Whenever the person thinks they have enough knowledge.

I hate to say it, but steroid forums are typically filled with broscience shit that's taken as gospel and never to be questioned, which is silly.

I know a guy who did 8 weeks test p and tren a for his first cycle, even after he had to listen to 100 meatheads telling him he was too tiny to use tren a and he was a fuckhead for doing this cycle etc etc he's going to die etc

He not only came out fine, but he came out with fantastic results. Complete transformation of his physique and he kept all of his gains. So like I always say, tren in a 170lb body is no different to tren in a 220lb body, the pharmacological action is EXACTLY the same, so really there is no magical time where you are "ready" or "allowed" to use a compound.

So basically it comes down to personal choice, and being confident/prepared in your knowledge.

Brother as a lot of my close friends on eroids know i am just closing what would be my 53rd cycle yes you read right 53 after all these years of usage i still take the utmost care with every single detail regarding cycle planning, dosage, length of cycle,hygeine and pinning protocol,never do i take anything lightly i treat every single run as a learning curve even now,just when you think you know a compound well and attempt to abuse it as i have done many times it becomes a bad dog and will bite the hand of its master, i have learnt to never take any thing for granted regarding aas use and treat every cycle with massive respect.
Like most things in life i have had to dive in the deep end and learn to swim making countless fuck ups along the way,info you people are privvy to here on eroids was not available years ago so in my eyes plenty of you guys can hit the ground running with the multitude of advice skills and tools we have put together on this site,100s of experienced people who you can turn too day or night who give out free unbiased information,god i wish i could have had this back then,the only downside to all this is a lot of guys want to run before they can walk, i cant blame any of you for wanting that but we all have to keep a firm grip on reality and realise we have made a life style choice and we have the rest of our lives to fulfill that choice,to finalise i will use a comment my big buddy tread uses regularly SLOW THE ROLL GUYS i hope you realise what this means,why be the bull at the gate who rushes in and fucks one cow when you could be the bull that strolls into the field then proceeds to FUCK EM ALL.

Experience with most other compounds. Gauging how your body reacts to the others, especially the 19nor's then darting small on the tren and build it up as you go. Truth is there is no other compound like it so you won't know what to expect until you run it. Just be smart, do your homework and make sure you've got a good idea of how your body responds to other compounds. When the 21 year old kids tell me they're running tren then start asking me how, I have a problem with that! You hear a lot of people here say don't run tren until x, y, z because a lot of them are young noobs who hav no fucking clue what they're doing

I believe the most important thing here is to study and find out the risks of doing any aas.I personally believe a person should train for several years before they jump in to any aas.Take some time to get into the lifestyle of eating and training right.If you are serious about getting ripped then you have to commit to making it the way you live.Come on I mean there are people on here every day saying they have started a cycle and are now getting gyno and are wondering what to get to get rid of it.They should already know this and have the proper ai on hand.They should have there pct ready for after cycle.Experience is partly doing your homework and being prepared.

Depends on which board you read and who you ask. All steroids have potential for nasty sides. We should know with a reasonable amount of study that sides are for the most part dose and duration dependant. For instance I would recommend a low dose of tren over a harsh oral like Anadrol or halo to a relatively inexperienced user. There is a shit load of anecdotal evidence to sway anyone who is looking just to justify his/her postion. Coupled with pseudo science that is spouted off over all the different boards it is impossible to get a concrete answer.

My personal opinion is always to take things slow. Build up to faster acting and more powerful compounds and larger doses. Always educate yourself through study, reference books and in this particular aspect learn from those you can trust. Build experience, start with basics and once you feel ready give it a go but take it slowly. We can respond to hormones so differently from one another that thinking, 'well so and so was fine taking x at x dose I should be fine as well doing the same' is an uneducated thought process.

I personally don't think its a how many cycles thing. I think once you stop making gains with the other compounds at moderate doses then it can be added. I also think you will find that this will take some time. I been using aas for well over a decade and have never threw tren in the mix, partly cause it scares the hell outta me and I'm still getting what I need from other compounds. This scenario could be different for someone who is competing but I would still say several years of consistent experience before jumping on the train.

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