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  • Leanfitness   •   Thu, May 30th, '19 18:17   •   37 replies, 475 views

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K so I'm 4 weeks in 500mg test e a week 40mg var ed an 40mg sr9009 ed an 20mg cardine ed been on the var for 2 weeks now my liver enziems are high as fuck my test levels r great thank u Mr raise I've been taking a little milk thistle but it's in these vita packs I take. I've got some tudca on the way along with nac an ect.. I haven't watch my liver right I've been slipping there but do I have to stop my test to get liver enziems down? Can I start taking tudca, nac , ect more milk thistle an get them down I'm stopping the sarms along with the var for now please look an give me advice my doc is doing a ultrasound on my liver in morning she wants me off test but I've never had this problem before so I don't know I'm gaining good feel good but I would appreciate any advice

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I'm surprised the cholesterol isnt worse. They say sarms dont raise liver enzymes but theres plenty of guys on reddit who say they do.
That's high for var. I'd drop all orals and see what happens.

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Thanks bro I did I stopped orals today didn't take any yesterday evening either in going to get bloods pulled in 4 weeks again thanks man

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Lot of flags on this test. That is why you should fast before a blood test. Blood glucose is high. Did you eat right before the test? Usually when you have high blood sugar you'll have frequent urination. Urine is very diluted (clear). It will cause thirst.
Creatinine at 1.42 and flagged can be from dehydration but you said you drank a lot so I think it's normal. Guys who have a lot of muscle mass will have a higher creatinine level. Creatinine is the waste product produced by normal muscle contractions. If your training hard guess what it goes up.
ALT and AST high. Very rarely its from the orals. Now don't get me wrong 168 is pretty high. But the fact with your stack and on SR9009 will increase endurance. This will cause you to go a little hard and a little longer. Muscle damage and inflammation will cause this number to elevate. Now I don't know what your training program is but again if you've been hitting it hard that's the first thing I would look at. It's an accumulative effect. Takes over 10 days to go down. Again this is if your training and getting muscle soreness. Don't take my word for it just read since your symptoms are saying you feel fine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2291230/
The guys in the study had ALT as high as 4.1 ukat/l (246 IU/L) and AST up to 16 ukat/l (960 IU/L)
This is what I think is causing your elevation. But do what the Dr says. Just remember when we are on and training some numbers change that are normal for us compared to the general public.

https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/elevated-ast-or-alt-what-to-do-read-this-and-find-out

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I didnt fast before this blood test but I dropped sarms an the var also come tomorrow I'm going to start taking tudca , nac along with milk thistle I haven't been taking the right liver support either. Thank u for advice bro

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I agree with megaT. Ast and alt can be cause from muscle breakdown and not being filtered fast enough. Aka working out to long or to hard. Those numbers are high but not to bad. They will recover. Make sure you are getting plenty of fluids. I'm not sure how the sarms will effect it but I definitely know working out to hard will easily spike alt and ast that high. Also you could get you CK or some labs call it CPK checked and itll tell you how much muscle enzyme you have broken down. Good luck man

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Thanks for sharing Mr Lean

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No problem your gear is top of line thanks bro!

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  • helloBrooklyn
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The OTC supplements don’t really do anything. I’m stunned that no one has asked this yet: Are you eating a liver-healthy diet? Plenty of EVOO, fish, nuts, seeds, berries, cruciferous veggies, black coffee, tea, etc?

Never mind, my bad, switch did ask

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Yes my diet has been pretty good I'm not saying 100% but I've not been being sloppy bout it an what do u suggest on liver support?? Any advice is much appreciated

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Not much to say except “listen to your doctor.”

But you didn’t mention whether you’re taking any anti-E like adex or anything. Those are notorious for trashing liver readings, which is why I avoid ancillaries like the plague and would always rather see someone just lower test (or other aromatizing compounds) as a means to control E2 rather than putting more drugs into their body. I’m a big believer in “less is more” when it comes to this stuff.

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Yea I been taking 12.5 mg aromasin eod I was wondering about that. I had ultrasound done on my liver an everything came back normal no fatty liver or anything. I'm guessing the orals I was taking had my enziems out of wack!

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Orals plus the AI, probably. Both work hand in hand in trashing the liver. People oftentimes only think about the side effects of the steroids themselves but forget all about the side effects of the ancillaries, which are sometimes worse than the sides from the damned steroids!

I’m glad you’re looking okay. You should rebound just fine

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Thanks bro I appreciate it alot!

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Here’s some advice- Get the liver U/S done. If your LFTs have never been elevated before it’s worth having. The amount of Var you’re running can definitely increase those levels. It’s typically transient and will return to normal when you stop. You can expect liver strain when running an oral. Running TUDCA along side it from the research I’ve read actually can strain the liver more. Assuming your U/S comes back negative, then it’s up to you whether or not you want to keep running the var. Definitely TUDCA afterwards and NAC afterwards to help.
I don’t know Jack about the hepatotoxicity of the SARMs or cardarine. So I have no idea if that’s contributing. Injectable Test as far as I’ve seen does not cause any measurable hepatoxicity so your doc telling you to stop is her not knowing her shit or just because that’s std medical legal liability having your levels above normal.

Overall I’m not surprised your LFTs are elevated, although they are a bit high considering they’ve never been elevated at all before. Also, like rusty said below, need more info. ANY other meds, ETOH intake, what’s your diet like? Lots of fructose? Etc.

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No other meds I'm stopping the var an sarms what could I do to get liver enziems down do I need to stop test an pct an start over ?? I hope I don't? But whatever it takes

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Have you ever been tested for hep c?

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Bro look I'm going to be honest I got hep c don't like to say but yea I'm here for advice I've been clean a year now but is being on test e going to fuck with it bad I didn't wanna say it below bout the hep c sorry but I'm stopping the orals an can i maintain liver enziems an be on test?

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Agree with this guy, LFTs will typically be elevated with hep C. Weird they haven’t been in the past though? Once you’ve been clean for 6-12mos decent insurance should cover treatment if it permits for your subtype. Ask your doc

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I've got good insurance just didn't know if I need to be off test to run treatment I was going to run this test e 12 to 14 weeks then pct an look into treatment

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Definitely do the liver ultrasound and start the conversation with the doctor about getting a referral for a doctor specializing in liver treatment. Start the process so when you finish your cycle you can jump right in. The new meds actually cure 98 to 99% of people who take them. FR accepted

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Yes they will cover it. $90,000 for 8 weeks of Harvoni, Lol I paid $5 with a coupon!

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It’s fucking insane lol I know

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Hey bro, no shame. I used to have hep c. And ran plenty cycles when I had it. And the doctor prescribed test knowing I had it. Testosterone is pretty damn safe when used responsibly. Your enzymes are normal for someone with hep c. I would stay away from orals since you do have it. But honestly I don't think the var effected your enzymes much, like I said that's just par for the course with hep c. Your enzymes are on the low end for hep c so that's good. Now this is my opinion but if you want to run the test run it. I would be dumbfounded if it was effecting liver enzymes.

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That's what's up bro thank u! I'm dropping all orals an the test I'm just running 500mg a week what do u think about me running tudca an nac with my test along with milk thistle?? Hey I'm sending a FR too bro

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Honestly, I've ran TUDCA, cant say to what effect because I never had bloods while taking it. But the research I read was what pushed me to take it. Anything you can take to support liver health is good. I don't believe it will have a negative impact on anything. The main thing is to stay away from orals and alcohol and tylenol.

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Your enzymes should come down naturally after you stop the orals. I've had tren slightly raise my enzymes in the past. Testosterone is not going to raise your enzymes, at least in my experience.

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Wow!!! Did you have priors of hard drinking or heavy medications? Theres more going on that what we see. Might fill us in....

Medications
Prohormones
Alcohol
Water intake? Piss clear? Eyes yellow?
Hepatitus

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Also I don't drink anymore no yellow eyes or anything ect... Water intake I mean that's all I drink all day but lately I have been pissing alot like a shit tone.. My diet has been good I mean I'm leaning up gaining good cardio is great is this way to high have u seen this before? An can I get it down without stopping test? I mean all orals r cut out var, sr9009,cardine done for now possibly duration

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I agree with what youre dropping and the advice up above to help them enzymes out. Ive never seen var push numbers up that high and i dont use or follow the peps.

Give that a shot and retest in 4 weeks to see how things are going. Watch for eyes yellowing or sudden lethargy etc. Liver typically is a fast healer but be smart and observant. Something in those 3 your body just isnt liking.

Privatemdlabs is bout 60 for female panel...shows same numbers and covers many item but its not expensive. Male panel was like 150 is i remember.

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I appreciate it also rusty look I got hep c sorry I didn't wanna say earlier cause I hate saying it but like I said above I'm here for advice if dropping the orals finishing this run out with test an taking proper supplements for liver can enziems drop? I don't drink or use anymore just been staying in shape an doing my own thin sorry for not saying earlier just sometimes shits embarrassing to say but like I said I'm here for advice