+ 2 Low Test 4 months after Test Prop cycle and Nolva PCT
Ok guys:
-I'm 24
-engaged in a 6 week test prop cycle, took AI and HCG (500/wk split 2x weekly) throughout
-PCT was nolva 40/40/20
-Blood tests three weeks after: http://www.eroids.com/pics/bloods-after-3-weeks-pct
-Blood Test two months after: bit.ly/13PHvRn
-Libido is great, gym gains are ground to a halt
Now I am here taking a shizload of accutane because of the facial acne I've developed after pct (under doctor's supervision) so it looks like my liver and kidneys are shot. Doc will probably take me off once he see's the results of this week's appt and how I'm reacting to it.
I'm really worried about my low test, FSH, an LH guys. DO I do another aggressive PCT? If so, what? I'm really freaking out, and really appreciate any help. I'm hoping the flaming can be kept to a minimum, as I'm already down enough as it is. Thanks so much in advance.
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listen to dos, clomid and nolva again ..grab some DAA from ur local vitamin store and run it for a month at high doses.
oh snap! look who's back!!
No flaming here brother. Always difficult to completely identify the culprit when this late in the game. Judging by what you have written here, I'm leaning towards those LH figures for the 3 week test being from hcg, and by not running a proper regimen on the clomid, you had insufficient to no stimulation for gonadotropin synthesis.
Hcg is an exogenous form of gonadotropins. It will raise you LH levels. This is beneficial in the event of a hard shutdown prior to recovery, because it allows for the leydig cells to be revived - in a sense - temporarily. However, as with all exogenous administration, levels can easily exceed natural amounts. When this happens negative feedback signals halt/hinder natural production. Meaning it shuts the process down. For this to benefit, you can blast it at the end of the cycle but kill it 3 days before pct starts.
At this point your ancillaries like clomid come in to stimulate LH and FSH production. Too much hcg and running into or during pct will not allow for clomid to play its active role here, because negative feedback loop will win every time. It's like trying to turn a light switch on and off at the same time. Be there all day and never make any progress.
A side note here is that hcg does aromatize. So, estrogen levels increase if AI dosage is not increased. Seeing the LH elevated in your 3rd week test as well as e2 marginally high tells me one of three things:
1) hcg was ran into pct
2) the AI was insuffient
3) the AI was adex on cycle and the rebound caused e2 to flare causing your acne
Thank you for your help man. I really appreciate the information and the analyzing of my situation. I did stop the hcg before PCT, although I am not going to lie, I don't remember how far out it was. I'm assuming I would have done my research to make sure it was out of my system before PCT.
With all the information you have now, would you recommend I run a blast of clomid as a second PCT? Thanks.
That's def an option. Run the clomid at the standard dose of 100 ED for two weeks then cut in half for 2 more weeks. I'm struggling with telling you to add nolva considering you're a few months past pct and e2 is normally. Main concern I see here is getting that positive feedback loop going again and restoring the LH and FSH levels.
In the 3 weeks after you state "Kalpa Nolva and Clomid work! Now my e2 is a little high... what do? I took adex all cycle."
In the above post you say PCT was Nolva 40/40/20.. ?
Also can't seem to access second pic link
Man, I forgot to add I took 50 clomid the first week. After doing some research, I figured I only needed to do one and that nolva would do the trick. I felt fine and my sex drive was great during and after pct. It still is!
I tried to fix the link to the second test.
Should have researched further homie. Nolva has a slight positive role in LH And FSH production, but only modestly. Nolvadex main role here is to bind to receptors and help with estrogen regulation as the system clears. It isn't even active in all tissues.
Adex is great at regulating estrogen, but the bond it forms with the enzyme is broken once te drug wears off. This means the enzyme is released to begin binding to and converting test to estrogen once again.
Without clomid, natty reboot is extremely slow to come brother.
For instance, this thread is in the forums twice. Once by my old account and a second by my most recent one.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/ai-what-are-...