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Mushrooms and hallucinogens and clusterheadaches

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So ive been suffering from a condition or disease whatever you want to call it called clusterheadahes for about 7 years now. Most of you have probably never heard of it ( except you pale i know you get migraines so you've probably heard the term) but doctor call it " the most painful conditon known the medical science". Its nickname is "suicide headaches" because something like 75% of people eventually kill themselves because of the pain, both physical and what it does to you emotionally. Its fucking horrible to say the least. It only effects about .01% of the worlds population. Typically they come in cycles at the same time every year. So youll for example ever november and june a cycle will start that can last anywhere from 2 weeks to many months, followed by a period of remission. These are known as episodic clusterheaches. About 10% of the .01% get chronic cluster (myself included), meaning there is no pain free periods of remission. There is not one single drug approved for treating this condition and there is a few that are prescribed off label that work well for about 50% of people if not less. But most of the time the body adapts to the drug and it stops working. Over the past 7 years they havent been able to find anything that works for me so i just suffer daily.

So that brings me to my next point and why this is relevant. They have discovered that mushrooms for whatever reason ( and other hallucinogenics) are able to knock these things into reemission for many many months, sometimes years after just a few doses much much smaller then the dose someone would take to trip. The few studies they've done have had success rates around 90%. There is currently no Rx drug that is able to do this. And all the drugs prescribed off label just prevent them if your one of the lucky ones who respond, the day you stop taking them the headaches return. Heres a good write up on them and some bits and pieces from the study as well as the MD who conducted it. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/05/longtime-sufferers-of-c...

And heres some other success stories. Theres tons more out there. Thousands and thousands of people use it successfully to stop their headaches. Clusterbuster is a good website and forum where the majority of members are using LSD mushrooms or LSA (drug found in morning glory seeds) and having great success.

This man suffered them for 25 years and after using mushrooms twice a year for the past 5 years hes been pretty much pain free. He estimates he tried about 75 prescription drugs over the years and nothing worked.
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/can-magic-mushrooms-help-headache-...

This man suffered dozens of attacks a day for 40 years. After his treatment with mushrooms he hasnt had one for 3 months. http://reset.me/personal-story/psilocybin-mushrooms-stopped-cluster-head...

http://www.newsweek.com/treating-cluster-headaches-psychedelic-drugs-81473

Lsd treatment http://newsciencejournalism.com/01/2013/suicide-headaches-how-the-failed...

So i somehow got lucky and came across someone who had some lsd the other day and tried it for myself. Couldn't get mushrooms but he success rates are similar with lsd working even better. Took a very small amount about a half a hit yesterday. Felt a minor buzz, I had no intentions of using it recreationally, i just want to live a normal life and not be in pain. I dont want to speak to soon but todays the first day in I dont even know how long that I didnt lay in pain with reoccurring headaches from 10am-2pm like i do everyday. So its a good sign. Gonna look into growing my own mushrooms or something in the future. Bottom line is mushrooms and hallucinogens have some amazing medical value and the laws a preventing people suffering from ever finding relief.

Steveking1980's picture

Hey iron-if yur serious abt cultivating pm me-I can point u in the direction for spores and any questions u may have-
I worked at a mushroom farm when I was younger-oyster and shatakii mushrooms and figured out how to get spores and inknockulate my own blocks-and had a large scale operation-even taking my own spore prints off of the finished product to keep producing-
Pm me if any questions-and wish u well

MedDx's picture

Alexander Shulgin's book called TIHKAL....is an interesting book that has brought many questions i have had to light about tryptamines. PIHKAL is good too. Its the pentane group in the molecular structure of the tryptamines and amides that i find remarkable, which has to contribute to the therapeutic response.

HailRazor's picture

RIP......a true pioneer

Nitti's picture

I know all too well the effects of cluster headaches. I've spent years battling debilitating headaches and migraines. I've had episodes so bad, I blacked out from the pain and crashed the front end loader I was driving. Completely incapacitating. All I could do is curl up and cry. Other times I get violent spells of vertigo. It's always preceded by cluster headaches days prior and lightheadedness. Took me a while to figure out preemptive tactics to combat and prevent this from happening. But the problem with this issue is no two cases are alike. With head injuries (like in my case) it's such an unpredictable injury they don't know what to make of it. They often fear diagnosing at all because they're wrong so often. But I strongly believe that there is truth in what you say. I mentioned before the stoned ape theory. I think we are missing a key element in our evolution and some of the medicinal plants our ancestors used to stay in touch with their inner self as well as each other. If you can't keep your mind right the body will break down. And vice versa. I'm reading these links now. Thanks for the post

Nitti's picture

I'll comment in depth shortly. But real quick, have you ever taken what Terrence Mckenna calls a "HEROIC" dose of psylicibin mushrooms? 5 dried grams? You will have a life altering experience and if you smoke dmt at the peak of the experience, you'll have a meeting with God! I promise!

Anonymous's picture

Implying visuals with god or you will die..
In australia mushroom season is a normal thing during winter..pickings at night end up to be adventures with other randoms popping out from no where in the forrest..its actually pretty excellent..but yeah 5grams aswell dmt hits at peak sounds way out there..that game plan would bring me fear into it id say

irongame427's picture

I smoked dmt years ago back when i was probably 16-17. Second scariest experience of my life i thought i was dying, ( first scariest was saliva, seriously lol legal saliva) Actually thinking back we snorted it and smoked it and snorting it was 10 times more intense. DMT is a very very powerful drug, I would never do it again. I cannot imagine taking 5 grams of shrooms and then smoking dmt. Just the thought scares me. Last time i took shrooms i took an 8th and had bad trip, 5 grams would put me on my ass. But im at the point in my life where i dont want to get fucked up anymore, i just want to be pain free and live a normal life. ill do anything to make it stop. Seriously, id give both my balls and not have kids to make it stop.

On another note today is day 3 after my experiment and the 3rd day with no headaches. I cant remember the last time ive had 3 pain free days in a row. It seems like the lsd might have actually worked. Taking 1/4th hit of acid every few months has gotta be a hell of alot healthier then the concotion of rx drugs the doctors have me on, some of them more then double the fda approved dose. The day i dont have to take meds will be one of the happiest days of my life.

Steveking1980's picture

X2!!

I agree! Scared to death! I remember having a outer body experience hovering above myself looking down at myself for hours levitating-(that's the key point) I could go on abt it but to Lon to type-

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I've seen the show about the mushroom experiment and severe headaches. Not sure about the effects of LSD with the same type of migraines though. Both are psychedelics, psilocybin is the active ingredient in organic mushrooms. Problem with todays LSD is that often times it's a different chemical all together (research chem). Going into a psychedelic experience with any type of "dark" vibes...is almost a gauranteed bad trip. Gotta be ready for it. I always thought of it as a tool used for whatever mind expanding experience you wanted to venture into. But, for the reasons you're looking for, I couldn't agree more about looking into an alternative remedy.

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LSD and psilocybin both have this amazing ability to send clusterheadaches into remission, so making them go away for many many months sometimes years. As of rigjt now there is no prescription drug that can do this. But LSD and shrooms are not the only ones, LSA is a drug found in morning glory seeds that also is able to do this. And I believe rigjt now they're studying a derivative of acid called 25-bromo LSD or something that's similar in structure but does not have the physcoactive properties that LSD does. One thing mushrooms have that LSD doesn't is the ability to abort an attack almost immediately. But most of us who suffer from this want them not to happen in the first place.

You're totally right about most of the LSD on the street is not actually LSD. Rigjt now a lot of it is actually a chemical called 25I-NBOMe. Very very cheap and most people can't tell the difference . I was worried that I might be sold someting like that or 2ci or some shit and it not work and be discouraged and think the LSD isn't working but in reality it's not really LSD, but so far so good so maybe I got the real deal.

But I definitely agree about using one of these drugs with any kind of bad vibes in your life is gonna make for a bad time. Not only bad vibes but secrets you're keeping from people like your girlfriend, problems work friends etc. everything kinda has to be perfect before you decide to use it. The one time I had a bad trip was during a time in my life with lot of that kinda shit going on. And all my good trips were when everything was perfect.

HailRazor's picture

Weird how "mind expanding" substance are illegal. The mind is a powerful machine. I once had a telepathic experience with a group of friends while on MDMA at a rave in Amsterdam. Smile With mushrooms, I had a symphony in my mind once. Definitely a number one hit somewhere in there.

Nitti's picture

If a person doesn't have sovereignty over his/her own consciousness, then he isn't really free at all.

HailRazor's picture

"You are free to do as we tell you. Go back to bed America, your Government is in control again" - Bill Hicks

HailRazor's picture

Dosing, for me anyway, seemed all over the board. If we made a tea, ate them straight from the field, or put a cap in a #2 sonic burger....the experience (intensity) was always different. A memorial experience was with a tea we brewed. I think I tripped myself sober....is that possible....maybe I was tripping I was sober...it was a shamanistic xperience that ended/started with a friend giving me a hit of CID at the end of the night/morning. It didn't bring back the same effects from the tea. But still fun. It seems psychedelics have a way of changing your "path" or view of the world just from one experience. I'll never "look at" things quite the same. MDMA had the same effect with me also. Decalcify the pineal.

Nitti's picture

Well when it comes to psychoactive plants, especially one that contain N-N-Dmt, they will not work when ingested. It's why the shayman of the Amazon are now making big money setting up ayahuasca clinics for Americans and Europeans. They figured out thousands of years ago that if they use a specific plant with the ayahuasca ,it allows dmt to be orally administered. The other plant acts as an maoi. So in theory, you could just pop an maoi and then swallow large doses of dmt for the same long ass trip as ayahuasca minus the purge.

HailRazor's picture

Why not just aquire 5-MeO-DMT. Or is the extracting process part of the ritual? Smile
I think there's a log of exactly what it takes for the "break through". By inhalation (smoking). Ayahuasca seems a bit too "organic" for my taste, vomit bucket,etc.

Pale's picture

I have got to start studying up on DMT.

Nitti's picture

Go on YouTube and look for the spirit molecule documentary. Then search joe Rogan dmt. Or Terrence McKenna explains dmt. Not many ppl have lived who can articulate themselves like mckenna