GOODBYE WINSTROL....YOU FUCKING SADISTIC PRICK.
Having been involved with anabolic steroids for a full 5 months now, I'm still at the "candy store" stage where I get to go around and sample all the tasty offerings from the world of gear, deciding what gives me the milage for my money. I've tried a couple different orals...T-bol....D-bol....and I'm in my 4th week of winstrol. My 4th week will also be my final week---EVER.
I've always heard that Winny makes your joints sore, but I just figured I'd lighten the weight and go for insane pumps. The pumps have been there, but my shoulders are SHOT. After 30 years of training, including 15 years of competitive powerlifting, I've realized that Winny AIN'T FOR OLD GUYS. Some of you may be OK with it, but I've had enough. I like the ripped, hard look I'm getting, but there are other options for that.
I'm going to double up on the Cell Tech (creatine) and increase my water intake. Deca isn't an option untill January, but I'll be happy when the new year rolls around.
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I've had the same issue with wistrol. Apparently winny is the worst, but all the DHT derivative AASs have the potential to cause exaggerated inflammatory responses if used long enough and in high enough quantities. I've gotten the same tendon pain from high levels of proviron stacked with anavar. What's going on is that your joints are not "dry", but rather its the opposite effect of what you get on corticosteroids which are anti-inflammatory. If you are lifting hard, it's natural to have an inflammatory response and DHT AASs with amplify this which is bad for old guys. Takes about 4 weeks for it to show and 4 weeks off for it to clear up.
AnonIt is also suppresses estrogen that would normally be found in the joints along with the corticosteroids.. there is a good article floating around here that gets into the technicalities of it.
Hey Goth....just outa curiosity when you say "been involved with anabolic steroids for a full 5 months now" what do you mean? As a beginner I ran test e for 12 weeks which is basically 3 months and then time off plus PCT. That equates to more than 5 months. How are you able to run through so many compounds? Are you saying once you got past the newbie phase of a Test E run and then adding a compound on the next and now you are in full swing? Or what?
I try to follow you as much as I can as you seem to be quite knowledgable on AAS [along with grrrl of course ;)]. You two among others are a great asset to this community I've found.
Thanks...IVe researched steroids for many years...wrote a research paper on them in college back in the 80s..
I've ran several compounds due to the fact that there is no pct for me...l simply blast and cruise..after only 5months, I'm still testing some things out, but I'm staying on them long enough to guage effectiveness.
I'm just about ready to cruise for a while on lowdose testim...I,m ready for some time out of the gym and some pizza.
Sorry for the poor grammar...I'm in the Car on a tablet and grrrl is puposely trying to hit every bump in the road that the lazy ass state road workers didn't fix.
Ahhh....gotcha. Sounds good brother. Keep doin what you doin.
Thanks for the reply.
tread-mMy centrino is due in any day here so I will give you my opinion on it too...I know grrrl didnt care for it but my long term use of glucosamine/chondroitin has completely got rid of my joint issue brother. I had bad knees from running my ass into the dirt and played some football blah blah but started using it when it was script from my bro in law since he wouldnt shut up about it and boom....knees quit bothering me. Got off of it and it came back later so I'm a lifer. It was and may still he the only thing approved by the fda that actually showed to rebuild cartilage in the joints. If you dont use it already just run it for 6 months and see how you do. Let me know on your prop as well, joe is having luck but as he said no comparison and so is Mekanik but he is new as well so I know you have used it so let me know your thoughts. Talked to a long term user of centrino the other day and he said he loves all centrino oil so thats good! I've used many of the different brands, in fact three different in the last month running through my locals so I'm a pretty good judge of it. I did find another Balkan prop local so I'm excited to compare it to centrino, I've always had good luck with Balkan and especially the knock off which must be the same supplier over and over because I've had enough knock off and its always good. Once I try the source if its good I'll submit them..unless this centrino is off the hook and then I dont need it!
I'm not touching this shit. Not Even with a two meters stick.
Water based --> if UG, increased risk of infection.
pip --> makes your injection site sore as fuck.
methylated even the depot version. --> liver values.
dries your joints soooooooo hard.
fuck your lipids panel.
I think there are best options for us.
Peace.
AnonYou can get it in an oil base.. but he's been using the oral version. You are correct water based is increased risk of infection ...
Lil off subject but hard to find many who've done tbol. How would you compare it to other orals as far as kick starts in strength and gains to a longer cycle after the oral kick start is over. As in keepable gains etc.
AnonRods and I have both used Tbol (so has Goth til I stole it from him) we all like it a lot! the strength gains have been outstanding and quite frankly, I m finishing my cycle and don't really want to stop taking it.
AnonDont forget bro you have been powerlifting for 15 years like you said, even an AI would make your joints super sore. Did you try leaving longer breaks between sets or training or nothing helped? I want to spot inject some winny in this cycle i am running but after this post it doesnt look promising. Before dropping it alltogether maybe give glucosamine a go and double your efa's?
Between powerlifting and basketball on concrete for 4 hours a day back in the 80's and 90's, there's no doubt I'm paying the price.
My chest workout yesterday was 135 lbs for sets of 25 superet with pec-deck flys to failure with 45 seconds rest before the next superset. Then on to shoulders.
The pump was great and I'm growing---I just need to get some releif.
And then there is the "Test" problem we spoke of. I've got some prop comming, and if that Centrino Prop jump-starts me, I'm going to have an ax to gring with a certain lab located in a certain country close to Germany. The Tren is working for sure, but the Test is waving red flags.
AnonI bet after that superset you would think your delts are going to fall off? When you receive the centrino prop just pin it before you sleep, the best way to test prop is just before you sleep. If you wake up in your sleep from permawoody then it is dam good stuff! Dont throw the lixus away no matter how under it is if you cut it with 100mg-150mg of prop it will work nicely
Thanks...The only decision I'll have to make then is whether to sneak downstairs to surf porn of wake grrrl up.
Thank God I have Testim....I SOOOO defended Lixus for months, but I really do think they may have a "Test problem". There's supposed to be 75mg. of Test acetate per ml in Rip Blend, as well as Tren Ace, and Mast prop. I'm sure the Tren is there, but I'm crashing HARD. Everything is pointing to no test. Another 900/wk with their Test Cyp as well....no sex drive...tired all the time... depressed...angry at the cat for drinking out of my cup of N.O. Xplode. Plenty of night sweats, GREAT muscle mass and looking good.
But as time goes on, I'm really starting to wonder about the Lixus Test.
The mind is a powerful thing...I see a lot of placebo effect her on eroids.
Greed is a funny thing my brutha... And unfortunately it's the SRC's that take the brunt when a lab decides it wants to start skimping for the purpose of "the bottom line"
I haven't tried Lixus(yet)but have a small stash of test e, so hopefully my batch has slipped thru the cracks of bureauocracy (but it does seem like its the cyp that's getting the bad rap)
I'd REALLY like to know what your impressions are when it comes time to cack that vial.
I've got some E left as well.
When I had my blood test ran, I clocked in at over 1500, so I just assumed the test was good. But I was on other compounds as well, including Test E at the time.
PLEASE CENTRINO...SAVE ME....PLEASE!!!
Bro as soon as I close my eyes on centrino I have wood. For real.
I will second that even on my low dose - no doubts anymore...
Looking forward to more opinions on the centrino'
i posted two pics of the centrino in product reviews they are on page 4. Testrovin and prop 100. i am the only one leaving any reviews. i been using it for 5 weeks and although its my first cycle and i have nothing to compare to i know it has done wonders for me in strength gains and muscle gains.
cool - will check that out Joe..what is your dosage?
edit: saw dosage on other page
Yup. If I run too high a dose it kills my endurance for mma, bjj. Im getting great results on only 125 mg wk. This is my second run with Centrino Prop.
AnonSounds promising i was looking forward to a review on that prop. Time to stock up, thanks bro
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkFor sure. Sometimes I just want to take a few months off of what I do just so I could run higher doses and really bulk up but I love what I do and too much test kills my cardio. Im loving it and so is the wifey.
Ive been running the centrino prop and I love it. I pop boners like a middle schooler lol and heal overnight it seems. My last cycle I ran injectable stanz and popped about 4 glucosamines a day and felt pretty good. I couldnt run for shit though and got mad calf pumps.
Just realized this was in the "mature" section my bad.
Anonmature is relative.. instead of two year olds pitching fits .. we have 5 year olds having temper tantrums..
I still don't mind a lil winny EOC, but orals are for PUSSY'S, I'm a stanz man!
I'd have gotten the depot version, but my source didn't carry it.
My new source does, but grrrl's getting the winny stash for herself.
Seriously?! You would've gotten that steroid but the wife took'em for herself? you guys are one scary couple! : /
AnonI snatched up the winny, I took the Tbol, I used all the anavar, and I have laid claim to the deca, primo, and eq...
Lol Fuck winny, var is better IMO. But how was the tbol compared to dbol? and you havent tried deca yet?
Yeah, Deac was my first oil, along with Test.
I LOVED T-bol...it even helped me sleep better for some reason.
I'm 35 and finishing off a cycle rite now with Anavar and winnie and my joints are getting pretty sore day after day. Trying to ruff it out. Winstrol is definately not an old mans drug. Like you said 7 there are other options.