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  • Edit Labwork from Fulmen Pharma GH and RTB Gear: LONG READ

  • csgkvothe   •   Sun, Apr 7th, '19 14:29   •   41 replies, 1172 views

NOTE: Simple Mass Spectrometry is not enough to determine dosage and purity of tested substance.
Tests done with GC/MS, LC/MS/MS or HPLC methodes are considered much more reliable!

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My cycle for the past 16 weeks has been this:
500mg Test Cypionate per week (administered split e3D)
100mg Test No Ester 3x week only on chest, back, and leg training days
600mg Tren Enanthate per week (split E3D)
12.5mg Aromasin on the above TNE days
50mg Anavar a day split into 2x 25mg doses 12h apart
5IU Fulmen Pharma Somotropo HGH ED upon awakening
500IU HCG 2x week

All signs in the labwork point to the Test, Tren, Aromasin, and Anavar to being legit. However, the IGF1 and GH Serum levels are WAY too low for the amount I've been running, especially with the way I prepared for the test. I have NOT taken any Proviron or other DHT compounds in over a month.

I'd been taking 5IU ED upon awakening for about a month before this test.
The day before the test: I took 5IU upon awakening. I took another 5IU that night before bed.
The day of the test, I took 5IU upon awakening, fasted, and got the blood drawn approximately 2.5 hours later. My IGF1 and GH Serum numbers should have been off the charts.

How I reconstituted the GH:
1.) Popped the cap on the 10IU vial, swabbed with alcohol swab.
2.) swabbed the vial of Bacteriostatic Water with alcohol swab.
3.) Drew up 100 Units of Bac Water into an insulin syringe (1ml).
4.) Gently pierce the 10IU GH vial on the edge with a 25g 5/8" pin to depressurize, and left it stuck in the vial.
5.) Turn the 10IU GH vial on it's side gently, insert the insulin syringe in the center, and slowly let the 1ml of Bac Water "dribble" down the side of the vial.
6.) Remove the insulin syringe and the 25g 5/8" pin.
7.) Gently roll the 10IU GH vial to help reconstiution. I did NOT shake it, as we all know that will destroy the GH.
8.) None of the vials were ever cloudy after reconstitution. Perfectly clear and fully reconstituted.

Immediately put in the fridge until it's time for dosing.

I reached out to Fulmen Pharma via email and provided an UNEDITED and NON-anonimized copy of the PDF report of the labwork. They offered to send me a "new batch" and to reimburse me for the labwork. I refused and asked for a refund, offering to return the unused portion for their analysis. This was their response:

"Well, we have reviewed entire case from the date of your order, also your exaggerated and enthusiastic comments on EROIDS and we made a conclusion that you are simply trying to make your GH order charge free.
If you think that we are a new brand on EROIDS and you can play it out like that - you are wrong. We are new JUST on EROIDS not elsewhere and having plenty of people on our GH and their experiences are TOTALLY opposite to yours. So your "blood work" clearly shows that you didn't even use a single IU of our GH or it was a different person's blood.
In conclusion I can say that you won't get a dime back from us, go ahead and publish "your blood work".

It cannot be someone else's blood. Anyone who is serious in this game knows when you order through PrivateMDLabs, the bloodwork order form has your name on it, and when checking in to get it drawn, they VERIFY your ID. I told Fulmen to compare the Patient Name on the lab results PDF I sent them to the name of who ordered the GH from them. It matches. So it was my blood. The insinuation from them that I haven't taken a single IU of their GH is ludicrous. Why would I buy 1200IU in a single order and NOT take it? Why would I double up on the dose the night before? Because I wanted to make the IGF1 and GH Serum levels undoubtedly HIGH. I really wanted this product to be what it claimed itself to be. That's not what someone who is trying to scam a source does.

Yes, I was enthusiastic about them in the beginning because it appeared to be Pharma Grade GH at a reasonable price. Did I notice any of the signs of good GH? Yes. Glowing skin, accelerated nail and hair growth, but the lab results don't lie.

Now, with that said. I've been on GH non-stop for a year now. US Pharma Grade Nutropin AQ Pens, and Qtropin from Roidsource. Both of those at the same exact doses gave me the same exact results in previous labwork. High GH Serum and IGF1 levels. Now you may ask, why I took the chance on a new source instead of sticking to a known good source like RS? He was out of stock with no ETA on restock when I needed to place an order. I saw Fulmen's 20% Eroids discount and the additional 10% off for crypto, and their presentation looked good, and was supposedly pharma grade. That's why I jumped on it. As the golden rule in this game says, don't spend what you can't afford to lose. Sometimes you lose. I did in this case.

As for the other results in the labwork,yes my glucose was HIGH that morning. I'm a T1 Diabetic on a pump. I woke up to a clogged infusion set from my insulin pump and sky high blood glucose readings. I changed the infusion set out and took a correction bolus of insulin immediately. Yes, Triglycerides were sky high. I attribute that to the 600mg/wk of Tren and 50mg/day of Anavar. I just finished the 16 week cycle, and will be getting followup bloodwork done by my Dr next month. Those numbers should be back to normal.

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Updated blood/labwork is posted here for anyone who's been following this: https://www.eroids.com/pics/updated-labwork-for-fulmen-pharma-gh-and-mister-raise-test-cyp

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Thanks for the update and I'm glad that at last we solved this out. :) Take care!

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Update: Got my new labwork done on the 29th as mentioned previously. I've stuck to the protocol that Dacky and MegaT883 put together for me religiously. I expect the results to be back in about a week and will post them and link them here.

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Damn mate! Stop taking this curious HGH or whatever it is and take care of your health! You have terrible values in your bloodwork!

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Alot of guys get a bad egfr reading because of training and protein.
However your bun reading is also off.
I'd get my kidneys checked if I was you..

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Update: I've stuck to the protocol outlined by Dacky. Nothing but my TRT dose of Cyp 250 E7D for the past 2 weeks. No Var, nothing else but 5IU ED of Fulmen GH that started this past Saturday 04/13/2019. I'm posting this update today because I woke up this morning and took my normal 5IU dose and shortly after that, I've been experiencing massive CTS symptoms. This is the first time I've ever had this experience while on Fulmen GH. I'll continue to post periodic updates here up until my next scheduled labwork, which is on 05/29/2019.

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brother+
I'd do more, but only lets me +1
Lots of interesting reading/info here
thanks to all you guys

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Thank you. It's been a huge collaboration effort on Dacky and MegaT883's part with me. I'm hoping for the best with my next lab results. It's been a huge learning and eye opening experience. That's why I'm not going to delete this thread. When the new lab results are in, they will be in a new post, and linked here to it. There's WAY too much valuable knowledge that's been dropped here to delete it.

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I have no advice but will share just a bit from recent research regarding this sibject. It's important to me and my bloods are very similar to yours when I cycle for longer than 10 weeks. I've been obsessed over this subject and I am studying this stuff by researching my own issue and comparing them to many other members on here whom have posted work on here as well as their story and experience; I looked Into other references from outside sources regarding liver, kidney, and heart function, while on and then off cycle, so there is alot of science out there on this subject and I'm learning as we speak.
Creatinine raises on longer cycles it seems; and the main reason why I'm only doing 8 week cycles. Your numbers are actually lower than mine but do increase rapidly over more time on cycle I've noticed, but return to normal when Off cycle from the research that I've done.
I've had elevated creatinine levels just from protein supplements and the doctor assured me that too much protein can be hard on kidneys. 90% of those whom post bloods have elevated creatinine, ast or alt (liver) values, and considering that they are being hobest. Blood work can be deceiving also if you did not fast your food Intake at least 12 hours before blood was pulled. My kidney valuea were above 3.0 and the doc said that I'm in a range for kidney disease,. Freaked out on my 3000 test levels and told me to stop and to drink alot of water. My values we're back to normal before I finished PCT.
Your cholesterol looks great but being on cycle and eating better, still those Total triglycerides raise significantly for many from previous bloods I've read. A greasy burger or a chocolate donut will temporarily raise these values.
I started a topic on "The Anything Goes" forum just recently about Possible False Creatinine, AST, ALT levels while on cycle and while off. I Got great feedback. Considering the Aromasin is properly dosed and pharma grade, I've done great with 12.5 mgs every night @ 500mgs of Test per week. I've seen time and time again 18-25mgs split 2-3 times daily works great from 375-500 mgs Test injects per week. I dont know anything below or above those numbers. I'd run 25 split per day/night while on 600 mgs Test; but that's me.
It just seems that even if you eat an impeccable diet, these numbers always tend to raise but return to normal after cycle. That's why it's important to PCT and let the body recover; I know nothing of TRT, maybe return to therapy dose; doc knows best on that subject. Just a consequence of a longer cycle. You can eat flawless and your numbers will probably still be high. I can go on about past bodybuilders whom had a perfect diet and lifestyle but whom died before or after a show, or during a prep with a jacked up vascular system. Doesn't happen when he or she does not abuse their drig of choice of you know wat I mean. Just got to recover or keep things modest. I have to come off for a bit longer than I've been on. I have to clean up to keep my numbers and body healthy.
Sorry for the long write up, I'm very touchy with this stuff. Just a few things from personal experience and research I've done much of it from this site and trusting what the members claim in reference to doses, diet, training regime, and blood numbers. I'm learning from posts like this, so thanks for posting.

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Judjing by that blood test you should be in the ICU, fasted glucose of over 300 mg, Cretinine 2.14 OMG bro, just stop

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I really appreciate the outpouring of the helpful, open, honest support and research here. This is what makes this community what it is. Thank you to ALL. You guys are outstanding.

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And in my honest opinion you should start caring more about your health after all, peace!

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How much longer are you going to run? It looks like your kidneys are taking a beating.

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You’re exactly right bro. I’m back to cruise mode now. That lab report was at the end of the 16 week blast. Yeah, I know my kidneys were stressed. Creatinine is usually half that shown in the labwork, but I’ve noticed when I blast with Tren, it does affect them and the related lab work. I do have a small amount of kidney damage from being a T1 Diabetic for 35 years as well. Next labwork in a month or so should be back to semi normal again.

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Brother a couple of questions on your blood work.

  1. Why is your prolactin in the gutter? Are you on a DA? If so for how long and at what dose
  2. What supplements are you taking - especially anything with Biotin? If so how much are you taking?
  3. Any recent infections. Any recent mono flair-ups. Anyone in your group of family or close friends have or have recently or has mono
  4. Do you have pets or are you around animals often?
  5. Any rheumatoid conditions - you or your family?
  6. Was the IGF-1 Test Immunoassay based or LC-MS?
  7. What is your Serum GH baseline? While 7 isn’t over range it’s pretty high.
    Edit: how long did you run the anavar for?

Sorry for all the questions but I’m conducting some research on this topic alongside MegaT833.

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I really appreciate the helpful research and questions, no apology necessary bro. I like to figure things out and hopefully learn something from this. This right here, is why I LOVE this community.

1.) Probably a bit too aggressive on the caber for Tren at .5mg E3D. Not sure what you mean by a DA.

2.) Not sure about biotin, I’ll have to look when I get back home. A daily multivitamin, Himalayan Liver Care (Liv52), a kidney support supplement, NAC at 600mg 2x a day, Chromium at 1000mcg 2x per day, and one LiveIt Grind a day (https://youliveit.org/ingredients-and-ingredient-sources/), digestive enzymes with each meal and Magnesium,

Prescription meds outside of what I’ve mentioned regarding AAS are: Metformin 1000mg 2x a day, Altace 10mg 2x per day (helps kidney function), starting back on Synthroid at 88mcg a day due to low T4 in the labwork, Nexium 40mg, Triamterine (a mild diuretic only used from time to time as needed), 1x 1mg Xanax in the evenings to wind down and sleep.

3.) No, none at all to any of that.

4.) Yes, I have a dog and a cat.

5.) Only my mother with a mild case, none for me so far.

6.) Not sure, I’ll have to call PrivateMDLabs to find out, will let you know.

7.) Baseline usually fluctuates between 4.5 and 6 when not on any GH. I’ve been on the Var at 25mg 2x a day for 5 weeks. I just dropped it to 25mg 1x a day due to the high triglycerides.

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Right you are brother and thanks for coming back to me. And now before we get started on some further questions and analysis can I very strongly suggest you post-up and suggest here to all chiming in on your post as well as the source that not everything is as clear as it may seem.

  1. First off you are a Type 1 diabetic and as such and generally you would expect in the absence of exogenous GH use you would have lowish level of natty IGF-1 and highish levels of natty GH. Exogenous GH use would be expected to bring both levels up but by just how much will depend on multiple factors. I do wonder if your super high BG on the morning of the test due to the issue with your pump played a role here. Natty GH would have been normally suppressed as would IGF-1 conversion. Clearly you were on exogenous GH so we would not have seen the GH suppression and we didn’t. You still pulled a 7 and this is pointing me to believe there is GH in what you were taking. Whether the high BG level directly affects tissue secretion of IGF-1 (especially in the liver) I am still researching.

  2. On the caber absolutely you’ve been way too aggressive. I’m not sure what your prolactin levels were before that caused you to take caber in the first place or at a mentally high dose like that - please have a read down on the Basicstero SI on my comments from three days ago as I dropped some knowledge there on this topic.

More importantly for you to know is that low levels of prolactin are linked with low levels of IGF-1 possibly as a result of interference in the livers ability to secrete IGF-1. Here is one study on this - https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/91/7/2520/2656292. I’ll see if I can find more. I know it doesn’t perfectly correlate as you’re not GH deficient but there is enough there to call into question whether your crashed prolactin could be playing a part here.

  1. Please checks that daily multivitamin for Biotin and report back. There is also a study that shows Metformin can reduce IGF-1 levels as well a show the bind and effect the relevant binding receptors and protein (the latter being especially important in relation to Immunoassay based tests) - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3631250/#!po=0.704225

  2. Good that excludes at least this as a possible cause of interference although not completely - you would need to exclude mono related antibodies via more blood work to be certain and then there is always the possibility that other as of yet unknown antibody could be causing interference. Studies suggest there may be many example of this - again without extensive and expensive further study on this we simply won’t know.

  3. Certain animals (not cats or dogs) - more like mice, rats and rabbits have been known to carry antibodies that can cause interference.

  4. You should get screened for Rheumatoid Factors given this runs in your family and can affect IGF-1 production

  5. Finding out the assay/methodology is critical as well as confirming if this is the same assay/methodology you’ve always used. If this is a different one then you really can’t compare across assays - there is plenty of research showing this. I can dig it out if needed. If this is a new assay/methodology the best thing to do is to establish a baseline on this assay/methodology and then compare. Especially true when going from the typical ECLIA based Immunoassays used by labcorp to the LC-MS methodology used by Quest which I suspect this may be. If it is then it should remove much of the potential for interferences from things like DHT’s and antibodies but they are not perfect. Certain genetic abnormalities in some individuals can cause false low readings.

  6. Were you running VAR when you did the test? If not had you been on it before the test, then stopped for a while and if so for how long?

So all in all there are massive questions here that need to be cleared up before we can get a true picture on what’s happening with this brand of GH. You felt the effects - especially GH related water retention and CTS are pretty clear and that fact you had these points to the GH working.

What MegaT833 and I (and others) Are realising is that we need to be very careful jumping to conclusions and claiming bad/bunk GH off the basis of these IGF-1 tests. Even more so where the medical position of the individual and/or the stack they’re are running are complex. Both are in your case.

My suggestion is for now you and the source bury the hatchet and work together to try and get to the bottom of it. I wonder if you are and if your are is the source.....hopefully he answers here.

If so I’d suggest two approaches:

  1. Let’s get all the above answered and then work towards a new blood tests where we try and normalise some of the factors that may be contributing to this low result
  2. The source agrees to fun you sending a vial off for independent analysis

Interested in your thoughts as well as the sources.

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Thank you for your generous info and research. It means a great deal to me that you took the time to share your knowledge and try to help figure this out.

I’ve had a few previous instances of lab results with high levels of IGF1 and high levels of GH Serum along with higher than normal glucose levels at the time of testing. Maybe it is a factor but those few previous instances lead me to not believe that.

1.) Biotin..... I just checked the multivitamin and yes, it contains 60mcg, or 20% of the suggested daily amount. I used to not take a daily multivitamin. This is new. Maybe it is a factor.

Metformin: i think this is not a factor because I’ve been on it for about 10 years at that same dose. I’ve ran both Nutropin and Qtropin separately while on it and had several IGF1 lab results come back in the 550-619 range, same testing methodology every time.

5.) My previous labwork has all been by Labcorp, Immunochemiluminometric assay (ICMA) methodology on the IGF1 tests in particular. This test was the same methodology. I called PrivateMDLabs today and verified this was the same methodology used. See the results from other GH posted above in #5.

6.) Yes, I started the Var at roughly the same time as the Fulmen GH at 25mg 2x a day, morning and night about 12 hours apart. As soon as I saw my lab report with the sky high triglycerides, I immediately cut the dose back to 1x a day, just for the GDA effect it has on me. Being that I ended my blast phase, I’m hoping that triglyceride number drops significantly on my next lab test in about a month or so. I’m also expecting to see the kidney indicators improve as usual, as well.

I would DEFINITELY be more than willing to agree to send a few random unopened 10IU vials from a few of the 6x 200IU kits I have to a VERIFIED known lab for analysis. I just feel that I’m already out $1515 for the GH and another $307 for the labwork I had done and will not spend another dime towards Fulmen, period. If they will fund the lab analysis and POST the unedited results here or have them delivered to someone like you or MegaT883 to post here, I’d definitely agree. Let’s stop all of the guessing here, Fulmen. Let’s make this happen in an open and honest discussion. I know you’re reading this, but I don’t think you’ll agree to it and actually do it.

I never, not once, experienced CTS symptoms or water retention from Fulmen GH. Not even with the sky high doses I ran the day before and day of testing. Honestly, I felt like total crap on that day of testing, mainly from the high glucose. However, I DID experience heavy CTS symptoms and some water retention from Nutropin and Qtropin.

I’m mostly upset about their immediately negative response to me instead of working with me to figure this out. They didn’t suggest any further analysis. They immediately jumped to calling me a scammer. How am I supposed to take that? I’ve ran known good GH and had great results from it. I don’t buy a ton of GH to NOT take it. And their ridiculous accusation that it was someone else’s labwork? Please. They know my name from the order. My name is clearly on the unedited labwork PDF I emailed them. Again, Labcorp VERIFIES your ID matches the labwork reauisition order. There is no FAKING it. Period. How about they address this?

Further, here’s a bit more to add to the total picture that Ii haven’t mentioned yet but thought about today.... I started my 62 year old mother on 2IU a day for the anti-aging benefits when I started GH for the first time. She’s ran the Nutropin and the Qtropin at the same doses and had amazing results. Bouncing around and feeling like she’s 30 years old again. She started the Fulmen at the same dose the same day I did. She has lost all of the positive effects she had previously. That’s further evidence to me that this is not legit GH.

I have a sneaking suspicion/theory about this GH that I’m going to test this weekend.

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Thanks again for getting back to me with the further info. Before we dive in can I make a suggestion.....slow your role with the source bashing. I appreciate you feel aggrieved as to how they have treated you and the insinuations they’ve made. From the info you’ve provided which is one sided at the moment I can certainly see why you feel that way. If I was the source I certainly wouldn’t have handled it the way it’s seeming they did. Members and sources need to start to work together to solve problems rather than members jumping straight to the conclusion that the GH is shit when they get one “poor” IGF-1 test and sources need to recognise that something is not right when this happens that needs to be solved - especially if the source is truly fully confident in the quality of their product. Take a look at my last series of tests and how easy it would have been for me to react badly and this type of situation ensue - https://www.eroids.com/pics/puretropin-grey-tops-igf-1-results-plus-some-others. Unfortunately we rarely see this happening. Fulmen.....take note and respond here as you see fit. Hopefully you and the OP can birth the hatchet and work together to resolve this.

Ok so let’s get to it:

  1. That Biotin dose is definitely high enough to be causing interference. This from MegaT833:

Special Information: The supplementation of high biotin levels, exceeding the recommended daily allowance of 0.03 mg, could lead to incorrect blood test results with immunoassays that are based on biotin-streptavidin interactions. Clinicians should consider biotin interference as a source of error, when clinically suspicious of the laboratory result.
http://www.clevelandheartlab.com/tests/insulin-like-growth-factor-1/

2.Fantastic you’ve confirmed the the same assay being used. Going forward can I suggest you stick to the original suppler - Lancorp- if possible just to remove potential configurational issues.

  1. So if I’ve understood you were running VAR at 50mg per day split. At some point you got a blood test showing very high Triglycerides so dropped the dose by half but then stopped all VAR for at least 4 weeks before the test? This is important so please clarify

Now to new matters. I’m sorry you’re contradicting yourself. In your original post you say:

Did I notice any of the signs of good GH? Yes. Glowing skin, accelerated nail and hair growth, but the lab results don't lie.

And now above your saying you never experienced any CTS or water retention which you have of the other brands you’ve run. So you had positive sides and hardly any negative sides. Apart from this blood work most would call that a success. I can also tell you I’ve has zero CTS and water retention of some of the “best” GH I’ve run from a IGF-1 level perspective.

I strongly suggest you leave your mother out of this but I am interested in this theory you’re going to test this weekend.

And now the big one. You’ve been on and are on a hefty dose of Tren. You do know that Tren is the biggest known interferer with immunoassay tests that we know of in the BB community. MegaT833 is trying to locate the relevant info from Hailrazor where he shows this happening with his own testing on What about the previous times you tested IGF-1 on those other brands you were running - were you on Tren? This may be another contributing factor to your high triglycerides.

So here is my call out to you and to Fulmen. Work together to remove all possible interferences.

That means for you coming off this big stack you’re running and onto a trt dose of test, no Provi, no var, no AI etc. Giving it time - 4 weeks and Then following a standard testimony protocol. IGF-1 blood test pulled exactly 24 hours from the previous days dose of GH and if you want to do Serum GH then dose the agh exactly 3 hours before the blood test. The Fulmen GH should be run for at least 7 days prior to the blood draw.

For Fulmen I suggest if the OP is playing ball then you come to the table and pay for his blood tests. As to testing a kit and as the OP has a questionable kit to hand then again why not fund him sending this off for independent analysis. If this is not possible for some reason then contact me in PM and I’ll try and figure out how I can help getting a kit sent off.

I’d like to state for the record that I have no skin in this game and so not know the OP - he’s just sent me a FR which I’ll accept now. I also do not know nor have I ever used this source

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  1. That Biotin dose is definitely high enough to be causing interference. Ok, understood. Stopping it now. My next scheduled labwork is May 29.

  2. Yes, my Dr’s labwork is done by Labcorp in his office as well. PrivateMDLabs utilizes Labcorp as well. Same testing methodology.

  3. About the Var – Just for clarity again: I started the Var at 25mg 2x a day at about the same time as this “GH”, for right at a month. Or the last 4 weeks of my blast on the cycle listed in the OP. I got the posted labwork pulled at the VERY end of the cycle, on 04/01/2019. Surprisingly I got the lab report back pretty quick on 04/05/2019. My LAST shot of Tren E at 300mg was 03/27/2019. That was officially the last shot of my 16-week blast. I ordered/paid Fulmen on 02/27/2019. Delivered on Saturday 03/09/2019. I started it immediately that day at 5IU ED. I started the Var on 03/02/2019. When I got my labwork back on 04/05/2019 I saw the crazy high triglycerides and decided to cut the dose back to 25mg 1x per day to retain the GDA effect it has on me. If my next labwork on 05/29/2019 shows it still unacceptably high, I’ll stop it all together. ***At the time of the posted labwork, I’d been on the 50mg a day of Var for right at a month. Since the labwork came back, just 25mg 1x per day. *** In preparation for my next labwork on 05/29/2019, do you suggest I stop the Var totally now? My cruise since the labwork has been this:

250mg Test Cyp 1x per week E7D.
25mg Var 1x per day
50mg TNE about an hour pre-training, 3 days a week only on chest, back, and leg days
NO Anti-E, NO caber

What suggestions would you make as to preparing for the next labwork?

  1. Re: CTS and symptoms: Yes, I experienced those mentioned “signs” on Fulmen, but NO CTS symptoms. No water retention. I DID experience these while on the other brands of known good GH, however. I understand and get what you mean though. We all react and respond differently though.
  2. If my theory/test is proven to be right on Saturday, which is when I can do it, I WILL post it and a link to the video of the test, and it will be absolutely “irrefutable”.
  3. If it is proven to NOT be what I have the sneaking suspicion that it is, I will do this to remove all doubt (because Fulmen isn’t going to pay for independent testing, as you can see from their lack of a response here):

From Saturday 03/13/2019: I will ONLY take my TRT dose of 250mg Cyp every Sunday evening. No extra bump of TNE, NO Var what-so-ever, NO Anti-E, nothing else but my TRT. No multivitamin. Just my previously discussed prescribed medication only. I will START the Fulmen GH again at 5IU ED, taken upon waking every morning. This will give me 6 weeks and 4 days of being on 5IU ED before the next labwork. I should have that labwork back by 06/05/2019 and will post the labwork. (I will only blur my name and identifying info out).

That will have given the Tren E right at 8 weeks to clear my system, which should be plenty of time, right?

How does this sound to you?

Also, depending on the outcome of my suspicion on Saturday, do you know of any independent labs that I could send a few sample vials to for analysis? If it’s not too crazy expensive, I may just do that as well myself to PROVE IT and put this to bed entirely.

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Per our PM’s I think your approach is fine. Just make sure you have the blood pulled 24 hours after the prior days GH pin. If you’re going to test GH Serum too this needs a bit of finessing as you want the blood pulled 3 hours after the current days GH pin. So if you get the the blood pulled at 9am then inject your 5iu GH at 9am the day before and then on the day Inject 5iu at 6am for the GH Serum test.

Try and keep your fasting BG in range as much as possible. What we want to avoid is big spikes in BG (and then the required boluses of log to rectify) on and in lead up to testing day.

If MegaT833 drops by be can double check all this.

Fulmen.....if you’re following any of this it may be good to hear from you in the spirit of working together to solve a problem. You’re obviously confident with the quality of your product and I’ve given the OP the details of an analyser. Perhaps you want to contribute or fund the costs of the testing. The OP is playing ball trying to get to the bottom of this given the issues pointed out with his test. I’m sure you both regret your respective reactions. Do you want to try become part of the solution here?

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If you are ever out my way brother I’m buying you a bottle of Macallan and we are going to talk all night long. You are a true asset to this website along with MegaT. If you need someone else for your experiment I’d be open to joining in. I’ve got some baseline labs done. I’m going to shoot you a PM to learn a bit more about it

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Thank you Dacky for this huge analysis!

We are truly confident about quality of our products so when a customer says all signs pointing to good and later showing a "blood test" with nearly zero effect on the numbers that really looks suspicious.

However, if he would make a new blood test 100% as per your recommendations and take away this "black mark" from our reputation we are surely open for cooperation and the new test costs funding.

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You are exactly right and I am agreeing to it. See my posts here above on the protocol we laid out. It is very detailed and precise. If my new labwork that gets drawn on 05/29/2019 comes back good, I will most CERTAINLY remove the negative review and post a public apology here, and I will edit these posts to remove the negativity from my side. This post and labwork needs to stay as a lesson for everyone in the community. There is far too much valuable input here to delete it. If the test comes back good, this will be an epic lesson to the entire community and I will bury the hatchet with you. I am hoping for the best. If you'd like, email me and I will layout the entire detailed plan for retesting. It will remove ALL variables that could effect it. If it comes back not good again, I WILL be sending a couple random vials off for lab analysis and pay the 700 Euro cost out of pocket, because at that point I will want to know exactly what I've been injecting.

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Hey Mr C. thanks for sharing and support, please continue enjoying Mr Raise goods

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May I ask which test you ordered from Private md?

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Absolutely bro.

Hormone Panel for Males III
and
Human Growth Hormone

Totaled out to $304.71 after discount coupon.

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I posted my questions before I seen your a type1 diabetic. Once i realizes that I deleted my post and sent you my thoughts by email.

Don't think your results are accurate. In type1 diabetics natural IGF-1 is always lower and HGH is higher due to a defect when compared to healthy population. As I stated to you the high glucose and the fact you injected insulin before the test may of affected the results. In a normal scenario (disease free natural) IGF-1 has a correlation to insulin. High insulin=lower IGF-1 and low insulin= higher IGF-1. Example that is why a person does fasting or intermittent fasting. The benefit is a rise IGF-1 levels from the lower glucose/isulin levels. I recommend you retest when your glucose/insulin levels are normal and under control like you did in the other tests.

Your electrolytes are out of wack as you're experiencing decreased kidney function. You have CKD (Chronic kidney disease) and your stack is making it worse. Your at 3B CKD right now with eGFR at 38 (which means kidney function is at 38%). That is why your creatinine at 2.14 is so high along with your potassium high and sodium low. You have one level left as level 5 is considered kidney failure(<15 eGFR) and a life of dialysis or no life. Your doing harm to yourself.

Your platelets are at 437 and flagged high. Your blood clotting is high. Think increased chance of stroke and blood clots. Not a good thing.
Your MCHC (Mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration) is out of range at 30.4 and flagged low. Less hemoglobin concentration in the cell means less oxygen. At 28% it's considered very low and an indication of hypochromic anemia. Has this been steadily dropping? Do you get out of breath,feel tired and bruise easy. Something to keep an eye on. I see your b-12 is pretty high is this why your taking so much b-12?
Has you Dr ever tested for Iron deficiency which can cause pre hypochromic anemia?

You have a lot of issues and taking way to many compounds for your condition. That's why I deleted my reply, was busy so I asked Dacky to take a look.
I've taken the time now to take a hard look and I'm telling you what your doing is causing harm to yourself.

I take the time to post links for not only you but for others on the board who want to understand what I see.
Read the links and learn something.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15832492

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1904417/

https://www.disabled-world.com/health/cancer/kidney/gfr-ckd.php

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2378373/?page=1

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/thrombocytosis/symptoms-causes/syc-20378315

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You're right. Yes it looks really bad, but, these numbers always improve to my cruise baseline after I come off blast. I'm officially Stage 2 CKD, not 3B. Tren does stress my kidneys, and it has been proven in many previous of my lab results. However, after coming off, the values drop back to my baseline cruise . My Hemoglobin A1C usually runs between 5.3 and 6.1, at worst, respectively. The CKD is from the few bad days I gave occassionally, like the infusion set issue on the morning of this labwork. However, 35 years of those "occasions" add up. Its not that I haven't controlled it as best as I possibly can. I don't act and eat like a non-diabetic.

As far as running too much gear, maybe you're right. I've told Dacky, this was my absolute last run with Tren. I'll substitute something way less kidney stressful like a lower dose of NPP when I blast again, which will be early next year. The rest of this year will be nothing but my TRT of Cyp at 250mg E7D, and GH, as my Nephrologist and Dr are both HUGE proponents of me running GH since I can afford it. They both firmly believe it helps the kidney issue I have as well as the slight nerve damage I have in my feet (diabetic neuropathy). I've felt and seen the difference there when on previously known good GH.

The only thing I've added that I wasn't running with my previous runs with GH was Anavar. Dacky and I think that may be the culprit to the low numbers in this labwork. I will not be taking any for the next 6 weeks until after I get my labwork on 5/29 back.

So in short, for the next 6 weeks I will only be on 250mg of Cyp E7D, 5IU of Fulmen GH every morning, and my prescribed meds I've outlined already. Those were taken when I got the labs done when IGF1 was 550-619 on previously known good GH, so I know they do not effect the results already.

After that, I will still add in TNE on Chest, Back, and leg days for the rest of the year. If this new labwork is low too, I will immediately go back on Qtropin again and send a couple vials.of this Fulmen off for lab analysis. I will want to know WTF it is at that point.