+ 8 Updated labwork for Fulmen Pharma GH and Mister Raise Test Cyp
I promised you guys updated labwork after following Dacky and MegaT883's advice from the previous thread here: https://www.eroids.com/pics/labwork-from-fulmen-pharma-gh-and-rtb-gear-l...
And here we go.
To Fulmen Pharma: I publicly and very humbly apologize. I was wrong.
After following Dacky and MegaT883's advice to the letter, the real truth of the matter has been revealed. Your GH is LEGIT. I don't know if it was the Anavar I was running with it, or the multivitamin containing Biotin, or the Tren, or the Proviron, maybe it was a combination of them all, but it definitely affected the results of the labwork. Like I promised, I followed their advice to thew letter when I said I was. I took nothing but my TRT dose of Test Cypionate of 200mg every Sunday. I got the blood drawn on the date I promised. I received the results today. No, I didn't use PrivateMDLabs this time, but my Dr himself ordered it since he uses Labcorp as well like they do. Same ICMA test methodology on the IGF1 testing.
To everyone beating me up about my kidney values in the previous post, yes they were really bad then, because that labwork was at the end of a HEAVY 16 week blast of Test, Tren E, Proviron, Anavar, and GH. Have a look at them now. Not nearly as bad. TREN IS KIDNEY HARSH, whether people want to believe that or not. Yes, a few things are elevated, but that's the result of being a T1 Diabetic for 35 years. Yes, I know my A1C is higher than it should be, I'm working on it. Cholesterol, Triglycerides,and other lipids look good. Overall, I'm happy with the results. I'll end this part with this......I'll NEVER run Tren again.
Again, Fulmen Pharma, I humbly apologize and am removing the negative review, and changing it. A BIG thank you goes out to both Dacky and MegaT883 for getting involved in this and helping to get to the truth of the matter. You both are stand-up guys, and if I can ever do anything to help you, you can count on me. The knowledge you both shared with me is absolutely priceless.
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Glad you got this all sorted out, props for staying with it and getting to the bottom of it. As always, killer work by Dacky and MegaT helping you with this. +1
Glad to see your straight. Hat tip to Dacky on the time and effort he put in. Thanks brother.
Boy your bloods look like a red lighted Christmas tree.
Got some questions.1. Did you work out within 48hrs of this test? 2. In how many previous blood tests was your calcium in the high end of normal or flagged high? 3. In how many previous blood tests has your chloride been flagged low?
4. How did you get your hdl up so quick? Did you take anything or was it just dropping the tren.
5. This time how long before the test did your pump give you a dose of insulin.
Keep an eye on you blood differentials.
1.) Yes. I trained quads, hams and calves the night before. Really high intensity, as I follow Neil Hill's Y3T approach to training.
2 & 3.) Calcium, has always been between 9.1 and 10.6 for the past 5 years. Chloride has been between 96 and 101 for the same amount of time. It seems slightly lower this time around.
4.) I took nothing. Just dropped the Tren, Provi, and Var while preparing for this round of testing.
5.) My pump gives me a basal rate that varies on the time of day. It's usually set to 1.75 units per hour (which it splits into micro-doses every 5 minutes), but from 5am to 8am it's 2.25 units per hour because I have what is called "dawn phenomenon", where during the early morning hours, my BG level rises on its own due to hormones being released during those hours pre-waking. I knew I was a bit on the higher side that morning but I didn't take a correction dose until after the blood draw. I didn't want it to have any effect on the labwork.
1.The reason I asked about training is that it will cause certain values to elevate. So 4 of your flags are from training. Your Bun which is blood urea nitrogen measure urea nitrogen in your blood which is a waste product from protein break down. In a person who doesn't train it would indicate your kidneys aren't functioning correctly. But in your case it's just an overload cause from muscle break down. Same goes for creatinine. Muscular people will have elevated creatinine. Diabetics will also. So BUN,creatinine,and the ratio are seen when someone trains hard.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3383162/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2579448/
Training is also why your ALT is flagged. When we break down muscle ALT enzyme gets released and elevates the test reading. These elevations stay high for over a week once training stops.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3104191/
2.Did your Dr ever look into your elevate calcium? Your calcium levels are controlled by your Pharathyroid. It keeps calcium in a tight window by releasing PTH (PARATHYROID HORMONE). When calcium is low it releases PTH. When high it stops PTH.
May be nothing. Look up hyperparthyroidism.
4.Glad you dropped it all.
5.i think your insulin spike at the time of the previous test is the major cause of your low igf-1 level. The biotin also had an affect.
Thank you for your time and effort in getting to the bottom of this. You and Dacky are absolutely shining examples of what this community is about. Your knowledge and willingness to share it is what makes this community as awesome as it is. I do take Synthroid (T4) at 88mcg a day for hypothyroidism and have for about 10-12 years, so that may be part of the cause of my slightly elevated calcium levels.
If either yourself or Dacky ever need anything from me, I'll always be there for you guys. You've both helped me tremendously and I am grateful for it.
Thanks for testing. Lotta effort went into this. Well done all around, and good to see.
729 ng for 200 mg test cyp is not good at all
It’s not bad. He drew 3 days after shot. Mine is usually 100-150 higher with pharma cyp. Everyone is different too. Lots of factors but that’s not bad.
Yessir, exactly. Even when I use my pharmacy Watson Cypionate, 1cc a week puts me in the 700-800 range, so I know it's good. I'm happy with those numbers for cruising. I happen to have just started a new low androgen, high anabolic cycle. Let the anabolics do the work for a change.
It's good for me because my baseline is 70-90. 200mg a week puts me at 700-800. 500mg a week (see previous lab result posted) puts me at 3000.
CDGK I like your style bro, handled it with respect and further put your money where your mouth is and retested the GH. Issue resolved.
We are very lucky to have members like Dacky and MegaT who are keen to help the community with their massive knowledge base.
Thanks for posting and admitting some error in the previous assumptions...takes a man to admit they're wrong so props for that. I do agree with u that Tren will def fuck u up I just recently had similar issues with elevated kidney and liver values while running Tren and also will not be going back to Tren under any circumstances...not worth it unless u do this for a living imo....I also noticed U had the same result I had while running Tren and that was a high potassium level. Yours dropped in this new screening once u dropped the tren that's also something Tren does that a lot of guys miss it raises ur potassium levels, and if u really get up there with the tren dose ur potassium level follows u and ur just asking for problems when that happens...I know cuz it happened to me that's why I'm with u now - fuck tren!! Thanks for posting
Thank you. Absolutely bro. Tren is just way too harsh unless you're heavily competing, in my experience. I don't compete, I only compete with myself. I've decided to replace Tren with NPP in the future, which should be WAY milder on the sides and harshness on the body.
Can't agree more with Dacky! Thanks for the update and I'm glad that at last we solved this out.
+2 mate. Firstly for listening and being open to the possibility that there was something untoward at play here that needed to be excluded before the source was attacked/accused. Secondly for being a man and admiring to being wrong. The guys over at Fulmen will no doubt respect you equally for this.
I’ll be adding this to my research and it’s definitely adding weight to my theory on DHT interference with some immunoassay based testing methodologies - especially the iSYS ICMA assay used by labcorp.
I just found out that a WalMart near me does labwork, and it's through Quest Diagnostics, which I believe uses the LC/MS methodology. I might try that theory soon, and run some Anavar & Proviron with my Test and GH for several weeks, just to see the results and add to your study.
Thanks bro I’d appreciate that! Keep me posted.
Makes you wonder if the testing labs are aware of this mate?
My lab here is - and they use a Maglumi ECLIA assay that seems almost identical to the Labcorp iSYS and subject to the same interference. Luckily they can send mine to TDL who uses the Diasoran XL CLIA assay which although still an immunoassay doesn’t seem to be subject to DHT interference - still trying to prove this out with repeat testing.
Possibly in the US they’re aware. But they would not care as they are not really focused on catering to the cohort of testers who use AAS (and those including DHT in their stacks). The answer is likely to use a lab employing LC/MS as their methodology for IGF-1 testing. Easy enough in the US with Quest doing this. There is not one lab I have found (incl. searching the whole of the NHS) that does this in the UK
Thanks for re-testing mate ++
Any idea why your readings were so low on your previous test ? Just asking since im unfamiliar with HGH and the only thing that changed was you went on TRT dose of test , how can gear affect the HGH?
DHT derivatives like Proviron, Anavar, Masteron, etc can effect the testing results on ICMA-based IGF1 tests. A much more accurate way to test would be using the LC/MS method, which isn't available in my area.
It doesn't necessarily affect the action of GH in your body.
So basically the DHT affect the test results on that method and not the GH in your body correct?
That is the theory. We are tying to somewhat prove it empirically given it will likely never be studied officially.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/igf-1-testing-experime...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/hgh-peptides/rhgh/dont-get-eaten-by-the-fal...