+ 26 Lab results for Primo 200 and Androbolan
These are my Janoshik results for Primo 200 from OnlytheBestaas and Pharmaq Androbolan from RB.
Results were not what I had hoped for overall, but especially for the Primo which is what I suspected after having gone through 2 20 ml vials of the primo. Zero pip on large quad shots and I know primo isn’t that noticeable, but I noticed nothing. I chose this product for testing because I had 8 vials of it and I was concerned after using it, plus with the discourse I had with others who had used it.
Had not used the Androbolan yet, was going to build my next cycle around it because I have a butt tonne of it due to a reship and original pack both showing up. There was a little controversy and I have a lot so I got it tested when I had the extra cash flow. The expensive products are dosed about right. Must have just been a screwup to skimp on the Testosterone Enanthate. I can work with it, it is just good to know that I will have to add 200 mg of testosterone to get the results I’m expecting.
Maybe I can use the primo to cut DHB with to reduce pip from it. Otherwise that concentration is worthless as to how much oil I would have to pump in me. Thought I had 32 grams of methenolone enanthate, turns out I have 8 grams and a lot of oil.
OnlytheBestaas Primo
ME 1080
Exp 10/2022
Pharmaq Androbolan
Batch # 1-336900
Manufacturing date: 12/2018
Exp: 12/2022
Androbolan was ordered last November, took a while to show up due to USPS headaches
I have had the Primo from OnlytheBestaas a while longer. I was saving primo for when I got lean enough to appreciate its magic. Which I’m ready for on my next run. Used it over the last 3 months on a cruise while loosing weight for nitrogen retention.
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Garbage primo. Smh
Thanks for this Maddogg, much appreciated, +1
fuck man . so much bull shit to deal with buying from ugl sources. on every forum there is alot of testing being done now by individuals and most lab work comes back like this. the day of you ugl sources getting away from your untested gear is nearing its end. everybody is sending in samples now to get there gear tested, so for you stupid fucking sources out there that want to sell gear and remain trust worthy. send your fuckin raws for testing before brewing them and sending them out to customers. there is so much fuckery going on now and im glad im seeing all these lab tests being conducted by individuals .
RustyhookerPrimo 200.....48mg....wow
LizPost a link to this thread in your original OTB comment so all of his other customers can see this. Right now I have to click your profile and find your picture to see this page.
I hope this gets worked out for you. + for the testing. You do a lot of the community and it’s appreciated
Molinin302I dont have a dog in this fight, but maddogg is as solid as they come and it's the same testing that sources say is reliable. I'm a think outside of the box guy though, I've never seen so many posts, and picture posts on a Sunday. Seems like someone really wanted this off of the main board. Just my two cents.
Its now Monday Mol Lol Its rolled off the board now ...
Molinin302I hate to see this kind of stuff, it's why I always say don't hook me up, don't make it strong, just sell me what the label says. If there's a problem, let's work it out. This became an unnecessary shit show.
It's so strange that they would put the right amount of expensive stuff but only put half the amount of the cheapest compound. Why?
The sources pathetic response just makes him look guilty af to be honest. It’s sad cause some of these sources don’t realise that they can actually come out of this looking much better if they respond appropriately and fix the issue accordingly. They can gain even more trust from members if they handle things properly.
if he had sent a sealed vial with a label the test would have been correct, janoshik would have transcribed the lot number and manufacturer of the oil in the test, then he would have had to contact me and ask to fix it amicably! Always within the time limits that you do not arouse suspicion, not after almost 1 year and a half! Anyone can put some oil in a bottle send to test and say it is from a certain source to land it! They did so at Anasci in fact tests have been suspended. I send oil vials and bottles of sealed and labeled tabs from our sales warehouses and not from the factory that might cheat, so that I have a safe test that guarantees me that their job was done right!
If I asked the factory for a refund for a bad production two years ago, they wouldn't believe me, they wouldn't refund me and they would even take me for an idiot for complaining after two years
So although Jano is an honest man when it comes to blind samples he will take pay offs when offered to him by sources.
Lads all thank OTB for confirming our suspicions and debunking janko! What a cracking thread this turned out to be.
Pounds23Grow keytech is a fucking liar bro jano would not do that trust me dude his only hope right now is to discredit jano to try and make himself look good cause he's caught yet once again for the 3-4-5 time.... If that was the case and jano was taking payments the hilma biocare oils wouldn't be underdosed where they are..... Don't let this dude fucking fool u dude.... He trying to cover his ass however he can. Just like when he got caught with the superdrol test and everyone went after the poor fucking lab who was only trying to help everyone , and everyone tore into him to support keytech.... He's been caught with primo alone three times easily dude..... Jano put out a real test keytech got caught he's un happy at jano and now gunna try and sicredit him..... U could of sent this damn thing to any lab it still wouldn't came out exactly the same
Lol debunking Jano? You guys are out of your mind. Just because he posts results from shitty labs that pay to be here no one likes him. Some of you guys are hysterical. Sign up for another promo while your at it for some of that fire gear, just make sure you pay the rent lmao!
I don’t understand your reply to the context of my comment. I don’t think you’ve read the whole thread fella.
Pounds23And why would u believe keytech someone that's caight multiple times by jano of course he doesn't like jano , cause jano has fucking busted his ass multiple times why would u believe so e that's lied and put out underdosed gear not once not twice not three time but four times.... Jano fucked up once admitted and said sorry ... Keytech had said sorry or gave a reason or example.of.what went wrong zero times.he hasn't even said sorry ..... So why believe him over jano seriously dude
Hey buddy, he is being sarcastic. He knows the test was legit and keytech is a scoundrel. There are maybe only one or two guys on this entire site that have any dour of that.
Pounds23I'll take it word for u maddog..... But serra has contributed a shit ton more then any other member here and helped us all out and intend to contuine testing potentially..... The dude is a machine thank God we have someone like him around , I'm just not gunna have people putting the dude down if he goes crazy then that's one thing but serra is a super respectful and super nice guy.....it should be very interesting to see what I can look like by the middle and the end of the summer....anyway madd thank u for also testing brother I know serra is trying to get another list of labs and products potentially together to be tested..... I made a thread to hopefully people will see and make a tiny donation to keep testing going I akso put which labs us like to see and which compounds
I understand you loud and clear. He must of been drinking or something.
Pounds23No one is drinking, man this dude has legit spent mad money testing gear coulda kept them secret and not showed anyone but he was nice enough to post them and show u which labs and doing the right things but yet ull bash him say he's drinking. And fucking take keytech side someone that's multiple times lied and never explained his actions or said sorry.... Lol yeah maddog took a bunch of oil and sent it out just to pay like $150 to already know what it was gunna come back.... Why would anyone send out anything other then there legit sample, the whole point is to make sure what ur using is what it is..... Why in these times do people think they got 100 plus a hefty price for shipping to say yup I'll just piss that money away and send out a straight oil sample with a super small squirt of actually keytech primo..... This is like the fourth time he's been caught with the same compound , this is pretty common sense.shit here....
Bigun2In his defense, he’s had his character assassinated (not by you gentlemen, by the thieving ass source) for the better part of a week while trying to do what eroids was created for, so I’d be a little touchy myself.
I know, him and the Maddoggy are eroid hero's for sure. Both them guys did the right thing and took a alot of heat for it. I meant no disrespect to him whatsoever.
Sorry couldn’t tell if you were being sarcastic or serious.
my friend, sorry my bad encglish, customer if it would have received HPLC not good, it should contact me to solve the problem friendly
AnonThat's all well and good, but the whole premise of a review site like this is too make sure OTHERS can have access to good labs and suppliers. We want our money as a consumer to go to labs that brew accurately and safely, and with good customer service second.
If your gear is amazing and consistent and clean you can have shit customer service and I'll still come back if it's delivered on time lol. Call me names I don't care, if you've got good clean gear I can rely on I will still give you money..
But with poor customer service and relations on top of questionable gear you only lose business.
Bigun2I think the problem is your idea of what “solve the problem” looks like and everyone else’s idea is different.
Your idea: get bad test, customer sends you results, you pay them off and the results never see the light of day.
Our idea: and Maddogg has said as much, whatever the outcome of the tests were the board learns the truth. It’s about integrity. This is a risk-mitigation forum. We’re all here to use these substances as safely as possible. He tested these substances to find out what he was placing into his body. He uploaded the results so others could know the truth about what they might be putting into their bodies.
I just can’t understand how you think Maddog is in the wrong in this matter.
BigCactusLmao wtf are you saying? Janoshik has to contact you if the labwork is bad to not arouse suspicion?? What are you saying...janoshik is colluding with sources?
If your gear degrades by 75% in 1.5 years its certified trash. Lmao are you out of your mind with these claims? And even if thats the case then you should fix it because your raws are trash then.
And basically by putting an expiration date on the label you are claiming 4 years of potent gear. Are you saying you are scamming people with false claims on labels?
If you know so well your gear degrades this fast why aren't you disclosing this info before people buy it? Why not make the expiration date shorter?
It's also extremely clear that everyone receiving Test prop that smells and hurts from Guaiacol is actually getting TNE instead, The excuse of adding it in after to help with the cold weather deliveries is one of the funniest things I've ever heard, as if he's actually thinking of his customers and trying to help them, yeah right. In 7 years of using Test prop I've never had any that contain guaiacol - Look up the case studies of it online, the stuff is basically toxic.
BigCactusThis source looks crazier the more he posts and the more info like this comes out honestly.
We send blind unlabelled samples so we know that the testing lab is doing it’s job. There has been instances where certain people claimed to test gear and were complete scammers. Jano is good now but even he had a shady reputation once upon a time. He has proved himself because of all the blind samples he has done now.
The time frame doesn’t matter, I have some vials from other labs that I’ve had for around a year or so as well and won’t be using for at least another few months either. It’s very common for members that use long term to do this.
I don’t know what happened at Anasci but I never trusted those guys anyway. Lots of shady people from professional muscle that protect sources.
And on your last point, he hasn’t even asked you for a refund lol. He literally has nothing to gain from this bad result except that now he knows he was wasting his time with crap and can now find something better.
That is what I was going to do. Janoshik said “why would you do that? I only need .5 to 1 ml.” Also I though to my self “Well he does way more business with sources than customers. Maybe he won’t want to bite the hands that feed him.” Plus I walked into there with the pack open which made the whole thing way more chill and I told them it was liquid HMB that I was going to sell to my customers vs Vegetable oil as a control for a blind sample so I knew the lab couldn’t fool me. Also I’ll know the truth for sure then and hope my reputation is good enough to carry it the rest they way, which with the benefit of hind sight, clearly it was. With the Androbolan, did I filter out half the testosterone and leave the two other compounds untouched? GTFO. And you keep exaggerating the time line in your favor. YES, this lab report was bad for you, but your response made it many multiples worse.
Janoshik said me if you want to send 1 ml is enough for me to test, I did it only once and the customers began to doubt, rightly there was no lot number, brand, expiry date, it was only written 'oil'. So don't listen to it and send whole bottles from any source! Many factories that produce for many brands on board if you are famous will contact you, they will send proofs of their production for famous brands, you will test them by spending a lot of money and when a product does not stay well, they will say that their tests are right, for this in 2020 we opened our production, and havent more this problem, so you guys test every source even the most expensive, which according to you is the best! It will be funny the results!
dude just stop with the cocky were the best behavior, its not helping. just say oh i fucked up already it will help you out instead of continuing this bullshit holy fuck
AnonWhat good does that do us as the consumer? If you send a sample in that has your name and the alleged compound/dose on it?
If it's not a blind random sample there's no point for us. The only way we wouldn't trust the member over the producer is if he was caught trying to extort you.
No one has asked for anything for free and it's not like has anything to gain... Hell is an up hill battle for us to post this stuff because y'all never take responsibility, even if it's your labs fault or a suppliers..
Who even cares if it's been 2 years, the hormone won't degrade 75% at the turn of the clock on the 1.5 year mark... We all know potency is lost to some extent as time goes on but that's besides the point, your in a PR hot spot that plays out in 2 ways, you go crazy over board with positivity and act like you've got the world best customer service or you get defensive and lose a fuck ton of potential customers.. Why the fuck would you say anything besides "oh shit, we're going to test everything right now and figure out what happened!" Even if you actually did NOOOTHING, it would still look good and we'd be none the wiser lol seriously... You learn this stuff in like intro to business.. It's almost common sense..
To know how much the hormone degrades you can ask janoshik to do thousands of tests, the funny thing is to buy goods and inject after 2-5 years, without considering that the oil rancid, goes bad, rots, becomes acid, it is not only as you see it a power problem, but to inject yourself with a bad oil, all this is absurd! Peoples are crazy
If you send a vial with primobolan on the label and testosterone in it, janoshik will recognize it and report to you that testosterone instead of methenolone. Seeing is believing!
What? I can’t even make sense of that. It is late I guess.
I also question every src with this compound. Because its expensive and hard to find good pure raws. Not long ago from his later batch a few months back a member posted a very positive result of 187mg/ml with less than a full cc sent for testing. Obviously maddog says is last year batch but like i said he may of not even know of it Because they didn't test thier own stuff, the lab fkd up recipe, or raws were shit. Either way his reaction not only to maddogg but also everyone who commented on this post deleting friends says what type of individual were dealing with
We used to have a domestic here who tested every batch of raws and posted the results immediately. Then he’d brew, and he’d send the oils for testing too. 100% transparency. And guess what? His shit was always on point. Sometimes his inventory was light because raws he got weren’t up to his standards but he’d rather not sell than sell crap. Miss that src. Only a few labs I trust with primo these days...
Proper thing
I know who you're talking about. I never got to try his products as I'm not in the states but I remember him being stand up. That's the level every lab should aspire too. I remember his batches would sell out straight away.
Honestly the raws thing is not even an excuse. As a source you should know primo raws can be hit or miss. You take accountability and test every batch of raws you get and if it's not good enough you don't brew with it and you don't put it out for sale. If he got fucked over by his partner or brewer then yeah different story but even then his response is still shit.
All he had to do was say sorry guys my last brewer must of fucked up on this older batch, we promise our new batches are better and we will do our best to ensure future batches are good quality too. I offer some incentives for any members who have a newer batch of my primo to send a vial for testing and post the results.
How hard was that?
Agreed
Just got deleted lol.
Yep... me too. Good riddance.
Lmfao. This is the first time ive seen such a thing
When a source says you need to inject his gear 1.5 inches so you don't get any PIP what do you think that tells you? I've never heard such madness.
^ this, I pinned with slin pins in my quads delts and pecs, only time i get swelling is using his shit. cause it has EO in it, his solution like you said was to pin deeper... what!?
I like 1.5 inch syringe 23g this is my personal opinion but i think deeper the better, and less prone to infection not for pip purpose because it doesn't matter for this a bad shot is a bad shot, but i think there is more receptor sites in deeper tissue. This is why i like inject bigger body parts too, lats, delts, glutes. But if the compound is notorious for PIP like his 200 mg test prop. It doesn't matter your getting lumped up still no matter what syringe size