Kick start/HCG help
Im getting back on gear after a year off (screwed up with TrenE last year). This is my 5th cycle now, 25 yr old, 233lbs 12% bf. Diet is great and I have been training for about 9 years now.
I want to jump on a longer EQ cycle this time. I respond well to EQ and love the results. My cycle looks like this so far:
1-4 Test Prop 100mg/EOD
1-20 EQ 800/Wk
1-20 TestE 375mg/Wk
My questions are:
1. Being on a longer cycle, I need HCG right? What's a good dose, I have never used HCG
2. What can I combine with TestP for a solid kickstart? I was thinking of Tbol but I also saw a blend that had 50mg TNE, 25mg Dbol, 25mg Tbol, 750MCG of mTren and 50mg Anadrol
My goal for this cycle is to really get my strength up, focus on getting lean mass that will last and cut up post cycle. I am already a big boy so size isn't as much as concern as leaning out more and adding quality size in lacking places.
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If this is your fifth cycle and your good with prop, I'd throw in a taper for the last 2 weeks also. If you had a bad experience with tren a year ago, IMO, it's not worth fuckin around again so soon, so leave that blend out. Honestly if you aren't looking for size, test p is all you need for a kickstart. Maybe some TNE, TNE/drol, TNE/Dbol, or even TNE/Dbol/drol as a PWO (note: I'm suggesting 1 of those PWO blends not all) for some added strength (the same source carries all of these blends). As far as HCG, I agree that it doesn't need to be run all cycle. 1 5000 iu kit at the end of your cycle 250 iu 2x/week is all it takes. Also, HCG only has a shelf life of about 35-40 days once it's reconstituted, so if you follow my protocol you probably won't even use 1 whole kit. You can use the HCG longer if you are truly worried about appearance of your boys, but long term use carries the risk of desensitizing the leydigs cells.
I will def add a taper in, I just want 20 solid weeks of EQ and I am getting nervous with adding any more time. Never been on a cycle longer than 16 weeks. I thought I'd try TrenA in that blend but I am VERY hesitant. I dont think I will. Thanks for the suggestions on a kick. Wont Dbol or Drol add a lot of mass? I know dbol will get me strength. I was thinkin Tbol for 4 weeks at 50mg per day... thoughts?
You're going to find many differing opinions on hcg. What I've found recently is it's really not worth running throughout the cycle unless you experience testicular atrophy, it's good for keeping the boys plump, but can actually be counter productive If you run it too long. If you're running a standard nolva clomid pct, I would use it right before pct to spark your natural system back to life.
And btw you'll want to discontinue eq one week before the test e so it has more time to clear your system before the test does. It's a longer esther.
Anyone with kickstart advice....
Anon"need HCG" thats a tall order. Use HCG if your balls start to shrink up bad, or towards the end of the cycle to hwelp you in to pct. 500ius every 4 days when it comes time.
HCG would be a good idea. The standard protocol is to start at 2-3 weeks in and finish a week before PCT at 250iu twice a week. If you still get atrophy then the dose would need to be increased.
That blend sounds like liver failure in a bottle to be honest and you wouldn't be able to use it for more than 3 weeks due to MTren. You can use Test P and Tbol to kickstart and you could continue this for 6 weeks if you want.