+ 15 LAB RESULTS: igf-1 results from buy-kigtropin blue top special
I purchased 5 x 100iu kits of buy-kigtropin's generic blue tops a month ago when they were offered at $135/per.
Posted serum labs (13.4 ng/mL) previously at: http://www.eroids.com/pics/lab-results-kigtropin-generic-bluetops-from-p... . Not outstanding, but not horrible either.
I just had igf-1 levels tested (see above) and I am calling this bunk. I don't know what it is, but it is not 191aa.
Baseline testing through my doctor about 6 months ago had my baseline at 66 pg/mL.
After 3 1/2 weeks of 2.5iu /ed, the igf-1 level is basically unchanged.
I urge anyone else who has purchased this substance to get tested and post as well.
David, we need to talk about your money back guarantee.
THIS IS THE FIRST PURCHASE THAT I HAVE MADE WITH THIS SOURCE AND PAID FULL PRICE FOR THE HGH AS WELL AS FOR BOTH SETS OF LAB TESTING, WHICH WAS DONE WITHOUT THE SOURCE'S PRIOR KNOWLEDGE.
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The spend your money on pharma tag team boys. Gotta love it.
You really don't need to worry about my logic, as you and everyone else can plainly see I post facts based on scientific studies, not try Pharma and you'll see. All of the studies are based on Pharma and when I get the same results using Hygetropin.com.cn there is NO REASON for me to spend 5-10 times the amount simply because thats what you sell!
There are at least 6 brands of pharma on these boards. I sell only one. I never recall telling you to pin Norditropin have I? Thought so. So don't you go act all smartass and say it's because what I sell.
Second of all, I'd rather be nyjuice's tag team boy than fondle Chinese nuts =)
Good luck with your "Hygetropin.com.cn".
So your saying you are promoting Pharma for other sources? Its not smartass its the truth!
The fondling of nuts I'll leave to you! ;-P
And my experience, not luck has been and will continue to be GOOD with Hygetropin.com.cn
how do you know you are getting the same results if you have never used pharma, is that a fact.
you have this blood work in front of you, which again is a fact but yet your still making excuses as to the results. it's funny because you have Muta who stated at 3.6 iu pharma his igf levels were nearly 1000, you have Pank who has used both generic and pharma, who will tell you there was a huge difference in use. then you who has never used pharma praise generics
Here is proof that I am aware of and the protocol being followed.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/ehealthpill-hygetropin-bloods-g2g-lol-p
An 8iu injection on the morning of the test approx 4hrs before and an 8iu injection 24.5 hrs prior to blood being drawn. Not run it for 6 months!
The bloods posted here are not PROOF they simply show one individual with whatever issue his body has which has his IGF-1 so low in the first place, doing a replacement level shot of a lesser quality HGH (13.6 Serum level) before bed. And you and the other praisers of Pharma are trying to make it something it is not.
Oh and BTW I just found a study showing pretty charts and graphs showing 20k HGH suppressing 22k (endogenous) Production. So I'd say you need to go back and rethink your hearsay evidence.
but where is the comparison of you using pharma, and like you said who is to say you are telling the truth to your pinning protocol, what was baseline igf
Right here:
http://www.eroids.com/pics/bloods-ehp-kigs-centrino-cyp-centrino-deca
IGF-1 the month before 260 running Kigtropin
And here is Serostim 19.4 Serum against the 20.1 of Hygetropin:
http://www.eroids.com/pics/gorillagear-serostim-hgh-results
Now where is ANY of your proof.
Don't question my integrity just because you have no answers. It just makes you look foolish and petty!
1 shot guy, we are talking about continued use to raise igf levels. your integrity is bias because of the free hand outs you receive. thats the hgh serum test, not igf levels, don't question me period. you still have shown me nothing
Yes 1 shot 1 day and one the next for serum and IGF-1 is all I need to see whether its real. So you are saying if I continued at the dose that raised me approx 100 points I wouldn't go any higher? My integrity has never been questioned by anyone that didn't have an agenda. And yes the Pharma is HGH serum level. Didn't test IGF-1 and still don't think I need to when the HGH Serum is in line with all published studies I've seen.
You talk crap over and over and no one should question you! why? Yea your right, my Blood tests don't prove anything to you unless they are Pharma Blood tests then their gospel. Get a valid response or don't respond!
ultimately the raise in igf levels is how you would grade a gh product. so until you have a continued use of pharma to test igf levels you have nothing to compare it to. the point being, the above test with blue tops had a jump in hgh serum level but no increase in igf, so what good is that. the hgh serum test is inconsistent and further testing needs to be done. hidden agenda, what, to call bullshit on these crap blue tops. do yourself a favor as well, do not tell me when or when not to respond with that computer tough guy stuff. it's a debate, if you don't like, then you have no need to respond.
Yea I'm done with this. Proved my point over and over and will continue to do the same. While you in an out front Agenda promote Pharma. Who's going to the computer tough guy shit? Right!
Obama BlowsThat's also depend on how long before bed too, right? Like if he were to inject and then go straight to sleep, he should hit REM sleep and release natty HGH before the major spike from the injection. This is my understanding on that anyways. Personally, I'm a morning guy, but I'm just chiming in here
An HGH injection starts to raise your HGH serum levels "immediately", peaks at about 3.5 hrs and remains elevated, more gradually dropping for approx another 6 hrs. I can't remember precisely but I have read and seen graphs that show endogenous major spike at approx 2 hrs after going to sleep. By then there would be more than enough increase in exogenous HGH to have your natty not producing.
once again FALSE. there is no truth to that, and i can have pathtaker back me on this as well. in actuality standard protocol is injection at bedtime, and upon awakening. this is a quote from pathtaker, "For a time, there was some thought that injecting at bedtime would interfere with the normal release of HGH during R.E.M. sleep but research has not shown that to be a problem. In fact, the current thinking is that by dosing at bedtime and at awakening, the HGH profile is closest to the natural profile."
Wrong. What you say applies only to GH replacement therapy when body doesn't produce endogenous GH. That is why doctors recommend taking GH before bed time to mimic natural profile and not to interfere with sleep regimen by injecting it in the morning or during the day.
When we want to add to what our body produce we need to inject GH after the biggest natural pulse - that is why ideal time for injection is early morning.
did you not read what was written. it was thought that gh would interfere with the normal release of HGH during R.E.M. sleep but research has not shown that to be a problem. this is pertaining to people who still produce gh, not someone who doesn't.
AnonIm not taking any sides on this. But my step son take hgh for dwarfism to replace his because he isn't producing any hence he is not growing. The Dr. tells him to take it right before bed because his body is just not producing enough so he isnt growing. I ask the Dr. myself "why not take it in the AM so he doesn't effect his natural production". He said "He needs it as a replacement, he is not trying to add more to his existing like baseball players do". Those were a Dr. words who practices an has knowledge of this kinda stuff. But i always tell people if your gonna go generic stick with hyges.
I believe you are talking about Pathtaker stating replacement dose protocol for the elderly, whose natty HGH production is already inhibited by age. So yes as a replacement protocol you would want to inject your HGH to be at the time your natty would have been producing BUT ISN'T ANYMORE easier for you to understand in caps? But if you are swapping replacement level doses with your natty I don't think you will get anywhere near the IGF-1 rise as you would by letting your limited natty alone and dosing in the AM, or continuing to increase your dose.
you are not replacing with your natty. gh is not like test and will not inhibit your natural production of gh. his baseline igf levels were extremely low, so even at 2.5ius every day there should be an increase in igf levels, if not your product is complete crap. again, try this with pharma and see if your test yields the same results.
So you say, but everything I have read say's it will. So you are saying the negative feedback loop does not apply with HGH, but the Human Body keeps balance with everything else, just not HGH!?!?!?
GF, I was going to comment on your previous posting but didn't get a chance.
It is based on age; at 49 it is preferable if only taking one pin ed to do it at bedtime. (I was just about to up the dose and was anticipating 2x ed, bedtime and morning, but I won't put any more of this into my body.)
See: http://www.getropin.com/hgh6.htm (Scroll down to the point where the bodybuilder graphic is.)
AnonThat article said this
"For those that are between their late 20’s and early 50’s, there is still a reasonable chance that your own endogenous production of HGH is still at a reasonable level. The best time to take and injection, this being the case, would be early morning …. After your body’s own release of HGH in the night."
First off, this is a sales site for aftermarket HGH. If you read the rest of that paragraph it also say's taking it right before bed will rob your body of its natural production. IMO you simply swapped approx the same amount of HGH, or a lil less based on your IGF-1 drop.
I am not an endocrinologist.
But I am logical and I do a lot of research.
Your baseline seems to indicate you have a low IGF-1 production for some reason, maybe simply age?
Get yourself some Hygetropin.com.cn and follow Pathtakers protocol for estimating your IU needs to raise your IGF-1 level to where you need it. Good Luck!
http://www.eroids.com/og/anti-aging/an-example-of-extrapolating-hgh-targ...
Even if my gh production were totally shut down as you suggest, at 2.5-3.3iu, the exogenous levels should have easily been higher than natural production.
2IU is standard GH replacement therapy dose and it implies that pharma grade GH is used.
Why do you expect generic blue tops to produce higher IGF serum level than pharma GH at almost the same dose?
My point was, if your baseline IGF-1 was 66 you are producing but at the low end. If you swap your low end nightly production for a replacement amount, or less depending on the quality of the HGH why would you expect an increase? Its like if your natural test levels were 800 and you did 200mg of Cyp every 2 weeks which is what puts me at 800. This would stop your natural 800 production and leave you with the 800 you are injecting. No increase, just the same!
your comparing his low igf levels to a 800 test level. try using a similar comparison, like a low test level, then use your 200mg cyp replacement dose. you will see a jump in his test levels
I thought it would be easier to understand? Obviously not. Regardless of level, if you shoot exogenous in an equal amount of your endogenous which stops your endogenous, it will be Zero benefit!
AnonSo does this all mean david is a bad source?
Obama BlowsNo. Hyges & Rips are G2G
AnonJust my .02 that if a src is willing to sell garbage (Kigs & questionable blue tops) they aren't high on my list for other products that are legit.
AnonIam confident with my Gh blue top because i get it from legit company.
I hope we will find a good way to test Gh, don't let some other things let us misunderstanding. in my opnion,to analysis Gh itself we can get rid of individual difference.
Obama BlowsFork out the $ and have Beaker run a Mass Spec on a kit of your blues
Beaker, if you are out there, pm me.
Obama BlowsI don't have enough of his blues to run them long enough to do an IGF-1 test otherwise I'd do it just to find out what's up.
Anonjason_cfl use 2.5iu a day, at A.M or at night before bed? and dose he have correct injection? dose he have any other sides will make igf level in low?
and he use only 2.5iu day, didn't add the dose before do testing. as we all know, the lab results will have a big loss when prepare for tesing and processing of testing at lab.
so i can say that lab is not enough to confirm anythings.
Obama BlowsWell I'm really tired right now, so I don't fully understand what you're asking/saying. Language barrier?
Anonfor a normal Gh runing, 100% will increase igf level. but as we all know have many sides will make difference on igf level.
according my knowledges, Gh serum level testing is very accurate way to tell it's real or not.
any body know any peptides will make Gh serum level up to 15 or 25ng/ml? or some guys say the 192aa Gh will make its high serum level, have proof or have any studies for us?
AnonSorry but Blue Tops are the riskiest of all kinds of HGH you can spend ur money on. Honestly the odds are worse than 50/50. Why anyone would buy an no brand blue top I just don't get it. I don't have anything against generics. But at least get a name brand generic like Hyges or Rips. The consistently test well and have for over a year. Blues are like finding a needle in a haystack.
My body deserves better and so does everyone else's.
no offense to anyone who wants to run Blue Tops but its just a fact. Huge risk buying Blue Tops from anybody.
AnonAgreed!
a few of suppliers have Real Gh blue top, that is REAL GH from legit company. most of Gh blue top are FAKES, but very difficult to tell it's difference before doing a testing. but Brand Gh like Hygetropin, Riptropin with Serials numbers for checking at offical site, so we can easy to know it's good to go or not.(base on this 2 brands have good labs result for many years)
Recommend hyges, rips!
Agreed !
I couldn't agree with you more. And I hope if there is anything that people here take away from this experience, it is just that. With generics, there is no accountability, lot tracking or any other quality control measure.
Another plausible explanation, you may have gotten your hand on some non-bioactive GH. Very popular in Chinese products. It shows fine on GH Serum Test, but your body does not use it, i.e. it does not bind to the receptors in liver cells and thus does not stimulate any IGF-1 synthesis.
One day this board will understand that high GH Serum is a bad indicator of legit GH.
AnonIf non-bioactive GH, how can it make high GH Serum level? if non-bioactive GH, that is not Gh.
"some non-bioactive GH. Very popular in Chinese products", first time heard about this....
As far as i know it 192aa will show up on GH serum test but due to low bioavailability in the body won't produce as much IGF-1 as it does when 191aa injected. Correct me if i am wrong.
Anondo you have proof of 192aa HGH will show GH serum level? give us a link for learning or just your GUESSING?
That is a possibility, AND 192aa is much cheaper.
Anonat last i found you have wrong operating on IGF-1 testing. that's why you have low igf level.
Check the link: http://www.somatropin.cn/hghtest
"HGH serum test
A cheaper and simpler test, which can be done by most labs is to have your blood tested for HGH serum prior to injecting growth hormone. Afterwards, take 4IU of HGH and 3 hours later have the same HGH blood serum test repeated. If your product is real the 2nd result should show a drastic increase in serum level. Some manufacturers will also reimburse you for this test after you send them the lab results. Just ask.
Growth hormone serum test result inconsistencies
HGH serum levels depend on many factors and are inconsistent from test to test. These factors include injection timing, dosage, diet, current body levels of amino acid degrading enzyme responsible for HGH degradation, potential immune response, etc. For this reason you are unlikely to get the same growth hormone test result twice. The result is a reliable indicator that the injected growth hormone is authentic however it cannot determine the quality or potency of HGH. This is a common misconception often mentioned on bodybuilding forums. HGH serum levels will not tell you “how strong” the growth hormone is, only whether it is real or not.
IGF-1 test
The level of IGF-1 hormone and HGH in the body are tightly correlated. Injecting growth hormone will raise a person’s IGF-1 levels as well. Elevated IGF-1 levels are thus a good indicator of authentic HGH. The IGF-1 test is performed in the same manner as above mentioned HGH serum test."
and your serum level test: http://www.eroids.com/pics/lab-results-kigtropin-generic-bluetops-from-p...
that is enough to tell the Gh is real!
Because you didn't test your IGF level like you test your Gh serum level, you tell us the testing is "After 3 1/2 weeks of 2.5iu /ed" ; that's wrong operating!
Please redo the IGF level test like you test your Gh serum level again if you don't belive this Gh is real.
Again, My blue top are from legit company, will not go wrong!
Just so we are all on the same page.... This article basically says igf is a better indicator.
Hgh only tells if there's hgh, not potency.
Agree?
The serum test done last month was 13.4. You are advertising numbers from in the 20's and 30's on your website. A little disingenuous.
We obviously disagree. And as I said, I seriously doubt based on the igf-1 testing that the blue tops I received are in fact 191aa.
Now, we can go back and forth if that is what you want...