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IGF1 score after 7 weeks at 5.5ui a day splitted 2 times.
Dont really know what to think
I guess my body cant convert correctly igf1 from liver.

Best score I had with hgh was 325 (not this brand) last summer (no aas)

I am currently on a cycle test E 600mg/week - Maste E 600mg/week - winstrol oil inj 50mg/day - Proviron 50mg/day

Just finished before drawing bloods a 12 weeks cycle of tren E 400mg/week

Igf1 baseline last year was 165 (no aas)

Tried a source where you can check my experience with all bloods test and my igf1 get lower and lower

Will do a gh serum and will ask wife do the same thing as she is also on neofin pro for 10 weeks a 2ui a day without any aas

Also no cts or any other side effects from the beginning

UPDATE
Wife's igf1 score with 2ui/day since 7 weeks
No aas, no cts, no side effects.
Liver enzymes are OK
Previous score on February were also with 2uis of another hgh i thought was poor quality ..

UPDATE : 06/21/18

New bloods done on 15th June

I lowered my E2 to a very acceptable number of 27 (will upload it later)
Free Test is on high range
Total test is high
GH serum is pretty good
But IGF1 is too low for 5.5ui/ED for now 10 weeks.
I still got some DHT compounds (End of Masteron, but proviron and Winstrol are still in my mycle)

Please comment

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Gentauni's picture

+1 thanks for testing bro.

bigal1980's picture

IGF1 went from 127 to 215 in 3 weeks which is a good new.

Lowering my E2 was one goodthing to do.

Maybe still to much DHT derivatives influenced badly my igf1

I'm also taking aromasin 25mg/day and sarm andarine s4 which are supposed to raise IGF 1 level.

Liver enzymes are also good.

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Soulja's picture

Glad to see your IGF climb a bit. I agree with you though, It should be twice that much. You planning on running the Pro after the cessation of your DHT derivatives? Good job knocking down that estro! That's a lot of Aro.

bigal1980's picture

I am glad too that that igf climbs a litlle bit
GH serum is good so logically we have a good hgh.
I saved one vial to analyse it and waiting next step with the admin.
Also dont have anymore pro to continue unfortunately.

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SwOleGuy2012's picture

The wife got her's taken when she was on 2iu a day - it came back at 241. I didn't post it because this was by word of our MD & we had no baseline. . . That was on MGT's liquid version a few months back.

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bigal1980's picture

Started today aro 25mg/day
Will do another bloods work in about 3 weeks

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Soulja's picture

Sup brother....damn, I was really hoping for the Mrs. to have better numbers. Are you guys fasting an hour before and an hour after administering the hgh?

bigal1980's picture

Hey bro, morning injection is first thing for both and we eat about 20 minutes after.
My second injection is often after training so i didnt eat for hours and i eat right after..
Doest it really manner because i never heard about that.

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Soulja's picture

It's my understanding that your body cannot uptake or release hgh in the presence of insulin. Google "meal timing and hgh administration" or "eating around hgh injections" and see what you come up with. I dont know it all but I did go full on computer nerd while I researched all this stuff before I started. I'm just trying to use what I've learned to help you figure out why your results came out like this. So now I'm down to either it's that or we have different hgh and I'm pretty sure there has been only 1 batch of Pro that was produced so far this year.

Dope's picture

This is bro science

Synthetic gh always work , no mater food or not

I shoot my norditropin and eat straight after , 6 iu eod 675 igf after 4 weeks

Respect

Dope

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bigal1980's picture

That is what i always thought.

THANKS Dope.

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bigal1980's picture

I am waiting 2 more weeks to do bloods again with gh serum/igf1/E2/SHGB

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bigal1980's picture

I also did some read about meal timing with hgh and did it right again.
There are not influence at all when its about exogenous hgh administration and food intakes BUT only some peptides that are secretagogues of your own hgh.
Anyway we wait 20 30 minutes to eat right after injection so i dont think that is the problem.
THANKS bro

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Soulja's picture

Yeah that's interesting. I read all that about 3 years ago and it seemed to be the general consensus to not eat an hour before or after. I just Googled the same topic and the reasoning behind that now seems to be to avoid insulin desensitivity....nothing to do with the effectiveness of exogenous hgh. So that means for the last 3 years I've been timing meals, snacks, drinks and everything else around my injection times....which is a major pain in the ass lol. Thanks. Hope your next test yields better results.

bigal1980's picture

Unfortunately major reads are a lot of some bro sciences so its hard to find the best protocol.
I think i did things quite right from gh conservation to reconstitution to injection and to meals timing.

Either I and my wife are completely no responsive to hgh or (some hgh) to deliver more igf1h or there was a problem with the transportation of these kits.

I had a successful experience with hgh 4 years ago with a famous chinese hgh which i used for 7 months. I got a 20+ Gh serum result and was very lean all these months with low dose of test
Unfortunately i didnt know at this period to check my igf1 score...

We ll figure out soon or later as a i just received a new brand and will do the same test as for the neopro

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OneQ's picture

Hello!
For your wife:
IGF at our HGH is 153 now
Few month ago on other brand it was 145
Correct?

Finally my propose is to send 1 vial to the lab

bigal1980's picture

I dont have a lab to send.
Simec refused and another one too in France refused also

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OneQ's picture

I will send you in PM

bigal1980's picture

Hello
Please 2nd picture i have just uploaded

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OneQ's picture

Yesp I edit my original post Smile

Soulja's picture

High estrogen and DHT can both suppress IGF conversion. I'm sure a lot of it depends on what kind of shape your liver is in as well. If your running orals (even that injectable Winnie) or consuming anything else that taxes your liver it may not be able to produce the results your after. I know its frustrating to get a lower IGF score but there's those are a couple of the things I've learned. Maybe get hormone panel and liver enzymes checked out and go from there. Another thing I've noticed (I'm halfway through my 8th kit) is that you gotta watch the vacuum on those vials. I know I've crashed a few by not venting out the air and when I pull back to load it I accidentally let it pull air into the vial creating bubbles and foam....some of them even turned cloudy afterwards. Not saying that's your issue but none the less I think you can damage the product if you're not careful.

bigal1980's picture

Very interesting!

I actually got high estrogen (estradiol : 109ng/L) but cant explain it with 600mg of Test E and 600mg of Mast E /week.

I also take for months 50mg of proviron.

My liver enzymes are OK

Will also be more careful with filling the water into the vial because i also dont venting out first the air but i really fill in the water slowly along the glass

Thanks for the help

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Soulja's picture

Well bro if theres any truth to DHT blocking your IGF conversion....you're on 3 DHT derivatives (winnie, mast, provi) and you will also have some DHT from the test conversion. 109 is high bro, I run 600mg Mast E with some of my cycles and still have to incorporate an AI especially after things get rolling good. There's alot to learn with all this stuff. Everyone's individual reaction can be different as well. I know I see plenty of elite bodybuilder's using stacks with DHT's and HGH. Just use the process of elimination starting with that E2 and you'll get it figured out.

bigal1980's picture

Ok i'll go for some aromasin to kill this E2.
But still cant understand how this E2 is so high with so low test.
Masteron got anti estrogenic properties right ?
I am used to cycle aas and get higher with test without this e2 issues.

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Soulja's picture

The Mast and Provi are also making your test more effective. Less SHBG leaves more unbound test that can convert to estrogen. When I was younger I never had to run an AI and never had any problems. Now that I'm racking up the years I'm finding truth to age making me more prone to sides. Masteron is basically injectable Proviron so you should expect similar results in regard to it lowering E2. Definitely grab that Aro (my choice as well) and get it dialed in. Hopefully that alone will help your body make better use of your hgh. Keep us updated as I am interested to find out!!

bigal1980's picture

As winstrol also that lower SHBG

It all makes sense now with that E2 issues. I should have real high level of free test and i don't know how much.

Will do another lab test with total test, free test, SHBG, E2, IGF1.

Also should i stop proviron when ill start Aro ?

If this excess of E2 is the explanation of my low level of IGF1 we will figure out in about 3 weeks..

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Soulja's picture

Yeah that's Winnie's definitely doing its thing too. I know a lot of guys run Provi and Mast together but I just run one or the other since they're so similar....and not cheap. I'd probably drop it because you've already got the other highly androgenic compounds in there...plus that's less DHT derivatives. Hope it works for you bro! Keep us in the loop.

bigal1980's picture

Thanks Soulja.
Let you all know how it ll go soon

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Dacky's picture

Good choice with aro over adex in this case. Less harsh on the liver and lipids and adex can impact IGF-1 production. 600mg isn’t exactly a low dose of test bro. Have you run this amount of test before and had your estro blood levels come in lower? If so what was the level? Are you running any HCG? Materon in itself in my view is not particularly useful to reduce estrogen regardless of the common broscience around this fact.

Edit: what’s your total and free testosterone numbers? What’s your SHBG?

This stresses the importance of bloodwork and working from a point of actual facts around how your are responding as an individual to your stack +2 for testing and having a solid conversation around this.

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On cycle, i always use between 500mg and 800mgs of Test E / week and use sometimes some Ai but not often. I should have written on the report what i used but i didnt.

But now i remember have some skyrocket level of E2 without using AIs..(last check on february E2 was 313ng/L). I suspected an error by the lab because i didn't feel something wrong.

I dont use any hcg.

I will change the lab because it doesnt give the real number of my total test (they only write >34.61ng/mL)

Will do another lab test with E2, free and total test, SHBG, IGF1 and gh serum in about 3 weeks after trying to reduce that E2 with some Aro 25mgd/ED.

Thanks for your help

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Geo's picture

No ai?

bigal1980's picture

No.. will go for some aromasin to end my cycle until contest in 4 weeks

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ECinfidel's picture

Most of the bloods coming back for mgt product are spectacular( I recently hit 467 @ 4iu) and yet every once in awhile we see some that are in the tank. Its very odd. Id like to hear from some of the vets regarding the effects any of the other compounds you're running/recently ran may be impacting your igf numbers. Thank you for testing btw.

Nick1984's picture

Bigal. At 5.5 ur experienceinf no cts?? I had to swap back to another brand because cts was so bad on this MGT neo pro. Severe tendonitis. Severe carpel tunnel. Sleep almost non existent. I'm wondering if your wasn't damaged in transit. Something's up for sure

bigal1980's picture

Got cts from another brand at the very beginning but nothing with this one.
My wife got also no side effects and she got some from the old one (cts)

Next step : gh serum for me and igf1 level test for my wife

Will figure out for sure as i ll also test another new brand

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OneQ's picture

And please keep 1 vial for lab test of product.
If something wrong with the product - I should know 100%

bigal1980's picture

Can you please pm me to tell me where can i do this please

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Schmuckele's picture

Guys I don't know much about aas really, but doesn't DHT reduce igf levels?

OneQ's picture

Hello !
Resuts definetly not good. And yes you can be right that you have some problem with liver or if you've used some "dirty" hgh you also can have immune reaction to HGH.

As I understood you use PRO and if you can send 1 vial to the laboratory I really appreciate it and ready to compensate cost for the test. It will help community to understand that IGF convertion and HGH by itself very complicated thing and blood tests not always can show actual content.

One more - if you have immune reaction to HGH my personal advice is to cancell HGH for 4-5 months and then run it again

Soulja's picture

Just thought I'd drop in to let you know that Analyzer has been MIA for a couple weeks. 2 other members as well as myself have not been able to reach him. Maybe some of the members here can provide info on a good connection for HPLC testing?

bigal1980's picture

Thanks for your reply

Will first do a gh serum test and will ask my wife run an igf1 level test also.

Will also run soon another brand because of the delay of neopro restock which i still think is a good product

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PPGfreak's picture

Wow that sucks bro