+ 13 Creating Steroid Cycles
Most people know me for writing cycles that work. Some have asked me if there are any specific guidelines I use to write a cycle.
Here are some basics to think about when writing a cycle.
What are your goals - to lean out/ to bulk up/to wet bulk/ to dry or lean bulk etc.
What is your time frame - 8 weeks / 12 weeks/ 16 weeks / 22 weeks or 30 weeks.
What are the compounds you have access to.
What are the quantities of these compounds in total (grams or mgs)
What is your prior history to using AAS - if so do you have any sides
What are your favorite compounds of choice - are you open to using anything new?
How many days do you train - how good is your pre/post workout nutrition
Other factors I take into consideration are general experience to AAS. No point asking a first timer to combine short and long esters and throw in two orals.
By rule of thumb.
Keep your first cycle simple and easy
Run your first cycle with LONG esters
Always run your first cycle with a long ester of test
Bulking is EASIER with AAS than cutting so preferably try to bulk on your first cycle.
Don't try to achieve too many things in your first cycle. Your first cycle is all about trial - error - learning how compounds react to your body.
Understand how your diet works WITH your cycle. Acclimatize your bodies caloric needs to suit your cycle and the compounds you are using for your cycle.
Never EVER treat your body like a roller coaster. Blood levels take time to adapt so no point running an ester based hormone for a week and bump it up a few notches. What is the point?
Let your body adapt itself to exogenous supplementation slow and steady.
Remember a long ester is long for a reason. The delivery of the active is stretch over a longer time frame. Each time you run a long ester give yourself a minimum of 10 weeks. No point running a long ester for a short run and starting the PCT. Your active is still being released while you are dumping more chemicals into your body.
While using harsher compounds for the first time - start out low and work your way up. You can do more cycles and start out higher AFTER YOU KNOW HOW YOUR BODY REACTS.
Always - ALWAYS keep ancillaries at hand. Just because you didn't have estrogen conversion the first time around, does not mean your 3rd cycle will not give you gyno. Free metabolite action can never be perfectly gauged.
I can stress this enough but please don't try to accomplish too many things during one cycle. More does not mean better. Throwing in 50 different compounds is not going to do much.
A lot of people try to throw in fat burning ancillaries early on without prior experience. Imagine you have a blood condition, maybe elevated BP due to coagulation levels. You run clenbuterol and equipoise. You may not feel its effect ON cycle but you are just harming your body more and more.
A simple testosterone + equipoise cycle CAN give you as good effects if your diet and training are on perfect check as opposed to 10 fancy compounds and you not knowing what to eat and when.
Support supplements:
Just as important as ancillaries are cycle support supplements. Remember liver toxicity is both underrated and overrated in many cases. Here is a basic concept people forget, just because an oral is a methyl, the fact that it is a methyl is not what hits the liver but its ANDROGENICITY ratio. So a little research ALWAYS goes a long way.
Make sure you are taking the correct support supplements pertaining to your cycle and your basic supplements as always.
Hope this helps - let me know if you have questions. Stay safe and healthy
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Two thumbs UP! Very helpful.It was simple and concise. Definitely a must read for us newbies. good looking out.
Great post!
It can be helpful to beginners.
Test should be the base for almost any cycle. Learning which esters will best suit your goals is important. Along with figuring out how to create a proper cycle, you want to learn how to properly combat any sides, PCT/Recovery. A lot start without the knowledge of AI's and proper PCT.
Slow and steady wins the race! Good read.. did Test E and EQ for my first 3 in the of season. Clean gains on a clean diet!
smallguyI have another 2 cycles of test only, then its test and eq. I cant wait! I had a buddy who swears by eq. He was one of the biggest and strongest dudes I've ever seen. 6'1", long torso, long arms, 260-280. Lean. Just looked like a freak. He would also take upwards of dbol around 100mg/day for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off throughout his "12" week blast with test and eq. Not so interested in the dbol, but the test and eq (if its legit) sounds like a clean way to go that produces GREAT gains.
like i said, cant wait.
Thanks bro,
Great information. Very appreciated !!!
I am thinking of a cycle of Test cypionate (750 mg/week) and anadrol (100mg/day). I have cycled before, but have never done this combo exclusively. This cycle will be for 12 weeks (yes I know...anadrol for 12 weeks, perhaps I will break that up:A50- for 6 weeks and tren for the last 6. Stats: age 39, 280 pounds, heavy juicer in the 90's. Thoughts on the cycle? How can it be improved?
Wrong place for advice bro ... get this posted in cycles section and you will get good responce there ok.
Thanks for the advice. It was pretty nice one.
Nice advice Im still researching, but can't wait till my first cycle.
im sorry im new to this and still learning but whats long ester?
CleyonI'm not a scientist, but here is my understanding. An "ester" is a molecular structure attached to the testosterone molecule in order to sustain it's release. A short ester like Propionate will generally release the whole amount of injected Testosterone in three to four days, while the Cypionate and Ethenate esters are longer and delay the full release for two weeks or more.
Products such as Sustanon 250 contain a mixture of four different esters, and can be a great entry into the Testosterone scene. I hope my rambling helped.
Oh like test e 250?
So you want to create the perfect cycle for yourself. So how do you go about this? Well there's a lot of things you need to know before you can sit down and create yourself a perfect cycle.The most important thing you need to know is what your EXACT goals are for THIS cycle. From the above article you can figure out exactly what steroids are right for you and at what dosages.
I have approached every cycle like this. Working my way up to the mack daddy tren. looking forward to that date, I have it scheduled for summer cut of 2013 right now.
heading into the midway point of my first cycle (test cyp) like you suggested I kept it simple. I am researching what to use for my next, so thanks for the info!
What are the supporting supps peeps use? Same as on a ph?
On #3 and no Gyno but will def keep PCT avail if need be. thx 4 info
This is really helpful, thanks. Can't stress enough: safety first.
good advice here.
Can you please PM me?
Greatly appreciated.
Hey guys I have done many cycles Sus being my fav. This time I am doing Sus and EQ always wanted to try EQ
Question just started Sus last week when would be good to add in EQ at what week and how long to run both compounds together? Week wise at what dosage
Thanks.
Hey I'm almost in the same exact boat...I started test E last week and I'm tryn to decide if I should throw the EQ in...iheard u should start them at the same time but can u start it later? Just run the cycle an extra week or so? Anyone who can help please give us ur knowledge!
Based on my experience you can start both of them at the same time but when you are about to end your cycle stop eq a week before you stop your sust. I usually run eq for 14-16 weeks as it is very slow acting and long estered. 400-600mg/ week of eq will do you wonders so don't abuse it! Cheers!
Great solid information Thanks for taking the time to help those of us who get totally confused by all the crazy cycles that others post.
Hi I was wondering how deca and tren e would be to run together. I also got tamoxifen. I want to add lean muscle. I am also uncertain how to fit the tamox in as I have never used an anti estregen in a cycle. Thank u!
Deca and tren only? That's foolish. U need test.
I've heard people say that it's a really bad idea to run 19nor's together regardless of test base. I did it. I had absolutely no problems with libido or my wee wee. I used test cyp as a base but none the less, I had no problems at all. I'm aware that what I did is highly discouraged. I guess it depends on the individual. I ran the cyp and Deca together then incorporated tren a with it after a few weeks. I figured if I had any problems I could eliminate the tren since it is in and out of your system so fast. But, I had no such problems. I am in no way recommending this, just putting my own account out there so ppl could hear all perspectives.
you never wanna run deca and tren together especially without test unless you want your wee wee to shut down completly and never get it back lol. im bein serious by the way! ask anyone. do your research and study up before using son. Got Damn Boy Everybody Know Dat lol
Maybe it's just me ! But why would a 20 year old need all of that ? Why not just do a test only cycle . More is not better . I've made gains of just using 300mg a week of test .
This is my cycle, not yet started. still seeking advice.
Cycle One
Wks 1-16 Test E 750mg/wk
Wks 1-14 Deca 400mg/wk
Wks 1-14 Bold 600mg/wk
Wks 1 Anadrol 50mg/day
Wks 2-4 Anadrol 100mg/day
OCT
Wks 1-16Adex 1.0 50mg ED
Wks 10-14 HCG 250i.u ED
PCT
Wks 18-22 Clomid 50mg ED
or CYCLE #2
Wks 1-16 Test E 750mg/wk
Wks 9-16 Tren A 400mg/wk
Wks 1-14 Bold 600mg/wk
Wks 1 Anadrol 50mg/day
Wks 2-4 Anadrol 100mg/day
OCT
Wks 1-16Adex 1.0 50mg ED
Wks 10-14 HCG 250i.u ED
PCT
Wks 18-22 Clomid 50mg ED
Stats:
Age 20
BF 12%
Height 5"7
Weight 11.5 stone
Goals:
To gain size and strength
Steroid experience:
This would be my 4 cycle, have done all of the above steroids but in different orders.
I am very keen on using all of the above steroids as they all have unique effects, what do you think of the doses i have come up with, also my OCT and PCT??
tread-mDONT TRY TO ACHIEVE TOO MANY THINGS IN YOUR FIRST CYCLE for me should say don't try to achieve too many things in any cycle. This is a long process and each time you use more than you had to in order to achieve you have to trump that later. Going up too fast in any cycle only insures you are running out of cards and you do end up later needing that mega stack when you could have went in very slow and work hard with small gains and find yourself still achieving 30 years later. I always hate to see people using 4 or 5 compounds in cycles in there first year or even there first 5 years. It is avoiding hard work and diet commitment in my opinion and most of all having no patience. That translates into problems later because you find yourself having a very hard time achieving by the time you get 5 years into your training. 5 years passes fast and if you go as small as possible every time and try to mix up your cycles using fewer compounds it causes confusion to the brain and hormone loop allowing achievement. This is the same reason you use muscle confusion in your workouts by changing things up frequently. You can't add an hour to your workout every year because that stops working very soon, muscle confusion breaks our plateau's without adding more time to the workouts and the same thinking works with your gear. Your goals should be small with small gains because you are retraining your brain to accept what you are doing from a hormonal standpoint and you cannot train your brain to accept 30 lbs you gain in 16 weeks. If you set goals of say a pound a month you will find you don't need near the gear and you never plateau from a gear standpoint (mixing it up) and you don't have to take 5 different drugs post cycle to hold those gains because the body is much more likely to accept them. Think about it, that's 12 lbs of extreme quality in a year and you own those gains. This is not even to mention the extreme stress on your body from the massive fluctuation in weight going the other direction. Your body can only take so much of that not to mention your mental capacity. Slow is a healthy practice in your training and fast is not only unhealthy, it will not work in the long hall. If you do stick with it you will find yourself struggling much more 5 years in than I do 25 years in. I know age is a huge factor in patience but if you younger guys can find the patience and discipline to slow down and enjoy what you are doing it will pay huge dividends later. You can still improve your body and shred up as you put on the quality bulk that your body will keep without all the crazy effort so many go through to hold on to the 5 lbs of good gains and 20 lbs of trash and water the huge stacks bring. This conversation whether you agree with me or anyone else for that matter should be had more frequently so I'll rep you for starting it even though I would do things a little different. I still like the debates and learn a lot here in my mid 40's . Its like every time someone asks me to help them I end up learning something too so this is a great place for serious people when it comes to training.
I'm not trying to be rude but I personally wouldn't risk my freedom and safety for 12lbs a year from starting weight. I would, however accept 12 solid pounds per year to a solid packed frame of mass. People have different situations, reasons and goals for what they are doing in training. I don't wholesale disagree with you, there's actually a lot of really good information in your post, just my 2 cents.
Great thread for newcomers to the game. I'm on my second cycle of Test e, EQ and Dbol(dropping this in about a week) goin on 4 weeks now. Seeing solid gains and actually loosing BF. I was thinking of kicking up the mgs (currrently running 500mg of each per week) but after reading some other threads and then coming across this, it has definitely changed my mind. Thanks both of you guys for helping me stay confident on the track I'm heading towards.
How did that stack work for you? did you stick with it? Im about to run a similar stack with st450 and novla to keep things in check also going to add clomid for pct.