My HGH plan, let me know if I've missed the mark.
OK, currently I am running Test E (750mg/week) and D-Bol (50mg/day), and I'm about six weeks away from the end of my cycle. So here is my plan that I've been working on. I'm going to do my PCT, and as soon as that is done I'm going to start a year long HGH run. My plan is to do either Igtropin or Kigtropin from that Health Pill place. So here is the plan.
Weeks 1-2: 2iu/day (1iu first thing in the morning, 1iu right before bed)
Remaining: 4iu/day (2iu first thing in the morning, 2iu right before bed)
I'm going to keep eating clean, and will probably continue with my Test-only cycles that I like to run.
Does this sound like a legitimate way to go about it? I am looking at pricing, and it seems that this method will cost me @ $100/month to run. I think I've understood everything. I know that I will also need 1ml/vial of bacteriostatic water, but that is the only cost that is added. If so, how is this considered more expensive than AAS?
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Jbigdog69Do some more research. HGH will NOT do anything for you in terms of growth running it morning and night at only 2 to 4 iu per day without the proper things in place. If I were to only run 2 to 4iu a day it would be post workout with slin and a low dose of T4 accompanied WITH test. The proper way to gain muscle with HGH is to study "puberty" and figure out what makes us grow during that time and how we can imulate this process. SLIN is the most anabolic substance on the planet. However, without proper research "YOU CAN DIE" using SLIN and you risk becoming diabetic. HGH injected subcutaneous takes longer to reach the liver which releases the IGF-1 and thus has a half-life of only an Hour and half. This is why most competative bodybuilders use HGH every 2 hours.
CleyonJust to clarify, I'm not looking to use HGH as the muscle builder, more for fat loss and joint help. I wouldn't even ATTEMPT to use insulin without much, much more knowledge.
DarksideSixthats a good plan but i'm not sure you can pull it on $100 a month.
Not to bash ehealth but there are beter quality gh out there. the hyges have been pretty decent and there are some really good Rips right now as well, but you're probably looking more closer to $200 a month bro.
CleyonThat's what everyone has said, and I've adjusted my plan to take that into account. It just means cutting out one of my Test cycles this year, but I'll live.
DarksideSixhow many cycles did you plan to run? at 38 i'd start to think about GH a little more. i'm 34 and been running it for about 6 months now and it's the greatest thing ever. i'm still gonna run cycles, but not as many.
what are some of the benefits youre noticing brother? and what is your protocol? I have already taken on your pct protocol, might as well hear your growth ideas as well
DarksideSixit varies, i try to mix it up and either do 5 on, 2 off, or do 6 days on and 1 off. i like to average 4iu's a day, that seems to be my sweet spot. i'll do 4 iu's a day for a week or two, and then for two weeks i'll do 2iu's one day and 6 the next. works great, keeps me lean and seems to work very well.
CleyonI've run two so far this year... Well, I'm just finishing up my second. As soon as this one finishes I'm going on the HGH, if everything is groovy in three or four months I'll do another cycle of Test/dbol or winny.
Does anyone have any thoughts on a E3D protocol?
good luck to you bro!
of course mate, docs did a study not long ago, studied about 150 kids, same age, same diagnosis, male and female...
They tested:
-results
-growth rate
-side effects
-drop out rates (due to sides)
-cost of 12 month treatment.
The EOD protocol blew the old ED protocol out of the water in every way! After injection of hgh, true, its gone in 15 mins, but causes a cascade systemic release of igf ect.
When i did ED dosing (pharma) i got to 6iu and had such bad carpel tunnel that i could barely wipe my arse. jumped to EOD dosing and had no sides.
My cycle was:
20iu HGH + 80iu lantus injectected PWO EOD (i dont train 2 days in a row).
If you wana hear proper advice (im not a doc), there was a guy on UK iron community called maxititer? Look there and you will find his postings regarding HGH +slin.
Guys a genius and a Doctor, he got banned but after you exhaust that forums info, you can google his handle and find the forum hes on now.... man is a fuking genius.
PS. I think its bad advice telling people to run these pointless hgh cycles (doses and protocols), it ends up costing them a shit load of cash, little results and lots of it is bunk, when they could of just upped the dose of gear and calories and got the job done.
Legit hgh is pricey, and most people use it the wrong way, at too low a dose, try EOD..
your throwing ya HGH down the toilet anyway ;)
2iu-4iu would be like a TRT dose, expensive and pointless at your age.
Chase up maxititer bro.
CleyonSo running 8iu EOD is going to give better results than running 4IU ED? Like I said, I'm not trying to go full on IFBB man regimen, can't afford that! That's why I was looking at a low dose, just to help with my fat-loss, joints, and skin. Looks like there is a lot more to research. And I thought I was getting so close!
Heres what i just read and makes sense to me..
With exogenous GH, there is no right or wrong time to pin, as the optimal time is determined by your goals. For guys who want to grow as much as possible & lose as much fat as possible, they should pin large dosages 3X every day, at equally divided intervals. For guys who can't afford to use that much GH, when you pin will matter. Pinning 1st rise on an empty stomach will result in maximum fat loss, as the body will be more likely to oxidize the newly liberated fatty acids after an entire night's fast. By pinning about 1-2 hours post-workout you will increase muscle growth to a greater degree, as IGF-1 levels will be starting to rise right as the 1st MGF splice variant is beginning to cease being produced.
Also, pinning pre-workout...either before cardio or weight training, will help burn more fat, as the body will be more likely to oxidize greater amounts of fatty acids at this time, due to the higher rate of caloric expenditure that takes place during exercise.
Also, how you split up your total dosage will affect whether fat burning or muscle growth is impacted to a greater degree. For example, let's say we have 2 people who are both using 9 IU per day. One man pins the entire dose post-workout....and the other man pins 3 IU first rise in the morning on an empty stomnach, 3 IU before training/cardio, and 3 IU before bed. The 2nd man will lose significantly more bodyfat, while the first man "might" grow more. Why? The man pinning 3X per day has placed himself in a situation where not only is lipolysis is taking place all day long, but it is occuring at a rate the body is capable of keeping up with. If the rate of lipoysis (the liberation of fatty acids from fat cells) exceeds the rate of oxidation (the burning of fat), then the free fatty acids which were liberated and released into the blood stream by the GH will eventually be redeposited back into the fat cell. The man who pinned the entire dose post-workout will blow his IGF-1 levels through the roof, resulting in a greater degree of IGF-1 elevation at a time the body is best able to capitolize on it for growth. This same man will also experience a profound degree if lipolysis from pinniong 9 IU all at once, but it is very unlikely that his body will be able to oxidize that amount of fatty acids over a few hours, especially when sitting on one's ass after a workout. Therefore, the man pinning 3X per day will lose signifucantly more fat, while it is theorized (we dopn't know for sure) that the man who pinned once might be able to grow more.
CleyonObviously I don't know enough to say whether this is all correct, but it makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks ECM!
After reading through this a second time it stands to reason that if you varied your pinning schedule week to week (very much like i-Omega said he does) you could capitalize on both increased muscle growth, and increased fat-loss. In other words, get the best of all worlds.
Was explained.to me.by endo...
One injection of hgh causes a systemic cascade effect in the body.. raise in igf ect.
ED dosing is.being abandoned by docs for growth deficincy due to high sides, waste of money.
EOD can do same thing for them
5on 2 off??? What a stupid idea? Designed by people.who cant afford to run.v shit properly
Hgh is useless for bulking unless.run it with slin
Assuming the person.trains 3x per week
Ide do this:
10iu hgh PWO
???iu slin PWO
I use lantus 24hr insulin but rapid act will.be fine. just researxh the hell outa slin ise and.start at 1iu and work up 1iu each.workout. To a max of 10iu . lantus slin only lasts 12hours at that dose and no real.peak. thats why i prefer it.
2iu hgh is barely replacement dose. EOD dosing of hgh reduces side and increases gains coz u can.use a higher dose. 20iu ect
CleyonOK, that's a lot more for me to research! Running HGH like I mentioned above (4iu/day) won't keep me from gaining mass, it will just keep me lean correct? I train daily (sometimes I do morning and afternoon). I'm not trying to become huge, I am trying to get a little more muscular, but RIPPED. Lean gains have always been my goal, and with the joint health issues HGH seems to be a great way to go.
OK, now I must start researching insulin...
HGH is waste of money unless using higher EOD dosing in my opinion.
Strict diet with high protien on cycle will.keep u lean. diet do it not hgh.
Hgh reviews always are less than impressive whe ED dosing unless over 40 years of age. then it can be a god send
CleyonWell I was thinking it as I wrote it! LOL! Sorry I really thought I had stated that.
CleyonYeah, I had read that. It's one of the really attractive things about HGH to me, not having to stop every 8 weeks or so. That's why I plan on going for a year straight, like a gladiator!
I-Omegathats a good thought but your numbers are off a little. realisticaly, most places have a 2 or 3 kit minumum. figure you're going to run through 100iu's a month and i don't know anywhere to get gh for $100 a month. i would double that figure. i've been on some very good quality rips for a few months and am paying almost twice that.
like J0n said.....you get what you pay for.
There are a number of issues to tackle in your post brother. Someone else can help you with protocol, but I can offer a little help on product and pricing. No one has bought ig's or kig's in months because the product is shit and easy faked. ehealth is a reseller of hygetropin.com.cn's which is essentially the only growth, common to eroiders, getting good reviews right now. G-fit and a few other guys here have had labs done on them and they are good.
What's important to remember with growth is you usually get what you pay for, so an immediate red flag would be a low price. haidee is pushing 200iu's of hyges for $380, and assuming about a 4iu/day protocol, 100iu's will last you about a month. So the price there is $190/month.
Another factor playing into the expense is how long you are going to be running it and why you are running it. A year at your age, 38, sounds great. typically, bro's using hgh for mass gains and new muscle cell development will be pushing 6+ iu's a day at a minimum, this is where the price is. Someone like yourself who it seems like would enjoy staying lean coupled with anti-aging perks would be in the 2-4 range making it more affordable.
Again, have someone like tread, perses, g-fit, or one of the other guys who likes drawing up hgh protocols help you with that part, but the price issue is in quality and results
CleyonOK, so from what you are saying I should probably stay away from the other stuff, and just get the Hyges.com.cn stuff (essentially doubling my per month cost). That's still doable, but will mean me going to a few more chick flicks with the Mrs. to make it up.
You are right that I'm looking for the anti-aging and leanness perks. If I can still manage to gain muscle at my current rate I won't be unhappy at all. I'll probably still run my same AAS cycles that I had planned out for this year, so this will be on top of that.
Thanks for all the input, I guess getting what I paid for is more important than saving a little money.
I 100% agree with everything you said and thanks for saving his time and money on those kigs lol.
+1 Good answear. You nailed it.