posted Sun, 05/20/2012 - 06:24
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Var or winny for lean bulk?
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Hey guys this is for me but more specifically for a buddy who is currently in this situation. Were both week 8 of test e cycle, its my first ycle sp i wont incorperate anything else. But its my boys second cycle and hes doing a lean bulk and is wondering what would benefit him more var at 80-100mg or winny at 30-40mg. I know NPP is prob best option but hes not ready to pin eod and i dont think i will be eithier by the time my second cycle rolls around. Were also both on proviron (50mg ed) and adex .25 eod. Also would like to give tread a shout out for helping me o my earlier post and explaining why estrogen needs to be controlled.
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Id take anavar anyday, but deff will hit
T-Bol hearing awsome things about the blend
Of a dbol/anavar effect minus the water from
Dbol and why not have a buddy of yours order
It for you internationally? If you can't..? But hey it's just an advise fella" at the end of the day you can whatever the fuk
You wanna do [; hehe
I-OmegaVar. Winny is dog shit and only dries u out temporarly. Var is great for recomping or lean bulk.
neither... T-BOL
winny uses- precontest, drying effect, hardening effect, maintain strength/mass
var uses- fatloss, strength gain, body recomposition
BenchanitorEh we cant use tbol dnt have acces to it here. A mod on another reputable board suggested dbol at a lose dose 30mg for last 6 weeks. Considering we are using proviron and adex water weight wont be an issue and it can help produce nice gains, without the crash.
maybe... oh well, diet will dictate everything in the end anyways.
Frankiewhy dont you have access to tbol? a number of sources here carry it .
BenchanitorI cant use an outside source for reasons i cant mention. Lets please stick to the options availible:)
Frankieok bro no worries
unless you have used both you will never know whats best for you and while it good getting advise on the matter results will boil down to a number of things
1-diet
2-training
3-rest
4-genetics
i did ask the same question a few weeks back and opted for tbo to which i am starting this week
i love winny as i have a very low body fat and stay lean year round but wnated to switch up to either var or tbol
100mgs tbol ed for 6 weeks is what i will along with 500mgs test e per week for 12 week
in the heart of the summer i am going to try 100mgs of anavar with some prop :-)
BenchanitorWhat are your thoughts on lose dose dbol for last 6 weeks. A mod reccomended us to do 30mg considering proviron and adex are being used it will only be solid gains.
Frankieits possable yes but the whole pont of dbol imo is to bulk on it letting the estrogen do the work ,by the time you add in the adex and the prov costs can run higher than of an anavar cycle and your takeing alot more pills ect ..
BenchanitorHeres the thing, were alrdy on proviron and adex, so it would be cheaper for the dbol at 30mg then say var at 60-80. And the estrogen should be controlled imo, reference to treads thread.
Frankiewhy you running prov on cycle ? totaly pointless .
remember dbol holds alot more sides than anavar so if you want to risk sides over spenind a few extra $$ then go with dbol by all means ...
there is a reason why dbol is cheap and var is expencive you know ?
BenchanitorFree up SHBG, and i love the libido and hardness i get from it
Var definitely burned fat for me magically... But only at 80mg day and up to 100mg. Dropped to a 32... Once I got off, diet sucked because of vacation, and test was no longer in my system. Waist came back, but arms are still lean as shit
BenchanitorWhere u bulking? Also what other compounds where u using?
dbolzAlways go for var if money is not an issue. Winny will give more sides so leave it aside till he has more experience. Let him start at 50mg var he will gain nicely at that dose. Running 80-100mg from the get go is not wise imo. 50mg-75mg (Start at 50mg for 2-4 weeks then up to 75mg) works just as good the first couple of runs. His bodyweight will probably plateu while on the var so keep that in mind as well. Its hard to gain weight while running it, composition will change for sure.
BenchanitorWouldnt composition be strictly based on diet(unless on tren). Why would his weight platue if hes eating above maintenance? I dnt think var has the ability to burn fat and build muscle while in a caloric surplas of 500-1k.
dbolzFrom what i have experienced with it my weight gain always stops no matter what cals i eat even if i eat dirty. If he wants to gain some weight winny is going to be the better option. Have a look online tonnes of people are using it to stay on the same weight. Same thing happens even if you go on a deficit diet. Probably the best quality var has is that you can maintain the same weight. Very hard to gain weight on it imo and even if he does dont expect anything more than 0.5lbs per week. He will shed any fat he has though
BenchanitorIm gonna have to disagree with u on this one bro. I dont see how var could magically have the ability to burn fat, its ur diet that dictates that. Yes ppl use it to stay same weight and gain strength (mma). It seems like alot of ppl have been loving winny recently for lean muscle, use to be very underrated. Maybe more expierenced users can chim in on this
It is always disturbing to see members ask for help and then dispute the help they receive. Var doesn't have magical ability to burn fat, that is just one of the many benefits of using this particular compound!! If you are looking for sustainable lean muscle gains then Var is a solid choice. However, since you don't want to heed the advice of "dbolz" I have provided a couple of links for you to check out regarding Var, specifically its affect on abdominal fat!!
http://www.steroid.com/Anavar.php
http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Anavar-Oxandrolone.html - Pay particular attention to the 2nd to last paragraph!!
dbolzTry it first brother and then we talk.
BenchanitorMaybe u tried oral tren lol:p