posted Tue, 11/12/2019 - 13:56
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+ 6 IGF Results from IronLion - is it bunk?
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My bloods are normally mid range, and just got back from my bloods from doing 5iu a day of IronLions Orange Tops since August... mid range.
Maybe it was in the heat of Summer that it broke down but either way disappointing, yet part of the process.
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It's why i dont buy gh / IGF1 during summer weather .... The packing up to 60° easy in the delivery car ;-)
Not looking too good, in the other hands IGF levels of 151 are very healthy it shows you are getting older very slow
I had the same issue. Igf1 at 5iu tested around 190. Had a serum test and it registered through the roof. Recently had a metabolic panel and it showed my ast and alt were elevated. Over 100 on both. So possibly a liver conversion issue along with running dht compounds. My bloodwork also showed elevated/ out of range c reactive protein levels which I was told is indicative of gh use. So many variables can give undesirable igf1 results.
A serum test would be helpful. If serum is high but igf is still low it could be a conversion issue
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we will do a test after every new batch of goods comes out,
if the test results is not good, we don't send it to our customers or distributors,
we know quality, honesty are very important in this field.
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RustyhookerYour review....
OnlineNov 1st, 2018
My first order with IronBorn but loving the products and quality. Test & Tren A doing what they're supposed to. The SD had my lethargy through the roof so may need to discontinue but another sign that its working, SD made me feel this way back when it was legal. Will definitely be ordering again.
Superdrol is a dht and will skew igf tests downward.
https://www.jpnm.org/dianabol-dbol-review/#Dianabol_vs_Superdrol_vs_Anadrol
In fairness this is Quest and is LC-MS so DHT’s shouldn’t be causing interference as far as we’ve been able to tell but we have never ruled out whether DHT actually biologically lower IGF-1 but nothing in the literature indicate that it does. We also know that LC-MS testing tends to skew lower and certain other immunoassay tests tend to skew higher. No doubt this is a disappointing result no matter what test is run. That all said there is likely to be something else at play given how consistently well this GH has tested recently (multiple tests from me included). I’d be interested to see the CBC and Biochemistry. Liver could very well be a significant factor here especially considering the stack above and how the OP was feeling. And the Tren has been shown to impact IGF-1 production by the liver. This is going to be compounded even after those compounds are stopped especially if proper liver support isn’t run and heavy training continues putting the liver under continued strain. Anyway just some rambling thoughts.
This is really helpful information, apologies to Iron Lion if I jumped the gun on calling it bunk. Could my liver enzymes being at the high end/just within range be the reason I'm not responding well to good gear?
My baseline, was only 20 below this test, so thus assumed legit gear would've elevated it much more.
Haven't run low dose Tren since Feb and haven't touched SD since the review in 2018.
RustyhookerThe bigger picture! Hope this guy has the added info to build upon all these unknowns as stated to get to a better understanding.
true, that's why i asked about DHT's, superdrol with tren, messed up liver aswell, gonna be a bad conversion
RustyhookerIts good if he has supporting info. That forum being built needs this to find a better way of testing.
And yes your questions led to me looking around. Everything helps us end users out in the long run
RustyhookerMy bloods are normally mid range,
my first time trying GH
What was your natty levels at? Gear being used? On nolva etc during test?
Natty levels were 131, and was tested without any Estro blockers.
Test levels for 70mg Test Prop came back at 702, this test was 48hrs after last Prop injection, about 16hrs after last Orange Top GH injection of 2.5iu.
Did you up the dose when mid-range first time? Or take time off and go again at 5iu?
Cheers for your help.
RustyhookerIts good you posted! Opens up pandoras box of learning. Im learning tons.
First few days on hgh i had to lower dose as my base was only 76....old fart me...lol. Ive been running 3iu lately but built up to that and will lower to 1.5iu. 3iu on cycle felt great and on the ebc i dropped a ton of fat.
Things ive learned in the last year is some of whats posted up top. Which test, dht, tren, liver, and theres even non responders. Things that can help all of us better our cycles with less sides. Tread was a guru on here for a long time and posted quite a bit about the testicular axis which was test and hgh balance. Ideals of better pct by better balance.
Thanks mate. I'm learning a lot and really appreciate guys like you jumping in to help out and point out anything I might be not considering.
IronLion is re-sending the kits, what should I do/change to make sure I'm optimized for its conversion etc?
Lastly, how long should I wait after 5iu of the new kits to test so it is a fair reading?
Cheers again.
What r u running beside GH? any DHT's?
No DHT's, just Test Prop 70mg EOD & T3 @ 25mcg.
Think u should wait what the HGH experts here say before u say the gear is bunk...
Fair call, I'm not expert. Was just going off everything I've read (of other experiences) 5iu should have much higher reading than mid-range.
That’s disappointing
Yeah, my first time trying GH as well, have been a peptide bro in the past. Could a slow delivery of it during Summer have effected its quality?
It should have been packaged with that possibility in mind, you email the source?
Yeah definitely wasn't. I've contacted, cheers mate.