Help with dosages with my pct products?
Okay I have liquid nolvadex, 10,000ius of HCG, and arimidex. No aromasin or clomid. What OTC supps can I run to help and also help with getting the most out of my serms, AI, and peptide. Liquid Pramipex is on the way. My cycle ends in 6 weeks. I ran 300mg test enth/deca 200 on 4rth week upped the deca to 400mgs test 600mgs. I then switched to tren enth400mgs/ 300mgs test enth on week 7. This will be a 16 week cycle. I've had no problems with any high estradiol or prolactin side effects. I only started adex on week 7 at .25mg e3-eod.
I've ran nolvadex 40-40-20-20 before in weaker cycles. Should I run it more than 4 weeks in this one?
Age:28
Height:5'8"
Weight:180+lbs
History: 1st was sdrol alone(bad idea) 2nd was test enth 300mg to 600mgs a week half way through. I've only ran nolvadex for pct in the past. This is my third cycle. What I have for pct is all I can afford now. But like I said pramipex is on the way. Thank you for any informative advise.
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You want to do HCG during your cycle. Start running 200 IU 3 times a week. This will prime your testes. Do not do HCG during your PCT, it is suppressive.
PCT really should be Clomid AND Nolvadex together (they both do slightly different things in the pituitary and the competitive nature between the 2 compounds creates synergies). As wonderful as Nolvadex is as a compound it is really a big mistake to just rely on that for your PCT.
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20/20
As far as timing. Stop 19-nor compounds 10 days early and just run testosterone. After your last testosterone shot wait 14 days to start PCT. You can run HCG all the way up to the last week before PCT.
I hope this helps.
I have another SERM on the way called toremefin and also Pramipex for prolactin. I will have more test left over when the tren runs out. so I was planning to run test for couple weeks alone towards the end. Thank for the advise. I'll look into the best HCG protocal and try and decide soon
You're welcome and I wish you the best of luck.
It's nice having the HCG on hand...some use it for a blast before or part of PCT. But it has to be used with aromasin or arimidex which you do not have unfortunately. You could use it during your cycle since you are still "on" perhaps?
Like they always say on here, have the proper ancillaries on hand BEFORE you even start your cycle.
Maybe an experience vet can come up with something for you.
Good luck bro.
I have plenty of arimidex but no aromasin. Have you tried the HCG blast before?
From what I have read, you can use arimidex too....but ppl seem to prefer aromasin.
I am actually trying it for the first time as we speak. Doing 500iu for 10 days. Longer than that and at higher doses you do risk suppression and thereby counter productive to recovery.
I did a standard PCT without HCG last time. I was shut down hard from tren and it took me quite awhile to get things going again. So this time I am giving HCG a try after doing a lot of reading. There are some conflicting opinions on HCG and PCT so you have to pick through the bones:)
I will see how it goes. If my results are lack luster then I will try using HCG during cycle as others sometimes do so as to lend a faster recovery.
It is I think some trial and error with a combination of what works for you? But for the most part, you can find some tried and true basic guidelines to what works.
Good luck bro.
HCG is suppressive. Don't do it during PCT, it is counterproductive. hCG mimics LH, your body will not produce LH while you are taking hCG, just like it will not produce testosterone when you are taking testosterone.
I have read a lot of research...many from veterans on here that advocate use of HCG to start at PCT. What I have read does say it can be suppressive at high dosages and prolonged use.
Your position is to never take it at the end of cycle? What do you say to those veterans that advocate its use at the start of PCT to stimulate LH to kick start the system?
Are you in complete disagreement with many of the expert veterans here? If so, can you back up what you are saying?
Not being disrespectful....just wondering how you have come to your assumptions about HCG?
I personally have started a 500iu HCG protocol for PCT. And I will eventually post my experience upon completion.
Last time I did a standard PCT of clomid and nolva but because I came off a long cycle it took awhile to rebound. That was my reasoning to seek out an improved PCT for improved results.
Thanks
" What I have read does say it can be suppressive at high dosages and prolonged use."
HCG suppresses LH from the very 1st injection. It's not some what suppressive, it suppressive. Remember hCG mimics LH so when you introduce that into the body, the body responds by stopping production of LH. Just like with testosterone, you introduce testosterone into the body artificially and the body stops producing its own.
I never said not to take hCG at the end of the cycle. I said not to take it during PCT. If you really want to understand PCT study the HPTA. Is not just about your testes or your pituitary, there is a lot more to it. This is why you should be taking hCG during your cycle so that by the time PCT rolls around, you don't have to worry about your testes (provided they were normally functioning before).
hCG is a wonderful compound, and it has other benefits in the body besides the ones for the testes. But it will suppress LH.
"Not being disrespectful....just wondering how you have come to your assumptions about HCG?"
That's the whole thing it's not an assumption. Just do some research in the medical community and you will find out very quickly that hCG is suppressive.
"Last time I did a standard PCT of clomid and nolva but because I came off a long cycle it took awhile to rebound. That was my reasoning to seek out an improved PCT for improved results."
What probably happened is your testes were shut down and your PCT was not long enough to overcome that. Clomid and Nolvadex, if your body responded to them, would have caused your pituitary to start producing LH and FSH. But that doesn't happen right away. Now remember your testes will also take a while to start and the thing that's going to start them (LH) has now been delayed because it took a while to get your pituitary to start. If your PCT wasn't long enough you have a problem because you had to restart both your pituitary and your testes and one was sequentially dependent on the other. But if you use hCG throughout your cycle and your testes don't shut down, then they are ready and primed to receive the necessary signal from the pituitary to start producing testosterone. I'm not saying that this is exactly what happened in your case, but an explanation of what might've happened so that you can follow the logic behind using hCG (when and how).
As far as veterans go. I've been around for a while and if you go back long enough PCT was just hCG for some and that's it. We've come a long time since then, and we have a better understanding of the body and the compounds and how they work together. Back then I did hCG for recovery. I also did cycles when I was a kid without any PCT and recovered (Luckily), but that doesn't mean I did the right thing.
You REALLY dislike the standard hcg for pct protocals. It doesn't make since to take hcg while your still injecting extremely suppressive drugs that are causing the atrophy your trying to fix. It makes since to take it when you've stopped the drugs. But on the other hand, it really might not matter which way you do it. It doesn't seem like it would. Just personal preference.
That is the point of hCG. Is that while you are taking suppressive compounds like testosterone your testes won't atrophy and will be ready when you initiate PCT. That's why it's a good idea to have hCG in every cycle.
I guess I'd just want to take it for no more than 10 days, probably 5 since your bits can grow back to boys in about two days. I am afraid of taking hcg too long even if it's low dosed and split 2 times a week. A blast for 5 days them OFF seems more appealing to me
Yeah the HCG for ten days at least 5000ius a day for 10 days is only to kick start your testies to produce LH. I'm gonna try GnRH(gonadotropin releasing hormone aka luteinizing releasing hormone) after the hcg blast. With tren I'd take an anti prolactin to taper up and down like pramipexol cause it's cheap. I'm currently on test e 400mgs/tren e 400mgs for 16 weeks. I'll also take d aspartic acid/tribulus once I stop my serms because I intend to take a 20+ Week break using only peptide combo cycles like igf-lr3 ghrp6/cjc no-dac GnRH and peg mgf for my weight training. I'll be posting my results and experience.
With blood work of course probably in week 8 after I stop the SERMs.