+ 15 LAB RESULTS: igf-1 results from buy-kigtropin blue top special
I purchased 5 x 100iu kits of buy-kigtropin's generic blue tops a month ago when they were offered at $135/per.
Posted serum labs (13.4 ng/mL) previously at: http://www.eroids.com/pics/lab-results-kigtropin-generic-bluetops-from-p... . Not outstanding, but not horrible either.
I just had igf-1 levels tested (see above) and I am calling this bunk. I don't know what it is, but it is not 191aa.
Baseline testing through my doctor about 6 months ago had my baseline at 66 pg/mL.
After 3 1/2 weeks of 2.5iu /ed, the igf-1 level is basically unchanged.
I urge anyone else who has purchased this substance to get tested and post as well.
David, we need to talk about your money back guarantee.
THIS IS THE FIRST PURCHASE THAT I HAVE MADE WITH THIS SOURCE AND PAID FULL PRICE FOR THE HGH AS WELL AS FOR BOTH SETS OF LAB TESTING, WHICH WAS DONE WITHOUT THE SOURCE'S PRIOR KNOWLEDGE.
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Thank you brother for your time and costly investment pertaining to the well being and safety of the community! Thank you for being a man of utmost integrity! +1
Thanks man, appreciate your kind words.
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It got really quite in here
Anonthanks for all talking and communication,, but i like there is a peace communication only..I want to see if have any proof that GH serum level tested in high level and that is not Gh but peptides? or just other Pharms sellers Guessing?
any proof that every person will have high IGF level after ran REAL GH? so if don't have high IGF level then all because of Gh have problem?
May be have a kind of person don't have effects on Gh runing because his other habit or other drugs in his body, everythings working under the Certain conditions!
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI have been reading this thread a couple days and its the hottest topic in forum.
With everyone wanting real HGH that won't cost more than a I will say $10 per day (my coffee habit)
Its very, very difficult to narrow down what and where. No consistency across generics, even batches.
There is no Pharma grade for $10 a day. Shit It may just be a bad idea that I'm dealing with. Maybe I'm too cheap for HGH. IDK.
It get's easy to say you cant miss your blood tests IGF with pharma, but I can't miss my steak and eggs salad.
I dont see a clear picture here that avg joe can afford!!! Buying kits that test weird, or buying pharma and having nothing else for a hobby. LOL I can say good bye to video games. I'll go stare at the trees and do pull ups I guess
AnonIf any HGH (generally speaking) doesn't spike your IGF, its not serving its purpose and you mine as well be on peptides.
This thread is coming close to 1,500 views and AGAIN I will make my request. If there are any others out there who have recently purchased blue tops from this source and know their baseline igf-1, PLEASE consider having labs done and post for the benefit of this community.
This source has posted on their website that these will deliver serum level numbers of 25-35 ng/mL. This is total bullshit. In fact I will donate $100 to Special Olympics for the first posted serum labs from the promo blue tops from any established eroids member who can show numbers in this range from a credible lab.
AnonNo bullshit! just what a pity that why don't have more labs come out from the promos...
Jason... Again, props to you for testing. I see you as the anchor or reference point. You are spot on that we need at least one more subject to compare.
Someone will be very popular.
I haven't seen his Bluetops or any Bluetops averaging in the 25-35 range. Even Hygetropin.com.cn sometimes comes in just under 20!
But yet that is the claim on his website. (Screencap saved.)
AnonGh serum level high or not depended on the purity of Gh and the Health of tester. I claim that my Gh have that purity!
But if the wrong testing or tester self problem... who can control it...
dude you basically say that about every freaking test saying it not right or they dont have proof. no generics test in the 25-35 range i have never seen any from you or another source. and its clear the blue tops do nothing to igf. it looks as though some hyge blood tests just came back showing they may be bunk.. something very strange is going on and i know i will take my busines elsewhere plenty of places that have tried and true bloods and dont have srcs that are consitently lying(or stretching the truth if you wanna say that lol) i wish you luck bro im sure more bloods will come out. my guess is you wont like the results seems as if you have had problems with all the negative testing.
Anonthe blue top from me is some other suppliers' OEM brands' original vials, they tested by at least 3 kinds different way, included the Gh serum level, have about 10different testers, they get 25-35ng/ml numbers.. that's why i claimed that!
I have 3 blue top vials left I'm really tempted to get some blood work so we can have a once and for all answer!
To be valid you would need a baseline IGF-1 test first.
Lets see your igf bruh
AnonVery welcome bro!!
Moral of the story.... blue tops are WEAK. Severely under dosed. Not sure how they have been successfully giving high GH serum results but igf should be slightly elevated at 2.5ius.
Thanks for the reassurance. I'm never going to touch anything but hyges or pharma
I'm going to bring this up again since its now buried a few pages back.
Jason was running 2.5iu (approx a normal replacement dose).
But he was running it at bed time!
Which from everything I've heard will inhibit normal endogenous HGH release because its already there.
So, if he is taking in what he normally would produce, and is not producing that amount naturally wouldn't it be the same as not taking any at all? Because he was just swapping exogenous for endogenous.
So I would expect his IGF-1 to remain baseline.
Just a theory, any opinions?
Wrong and irrelevant =)
Common, EmPee
With all due respect you don't seem to be trying to uncover the truth.
What GorillaFit said makes perfect sense and backed by scientific studies.
IGF testing protocol that was used by OP is wrong. I am almost sure that if he pined 2UI of pharma grade HGG he wouldn't see elevated IGF level either.
As for my opinion on this matter, I think generic blue-tops (and vast majority of other generics) are complete crap and no one should pin them into their body. We see neither suppression nor elevation of IGF level after pinning HG bed time. In case of this test result, it's because there is no HGH in blue top so there is no suppression of endogenous production and author just sees his normal unaffected IGF.
If pharma grade HGH was pined at the same dose, we wouldn't see much elevation of IGF either but due to another reason which is suppression of his natural GH pulse by replacement dose of exogenous HGH.
Question still remains open: how Chinese generic hghs show high GH serum level while fail to elevate IGF.
My guess is that they use blend of petides to mimics sides and cheap 192aa to elevate GH serum level.
You know that there are many GH pulses during the day, not only at bedtime right? Exogenous administration will suppress for maybe 6 hours, not 24 hours.
With all due respect, I think I know what I'm talking about. Only way you will believe is that if this guy pins 2.5IUs of pharma at the same time he did the blue tops, for the exact same duration. And take the IGF-1 test at the same exact time as well. I'd love to see that done, and the look on your faces as well.
Here is a visual to show you it can and does in possibly a dose dependent manner:
The night time pulse is the biggest.
My point, I agree Gorillafit could be right. The blue tops could be real. BUT it's clear they are NOT dosed correctly. In this case severely underdosed.
The smiley face almost says your joking and the comment almost says you want me to teach you more! ;-P Prove it! Are you saying when you pin HGH is or irrelevant? Are you saying if you interupt your bodies normal production with an exogenous shot it makes no difference? Are you saying If you put in the same amount your body normally produces, which stops your body from producing it you would still see a rise in IGF-1.
You or him go pin 2.5IUs of Pharma same protocol like was done with the blue tops, and get igf blood tests after 3.5weeks.
Once again no facts, no debate, just "pin pharma", "pin pharma", "pin pharma"!
well stop being cheap and do it, then youll have your answers and an end to your debate
I just gave him the most scientifically valid proposal to end the debate, getting blood tests (him or jason). But it seems blood tests are not facts.
No, you said the same thing you have always said "buy pharma"!
Its funny blood tests I've already posted you say don't mean anything the tests are invalid. But if it shows an increase for Pharma now their valid!?!?!
If you pin pharma with the same protocol and get high igf that's not a fact or proof for you? Again, I told you this once and I'm gonna say it again, I don't envy that logic of yours at all.
What Empee is suggesting makes perfect sense, and it could just as easily be "hyges" or another option and it would answer the question. Ultimately, that is what I will probably do, if for no other reason than to satisfy my personal curiosity.
My situation is this: I have a $500-600/month budget for gear, testing, etc. Last month I exceeded $1500. Spouse was not happy. And because of the nature of this experience, I can't accept test gear from any source lest it affect the perception of impartiality. My integrity is being questioned here and I will not compromise it.
Finally someone who sees logic. What I have suggested can be done with any other GH for sake of comparison, not necessarily pharma. The cheapest and safest option would be Hyges I believe, if you're willing to go forward with this experiment. Also, be sure that no one is questioning your integrity. You have no reason to lie. It's not like you're getting free kits like some other people do =)
Yes I did get "free" kits to cover my time and expenses testing them!
I'm not question "his" integrity at all simply his protocol and whether there is another reason he did not get an IGF-1 increase other than the secret special peptide the Chinese all use to mimic HGH serum results but don't increase IGF-1, that you are trying to blame all this on. With ZERO proof!
Read back, I was not the one who suggested it was a secret peptide (though, it may be, as this was coming from another source as well.)
What I have said is that this source advertises 25-35ng/mL serum levels and continues to stand by that fantasy, while stating that his blue tops are high quality and go head to head with other hgh.
There was no igf-1 reaction, and at the 2.5 and 3.3iu level it should have produced more than my low baseline levels. I researched and found a number of people who advocated, given my age and baseline levels that pre-bedtime pinning was appropriate. I am still not convinced that any other timing would have been more appropriate.
The gear, as well as both serum and igf-1 testing were done wholly at my own expense, and when I posted the serum test numbers I must have gotten a half dozen emails from the source saying that the lab was wrong/that the protocol was wrong/that there was a full moon that night... And the same reaction when I posted the igf-1 number.
Believe me, I wanted this to be a better experience. I went in with a 5-month order.
David and I are just 180 degrees apart on the quality of what he provided.
The mystery peptide story has been around a long time. I don't think I said you said anything about it but not sure at this point.
I agree with you. I have not seen any of the BlueTop tests hit 25-35 Serum.
As far as your bodies ability to increase IGF-1 regardless of method that is still not proven. I was only trying to give you facts based on my research and Scientific studies I've seen.
Been there myself when people where claiming a source I purchased from was all fake I shelled out $170 to prove to myself what I was taking was good because it was affecting my motivation in the first EBC.
I'd like your experience to be good also. What is between you and David is just that. I can say he has fixed things with other unhappy customers in the past though. If I can help provide information let me know, or maybe contact Pathfinder, he has a lot of info on Anti-Aging. Good Luck!
Thanks. One of the things that would add some clarity would be if some of the others provide labwork here.
didn't doubleg also state that, why didn't you question him
No, once again your recollection is faulty! Double G said:
This has nothing to do with testing high HGH Serum levels!
Who said anything about you?
Well considering I'm the only other one in this "debate"......
I said "no one" is questioning his integrity. That includes you.
And you know the post you wrote I am replying to was:
Which is already on a different page.
Which is also not directed at you =) Unless you feel concerned, then that is a whole different story ;)
Once again, I was the only other person in the conversation. So yes it was directed at me!
Buddy, seriously how old are you? It is NOT directed at you. Don't you remember the latest GH scandal with a top source? Didn't some people get free kits and post fake results? Come on ffs stop acting like a kid. If it was directed at you I'd say it in your face no need to hide or lie
I don't know who got what? Some people contacted me and said I should try them and I said I hadn't seen any bloods on them yet. What is ffs? I'm not up on the texting abbreviations.