posted Wed, 05/09/2018 - 17:53
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+ 14 Mid-Cycle Labs - Under dosed Test?
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Hey guys, so I got my labs done mid-cycle recently due to libido issues & had a feeling I may have crashed my prolactin.
I'm super sensitive to caber & went from using research chemicals to an overseas sources. Turns out I was right, so have completely dropped the caber and will re-test in a couple of weeks to see where the Tren gets my prolactin back up to & go from there.
However I was surprised to see that my test levels were 944 (ref range = 216-944) considering I'm using Test Prop @ 100mg ed & Tren A @ 50md ed. Arimidex is at 0.5 eod.
Would love your opinion if I should consider this under dosed and move on from this source or if somehow crashing my prolactin could've played a role in the just above reference levels of Test.
Cheers.
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Definitely under dosed prop, but GRRL is a great src, been here a long time and always backs up her products, so I am sure they will get you right. + for posting bloods
Sad sad sad
Why so sad, buddy?
Are you taking caber or anything.???
Your e2 reading may be completely false due to tren.
With no caber or prami and prolactin that low I'd bet your e2 is ALOT lower than that......it's probably crashed
++ for bloods mate hope you get sorted
Hey mate, as I said above I was taking Caber but since getting my levels back I've dropped it.
I'm currently taking Arimidex 0.5 eod, I'm normally pretty sensitive with estrogen and have to take a little more AI than most people but the reading is saying I'm very close to above the reference range.
You think I might be taking too much AI & then tren is giving a false reading? I purposefully chose the LCMI test so I would get an accurate Test reading seeing as Tren was included.
Cheers heaps for the ++
You get something figured put bro?
I think your definitely getting a false reading mate.
And just for the record brother I'm uk based I've never ordered from this source so can't comment on quality ect......
To have your estrogen and free test were they are but then have prolactin at 0.1 has my baffled mate.
Something ain't right I would of said you should have lower estrogen with that prolactin reading mate
The crashed prolactin reading is because of the caber dose I was taking no?
All I know is what I was taking everyday or eod & what I got tested & now have the test results.
I'm not here to flame anyone, I got the blood test because of my libido issues which I now know is because of too much caber & thus 0 prolactin.
The Testosterone reading was a complete surprise to me as I've never had or experienced under dosed gear before so it didn't even cross my mind.
It may be accurate on the estrogen. If he’s taking 350 tren a week and the test was picking up the tren it would say his estro was over 400.
250 tren for me gave me “estro” numbers of 300+ and at the time my actual estrogen was in the teens. So if he was getting those false readings I’d think it would be much higher, but I could be wrong.
He should know if he got the right test for tren though. We shouldn’t be guessing lol.
What my thinking was.......
If he's taking to much caber,can this also effect the test/estro results??
My understanding is and off my own bloods the two go hand in hand.
Keep estrogen in check to start with and caber is not needed.
I think his estrogen is way lower than this test says and that's the libido cause.
As for the his testosterone results I don't know bro
Lol.
Tbh mate I wasn't sure if the tren would affect it higher or lower. I just know I can and does if you don't get the correct test
Higher.
Tren is made with an estrogenic “backbone” so to speak. The drug itself looks like estrogen to the tests so you get these readings of estrogen in the 500+ range with no sides. Certain testing companies use more expensive testing that can differentiate between estrogen and tren but the cheap ones usually can’t.
Edit: it’s actually a good way to check if your tren is real. Get a 60$ test/estro test and if your estrogen is jacked through the roof you know your tren is legit.
Gotcha mate ......Thanks
I knew it effected test results but because I don't use tren I've never really dug deep into it.
Cheers brother
zorro2014What is the source telling you about this problem?
The source hasn't replied to my email, sending them a PM now. Will keep everyone updated for sure.
GRRL replied to you on the source discussion page. Probably best to take it to PM with her.
Gotta love labs
Uchibah458Damn right lol plus from what the OP says, it sounds as though the TrenAce is underdosed, if not bunk. He claims no aggression, no night sweats, no insomnia, no strength gains at 50mg every day.
+1 ty for bloods
Cheers mate, really appreciate it!
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Cheers mate, really appreciate it.
Uchibah458This was on Kodiak TestProp 100mg ED for 6 weeks???
100% Kodiak for both Tren A & Test Prop, but looks like my time with them has come to an end.
Uchibah458Understandable, but you should still contact them and see what the deal is. At the very least, let them know the issue and they might refund you back with more Test Prop. Chances are, you aren't the only one who got this bad batch so more might come forward. Who knows, but contact them regardless.
Great advice, just sent them an email & will reach out to them here as well. Cheers mate, really appreciate the time. Would you ditch the current Prop? Also considering I blast & cruise do I consider the last 6wks as accidentally cruising haha?
Uchibah458The Prop that gave you this test result, I would bin it or use it to cut high mg gear with, other than that it is useless and that is obvious with the blood results. Reach out to them here through PM or bring it to their SI page, ask if anyone else has had this issue with Kodiak Test P
https://www.eroids.com/discussions/source/kodiakqueen.lt
Great advice, have added a discussion question to their page, sent them a friend request to PM and sent an email. Really appreciate you taking the time to help!
+1 for posting bro
Cheers heaps mate, really appreciate it.
What would you do with the gear? Still got at least 3 vials of both Test Prop & Tren A from them.
Me personally I would touch base with grrl and let her know what's going on.. from what I know she's a solid source and im sure will work it out with you.. I've never used them so I can't say from experience but I know people on here that use her a lot and never had an issue.. just taelk to her bro.. the bloods speak for themselves
Cheers mate, will do, have sent an email, started a discussion thread & friend requested to send a PM so should have the problem sorted soon. Would you ditch the current vials? Not sure what to do in the meantime while I chase down a solution.
I'd ditch the test for sure if your trt. Switch to a different brand . if not I'd come off and pct and then start over bro.. that's just me..I wouldn't throw them out incase u need to send them back etc.. you'll get it sorted out bro.. good luck
Agreed!!!. Well said
Thanks
Uchibah458Did you feel as though the Tren was legit? I would ask for a refund with the TestP, at the very least a compensation of some sort, different products etc.
Yeah I get Tren cough with it some days, some days I dont. But the aggression etc hasn't been there. A lot of that I put down to dosing Caber at 0.5 twice a week which was clearly overkill for my prolactin control needs.
Uchibah458No aggression, night sweats, fat loss, or strength gains?
None of the above besides fat loss but I've been strictly Keto (hope thats not a curse word around here) & ramping up my cardio... glad I have kept as much muscle as I have considering
Uchibah458WOW no insomnia??? From the sound of what you are saying, it seems like the TrenAce is under dosed as well
Confession... I've been smoking some good indica kush before bed almost every night of these past 6wks so insomnia for me hasn't been a problem... but definitely no "im going to fuck these weights up something ridiculous" aggression or uncontrollable libido like I've had from Tren in the past!
I've been prescribed a strong Indica for pain relief, appetite stimulation, and helping sleep for a while now, and it did almost nothing to help with the massive night sweats and terrible insomnia that came with the Trenbolone Acetate I was taking. I tried Melatonin, Gravol, Diazepam (prescription) and other natural sleep aides, but nothing seemed to help beat the night-time side-effects Trenbolone gave me.
Trenbolone is much more expensive than Testosterone. From what you've said about the lack of side-effects, I'd say the Tren was under-dosed too.
Uchibah458I agree 100%
Oh snap, this is really good to know. Why do you think I still get the Tren Cough probably three times out of my seven injections each week? Could I still get that if it was underdosed? A little confused as to why it comes and goes, the previous time I used Tren I either had it every injection.
I honestly never got "Tren Cough" once during my time using it. I started at 30mgED Tren Ace and slowly worked up to 50-60mgED. Over the last decade of me researching AAS, I have seen tons of people talk about this problem. Some people seem to think "Tren Cough" confirms it's good Tren, but I think there are other reasons why people are getting the cough. My thoughts on the two most likely causes of "Tren Cough" are:
Here's some info on "Tren Cough":
https://www.whatsteroids.com/steroids/tren-cough-worry/
Your question:
Yes, I believe so. Tren isn't the only compound to cause coughing post-injection though. If you google Coughing after IM injection you'll find lots of people dealing with this problem post-pin and some of them are getting it after Testosterone injections.
It comes and goes most likely because some IM injections are better than others. Like sometimes I bleed lots post-injection and sometimes there's barely a drop of blood. All depends on what you hit entering your muscle.
Mate, great response and all really good stuff to know.
I feel you on the 'some IM injections are better than others'. Nothing quite like a smooth pin with zero bleeding but I probably only pull that off 50% of the time.
Really appreciate your help!
You'd expect to see levels like that on a TRT dose of test . I've seen tests higher than that on 150mg a week +1 for posting
Cheers mate, thats been my experience as well. Test Cyp at 200mg/wk from my Doc got me up to just underneath the top of the reference range. Unfortunately have since lost Health Insurance so had to go underground.
After 6 weeks of 700mg/week Test P, your levels should be much higher than 944.
Thanks for posting bloodwork +1
Cheers heaps for the +1 mate & thanks for commenting. The first time I've had something clearly under dosed, good to know I'm not going crazy.