-1 PCT for people who stayed on too long?
In the past I had stuck to 12 week cycles and PCT'ed afterwards and my natural test came about in about a month after using Nolvadex/Clomid 50/50/20/20.
But I believed in this guy on steroid.com who said 20 week cycles were the way to go.
I stayed on a heavy cycle of test/tren for the 20 weeks and found that when I tried to PCT after such a long cycle, my test did not come back it didn't seem. I didn't actually my test levels checked at the doctor, but after a month of PCT I still had 0 sex drive and was weak as hell. I quickly jumped back on some sustanon and I have been using ever since. That was about 8-10 months ago, I've been on anabolics all year. I go 8 weeks on, 2 weeks bridge to some extent, I haven't been tracking my use very well anymore. I used to track it on an excel spreadsheet, but now I basically just take 250mg Test E for 2 weeks and then for 8 weeks take an astronomical amount of juice, like 1.2g Test and 800mg Tren or whatever I have my hands on at the time.
I'd like to PCT and have it be effective and see if I could still maybe get my natural test back to some extent. Do you think there's any hope for me? Or am I doomed to a life of TRT/HRT for the rest of my life? I enjoy taking anabolics as I have worked out since I was 15, but I thought I might like to have kids at some point.
My question is this; what PCT would be most effective at bringing back my natural test after being on steroids for this long, if it's even possible? Could I use proviron or something so I could have some sort of sex drive? It's kind of a big deal to me, I can't stand having no sex drive whatsoever. Being weak at the gym is really depressing too.
Please help if you can :).
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AnonI'd come off after running just test P for last 4 weeks. The last two weeks start some HGH @ 2iu's 5 days a week and start the PCT Rods suggested 5 days after your last Test P pin. Stay on the HGH (bump to 7 days a week near end of PCT) for at least 3 months, better off six months. This works well for me after long runs. And don't run tren to the end of anything ever. You'll keep almost all your gains and won't get that weak feeling I know you're experiencing, just my experience.
AnonI suggest you hit an aggresive pct for about 8 weeks:
Week 1-8 Aromasin 25mg
Week 1-4 HCG 250iu ed/e0d
Week 1-6 60/40/40/20/20/10 nolva
I will be in your shoes in about 3 months time so thats what i am going to do, might through some clomid as well in the mix to cover all corners
I know hcg is not suggested on a normal pct but in a long cycle i think it is a must
Your drive will still be down after this, use some proviron sparingly after you finish pct until your natural test and libido bounces back.
Hey mate you are not doomed. I was on a so called cycle for around 2 years. It went from comp to comp. although I wouldn't recommend that you do it but your natural test should come back after some time. Mine did. I would recommend a break though. There is so much more info out there nowa days. Just remember if you don't use it you can loose it. Good luck mate and I hope you make the best decision for your self and don't cause any long term negative effects
Eric090585maybe some androgel or testim along with your pct for part of it...
Eric090585wow! 20 weeks?! i know HCG is supposed to help a lot when it comes to bringing back natural test levels..but after that long who knows.. but it's worth a try along with some nolva/clomid of course
Yeah the guy who recommended it basically said that there's no reason to come off steroids. He says that cycles are pretty much pointless as gains cannot be kept without HGH use. He said that gains can only really be kept for about 2 weeks. That's why he recommends 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off for life. After 8 weeks supposedly steroids lose their effectiveness, and a 2 week break frees up your receptors for another blast :). I've been using HCG off and on just to keep the atrophy at bay. Like 500 i.u. every other day. Prior to a PCT I would probably try a lot of HCG to see if I can get my nuts as large as possible before the SERM usage?