when you are its wrong. Let's drop Coleman out of the mix. Often newer guys come in and they think, "I'll do what Ronnie does"...well You're not Ronnie today so you can't do what Ronnie does today. You need to run from where you are.
Next up, get the panic out of your head as to when the competition is. You need to roll at your own proper pace and compete at your level as you work your way to the level you want to compete at. In othe words, you're trying to cram 10 gallons of shit into a 5 gallon bucket...that math won't work even. If your trainer tries to make it work by over running your roll.
Right out of the gate I want to hear this diet. I don't like the "diet is in check" blanket statement. I've seen people with a "diet in check" for 5 yrs and making no progress. Translation...diet was not on point, period. You wrap a cycle around the diet not the other way around so the number we need to actually complete the m.ath here is diet. I see far too many people who think you drive up the doses to make up for shortcomings in the diet and add more compounds for the lack of dedication. Not saying that's where you are at all but I'm Saying the engineering of anything begins with what it is that holds the load. The diet holds the load and if its not strong enough you begin to build and at some point everything comes crashing down.
I would like to see "your" diet. Not the one you have on the paper the trainer gave you, the one you actually put in your mouth. From there if in line you build the cycle. Without it you build failure because nothing will overcome failure in diet, no matter how many mg's we're talking bout. I just saw your post to V below me here....good for you, help is on the way!
Thanks for the different angle bro i think BFG may have to pay us overtime on this one lmao!
Mr V u seem a respected man on the topic and i too am hear to listen and learn...seeing that i have the gear do i just drop tren all together and keep it til next time? Or do i change on dosages ...i jsu dont want to fall short come april but also not cost o my health either....health first
do i go for a later stage date...farout this is frutrating :-/ im listening?
Imo brother drop the tren this time along with the mast and d/bol... ideally run the stack that GSRX laid out i promise you will get great results and safe at the same time... if you really want a kicker to the cycle go with test prop eod for the first 4wks... the cycle length will get the best from the long esters and running the test at 600mg will decrease the chances of bloat and water retention that would cloud the physique... finally you need to get your head in the right place and be focused! make the plan,stick to the plan execute the plan! there is no room when dealing with AAS to be constantly changing your mind bro... be dominant and command is the way forwards.
No such thing as "bridging" you are either on or off cycle! reading all the thread it reads like you are going to run your stated cycle regardless! i agreed with the cycle advice given due to the time you mentoin upto the comp which gives adeqaute time for a good bulker then a really good cutter... if you choose to bridge at your age and cycle exp you may as well go the whole hog and say yes to TRT right now and stay ON forever.
STUPID but your choice at the end of the day!
Thanks GSXR and will consider ur valued input...im well focussed as want to compete next April so yes offcourse I am not perfect in evrythig but we all human and thats why i do listen with those much more experienced than me...i know tren is much stronger than test and long ester and also run it 1/5th of ur test due to it also!
Also re pct im unsure whether just to bridge for 8 wks and go back into cycle as got 10 months to be ready, re DBol, yes not preferd but i need bulk so ur right its to kickstart me so to say.
If your looking to compete I would talk to Viking. He's the go to man for this. With regard to a bridge I can't comment. Never done it so I'd be out of my depth.
You have this info all done correctly. Looks like another inpatient youngster. Glad your info is on point as usual. High five bro!
Btw noted on the aromasin ans hcg and sorting that out! Ty
I'm on there aromasin at the moment and it's doing the trick:)
Gsxr, with all due respect, ive got the first 5 weeks of gear a while back and i dropd the var out of there (which is the lightest of it and will make me hard and vascular towards the end). Dbol at 30mg is not a huge dose as such? Why do you say its bad or even worse? Applogies but you cant make statements and not justify. As for compounds yes done my homework and that why i was sus on the high dosage...im not here for arguments and debates i was merely seekin guidance!!
This is your 3rd cycle. Tren shouldnt be on the menu anyway. It's for guys who have learned other compounds first and consider themselves advanced.
2nd, you don't know about the compounds and esters. Tren enanthate for 5 weeks??? It won't even kick in till then. It's a long ester with a half life of about 10.5 days.
I get the dbol for bulking. I'm not a fan personnaly, way too much water retension.
1)drop the tren e
2)detail you pct and ai
Mate, you don't have to agree with me but Viking agreed with the cycle i laid out. Look under his name. It says PRO. Your on cycle number 3. Stop and listern.
Not trying to shit on you but you didn't listern. Why ask the question if you won't take guidence?
Hey all thanks for confirming my sus on all of this and I will suitably keep test at 600mgs (12 wks) a week and tren for 400mg a week for first 5 wks and also run the dbol at 30mgs for firts 5 weeks, will replace tren with eq. At week 5...thanks for all the help with this.
That's not what you have been advised at all. I think that's even worse that you suggested before. If there was a comp for worst designed cycle, you just won it.
That's properly pissed me off, why do I bother?
It is very clear that you have absolutely no idea about the compounds you are going to inject into your body. Do what you like, but you have been warned.
GSXR has your cycle bro right there...YOU need to sharpen up quick sharp man... you should be far more educated seeing this will be your 3rd run... be your own boss were steroids are concerned your trainer is training you for a big failure... glad you came here before starting that run... come back with your thoughts bro before we go any further ok.
your trainers head is so far up his ass when he winks...his throat tickles!!! If this above pile of death mixed in with new titts is his advice...i certainly hope you find a new trainer. That mix would make anyones liver fall out and enjoy he moobs. If that asshat can't even form a proper cycle then you'd better rethink all the other bullshit hes throwing at you.
sgtstedankoMeh
Good lord!
Yes this is all over the place and way, way too much.
Scrap the above.
Given what you said about cardio and your weight I would go for;
Test e @ 600 ew weeks 1-17
Equipoise @ 600 weeks 1-16
Nolva and clomid weeks 19-22
Run hcg twice a week @ 250ui
Pro chem do aromasin. Do 10mg eod if you need to.
I'm doing the same (ish) cycle at the moment apart from I've added anavar @ 75 ed weeks 10 onwards as my cardio isn't top priority.
Anavar and tren kill cardio.
Then take your time off=time on+pct.
I hope he slaps the person who advised that cycle! you got him on the right track.