Am I maxin' my cycle
Just a follow up but I am 4 weeks into my TestCyp600/TrenE200/Win50mg(ED) cycle and I have added 10 pounds since starting. I love the intensity and have no sides to speak of other than hot flashes and insomnia (no big deal lol). I am also taking 1g Adex per day. I asked earlier about my diet and have changed it since. Can someone look at it and my lifts to see if I am maximizing my benefits from the gear.
7am 4egg whites, 4whole eggs, 1 whole wheat English muffin
10am turkey sandwich on wheat (nothing else on it)
1pm huge salad, 2 chicken breasts, whole wheat pasta
4pm 2 chicken breasts, 1 apple
6pm afterglow (post work out supp) 20gPro 32gCarbs
730pm some fish, vegetable (broccoli, salad, asparagus)
10pm cottage cheese, peanut butter
I cant seem to force myself to eat much more and I am trying to ex carbs out by 2pm (except PWO). Any suggestions?
My work outs just changed and I am doing:
Mon:Chest,Bi, Quad (12,10,8,6)
Wed:Back, Tri, Calves (12,10,8,6)
Fri:Should, Trap, Ham (12,10,8,6)
Sat:Chest, Back (Heavy 5,3,1 or 5X5)
Sun:Legs, Shoulders (Heavy 5,3,1 or 5X5)
I was doing all groups once a week but I have been reading too much stuff out there saying to work muscles multiple times a week as opposed to one time.
Bottom line, I want to maximize the use of TrenE. Is my diet high enough to keep with good size while keeping fat away and are my workout splits beneficial to gaining lean solid mass? I am plannin on doing this cycle for 15 weeks with clomid and nolva pct.... any suggestions or should i stick to what I have. I have never used tren before so any insight helps
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Nowhere near enough protein intake for your current bodyweight here bro,you need to be adding some whey/casein shakes mid meals to getting in the upper 400s nearer 500 grams for my liking... you are abusing my 2pm carb buffer here... NO CARBS AFTER 2PM means zero but i dont understand why you are doing it on a bulk run???
IMO you are going to need a really hardcore PCT after this! winny is renownd for shutting down heavy and youve run it from the start! tren E is a totally different beast than tren A and will leave you shut down far longer... IMO dont start PCT until 1 month after cycle ends to allow these esters to clear properly then hit clomid and nolva hard... hopefully your natty test will boot back up over this period if not at your age it looks like low dose TRT instead of PCT for life! also that massive adex dose will be making you hold water which you are mistaking for body fat... drop that down or knock it on the head all together and watch the difference in a matter of days... if youre gonna do steroids DO STEROIDS and let it do its job.
Even no carbs for Post WO? What about veg since its fiber and has no net carbs or very little if any? I can get the pro up with shakes but I dont like adding too many just because I feel bloated with more than a shake or 2 a day. And its not that I am trying to avoid them its that when my carbs are above 200g a day I gain fat easy as shit and cant drop weight as fast as I lose it. I dont mind adding muscle but I just got down to 10% not to long ago and have been a life time 12%-14%bf person.
I stopped taking winny and wont start again till week 12 or 13. Ill wait a month for PCT, I was thinking 3 weeks but you think a month with both being long ester?
With adex you think I should just drop it for now and wait for sides then take it? Or go to the 1mg EOD now?
Glad you dropped the winny bro and yes wait a month to pct and drop the adex altogether for now and see how you go..if any signs of gyno appear take a quarter tab EOD thats all you need... regarding pro try to up the lean meats and fish instead of powder reason i say this is because hi pro intake will raise your metabolic rate and lead to more fat burning because its putting the body under more strain to assimilate it... try this i promise the BF will drop big time!... also drink plenty water because if you are holding now that will that will recreate the bodys natural balance and help with any bloat issues from pro intake... also try eating fresh pineapple to help with pro digestion also... fire these things up and keep me posted with any changes which you should see within 2 weeks ok.
Sounds good man, I did the winny just because I wanted kick and loved how pumped i felt on winny and the strength increase. i didnt want to add something else new on top of never running tren before. My adex is a capsul... so its a mg or nothing. Damn research chem companies. Ill post back here in a couple weeks after i make the changes you suggest.... What about the tren/test ratio? 400/400 or somethign different from my 600/200 now?
Yeah tren test ratio is important for receptors i suggest you try the 400/400 from the next pin bro... this will allow the tren to give best results and also helps to cut down sides dramatically... low test keeps libido up and running low also means less test bloat which will help to show lean muscle instead of the wet clouded look like when test is ran too high... i bet money you see massive changes with this approach bro.. also come to me for your next cycle so we get it spot on from day one ok.
should i do 2 pins per week of 200/200 or 1 of 400/400?
Beastmode, viking is at work at the moment but i will send him a text to come in here later ok, i would say yes and do two pins pr wk 200/200 but i will let him confirm this.
X2... hit 200/200x2 brother that will work fine... got your FR so we are G2G with the next run whenever you are ready hit me up ok
Cool man, I pin first thing tomorrow so in a couple weeks Ill let you know how it goes. I appriciate the help bro and really appreciate having guys like you on here to help out. Also side note, I have no clue how to PM do you know? And should I hold off on Adex till I see some sides or use .5eod for bloating for now?
Ok cool man, after all the research Ive done, I have never seen the 400/400 approach so this is new for me. I have gotten puffy since starting cycle again so hopefully this will take me back to normal or better? I'll def seek you out for my next cycle. I have a comp I want to enter in April of next year so when I finish this cycle in Nov, I probably want to jump back on sometime in Jan maybe sooner... Ill send you a message and see if you can build me something
Even no carbs for Post WO? What about veg since its fiber and has no net carbs or very little if any? I can get the pro up with shakes but I dont like adding too many just because I feel bloated with more than a shake or 2 a day. And its not that I am trying to avoid them its that when my carbs are above 200g a day I gain fat easy as shit and cant drop weight as fast as I lose it. I dont mind adding muscle but I just got down to 10% not to long ago and have been a life time 12%-14%bf person.
I stopped taking winny and wont start again till week 12 or 13. Ill wait a month for PCT, I was thinking 3 weeks but you think a month with both being long ester?
With adex you think I should just drop it for now and wait for sides then take it? Or go to the 1mg EOD now?
If I may ask Beast why did you use winny in the beginning?? Winny is normally used as a finisher towards the end of a cycle. I see that you are running winny at the end of cycle which is good. However are you using any sort of liver support. Also I think you should have your diet and gym routine dialed before use of tren, and tren being a 19-nor i believe you should have caber on hand as well along with the adex. However I'm sure zewi and cleyton will be able to better clarify as both have quite a bit more knowledge then I. Good luck bro.
Winny gives me a strength bump and good pumps on lifts so I wanted to start off with that before Tren and Test kick in. I havent used tren before so I didnt want to add anything new like Dbol or TestProp without knowing how tren would react. I know its not typical to use winny in beginning but it worked thus far.
Yes I use liver-aid, milk thistle and liv-52.
I have never heard of Caber, can you elaborate? And you think I need it if I have been on for 4 weeks and havent seen a single side yet? I do have some water retention but not alot.
zewi1g of Adex ed? 15 week cycle, your going to take winny 50mg ED for 15 weeks? what is your cycle experience?
As for Tren--Tren and Test go after the same receptors-- so you need to adjust. I'm just wondering how you would adjust?
yes 1g of adex, I am predisposed to sides especially water retention so 1g has been effective for me. I took winny for 3 weeks to start then I will take it the last 4 weeks. This is my 4th cycle, Ive taken test cyp, EQ, Sust, Win in past. Im 24, 244 now with 10.5%bf.
With both tren and test being long esters, is that what your talking about as far as the receptor? So higher, lower? And hows diet/workout look, thats more my interest while taking these
Hope that's Mg ! Or you're eating handfulls of adex
Nevermind....saw correction. Still mega high....
skittles bro, they are like skittles lol yeah im cutting it to 1mg EOD
CleyonThe side effects of Adex at that dose can be really bad brother. Specifically I'm talking about dryness in the joints, and depression. Think about lowering your dose if you even start to see signs of those two. I always say that everybody has a different body, but that's a higher dose (by x2) than I've seen anybody running.
zewiNo i mean your muscle receptors. --the go after the same ones. So you need to bring your TREN up if you want to take full advantage of it. IMO
I would drop the test to 500mg and raise the Tren up to 400mg--if not 400 and 400. problem is your running TREN E, and you have no idea how you get affected buy tren.
That's why your first tren run should be Test P and Tren A so you understand were you need to be. When you run a test e and tren e cycle.
I think you mean 1 mg
sure do, my bad
Cleyon1g a day would have been pure insanity (and REALLY expensive!)
zewiyeah i still think 1mg a day is high
CleyonThe most that I've ever heard of people using is 1mg EOD. Doubling that seems like you're asking for severely dry joints to me.
suprisingly with winny and adex my joints have been fine
CleyonI'm glad to hear it, and I'm not doubting you it just worries me. I'm sure you already know this, but stay hydrated and listen to your body. It would suck to take a big injury because your joints let out on you suddenly.
appriciate it man, I have been guzzlin water 2-2.5 gallons a day plus fish oil so i should be alright for now
he's gyno prone, at least he's not taking letro
zewii agree.
CleyonThe most that I've ever heard of people using is 1mg EOD. Doubling that seems like you're asking for severely dry joints to me.
zewiok just making sure.