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I'm just curious as to everyone experiences with high doses of test. My first question is at what point did u feel that the negatives out wayed the positives. I hear a lot of talk of running multiple grams of test a week but at some point the side effects outweighs the benefits. This is a personal question as everyone is different just like to hear some experiences. Glad to be here
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In the past i have used a maximum of 6 grams pr week consisting of a mix of esters ranging from suspension/sustanon for the phenyl and prop/cypionate and Heptalyte for the longs...... these were the days before i conconted the mast/mest combo and i got some pretty evil gyno on my left nipple (left only strangely)...... hospital at that time just did not want to know me (national health) so we got our heads together in the gym (i was about 28 at the time) we sourced some of the first ever injectable letrozole and started to inject around the nipple every 3 days ... really really fkn painful let me tell you!..... after about 6wks of this treatment the gyno totally dissipated and i was the happiest fkr on the planet.
6Gs is the most i ever used........ but i still regularly run 2/3 at the moment i am using 2800mg which is on a downward taper before i slip into a total short run for comp prep.
THE best bulking testosterone run i have done was 4x100mg ED hits of TNE equating to 2800mg pr week ... with 1500mg of deca for a 20wk run .... i forget the actual weight gain but i was big n full very lean and vascular throughout the whole run........ very expensive but very productive.
Start adding Parabolan into these test stacks and we open up a whole new world of gain and condition that have to be viewed in person to fully appreciate the quality of the finish....... but we will get into that later has this section starts to hot up a little lol.
What i want to make clear fist and foremost is that i will discuss my own use in here but i will not design specific stacks for any of you either you think youre advanced or expert or whatever!... my stuff will HURT you bad if not properly focused and committed to running a stack by counting hours, not days like you are used too......... my stuff is designed around half-lives and binding affinities to pull the best from each compound.
So for all the "new eyes" in here please remember this statement...... BIG cycles DEMAND BIG concentration............ now you realise why i get so pissed off in the forums when i view the words "throw in" "chuck in"... "maybe add this" "might add that" etc,etc,etc, failure to plan is a plan to fail... and thats a fact regarding Aas and nutrition.
I see below people i have spoken with in PM are getting their heads around using premium gear (about fkn time lol)...... to be in a good place i would suggest the following........
1 Bayer pharma test products and orals like provi.
2 Balkan........... oils and orals are both very good.
3 Alpha pharma........ if you cannot get the above.
4 Geneza........... if you cannot get the above.
5 British dispensary orals...... if positive not fakes.
RustyhookerFor a while it was easy to get frustrated. Hitting 190 used to be easy on super low dosed pharm grade. Getting old takes a lot of extra modifications and double the time.
How's the end of your cycle goin seen u posted u hit 200. How much strength have u gained now been awhile since u gave me an update
RustyhookerSupersets and drops have been cake. No PR this time. Shirts all too tight in shoulders n arms. Mast e(new bottle) questionable so dropped it and went to var 75ed. After longs are done will add mast p. No ai was needed. Coulda lowered the mast e as i was too dry. Cant complain at all. Eat n grow fun
500test/1000eq/800 mast e/provi.
Take u love the eq and mast. Done them both loved them both but together is very intriguing.might have to try this combo soon that is if I can get the okay from the old lady lol. She bitched everyday bout how much food I ate on eq
RustyhookerGood eq is a fun ride. Mast or provi has been in every cycle last few years. Var drops the crazy hunger for me. Prop/mast/var was fun and simple. Tren was good but i screwed diet. Tried keto and it was huge mistake.
Psshhh 6grams is cute. But it doenst compare the the 750mgs of underdosed test i ran in the spring. Now thats a big boy cycle. Add some underdosed npp from fucking EA and you got yourself cycle. Love shutting myself down for a trt dose. Never again only numbers 1-3 on your list and i have enough Thai anabol and blue hearts to last a life time. I'm good now.
ive received more pharma fake then pharma real....
lol, good luck with that
lol, Im should have said 2-3 on the list. Balkan and alpha pharma. I think theyre pretty good quality, and i won't be getting fakes. But I know alot of people get fucked buying pharm grade but I have my suppliers on here that i trust. This has happened to you buying from reputable sources on here?
my first couple years on here I had made the push from UGL to pharma, after about 4 fake pharma in like 6 months I stopped using pharma and went back to UGL, ive got a box full of pharma that i havent used for well over a year. neo meds, SFU, roidsseek, off the top of my head!
probably just a bad run, but ill stick with the UGLs for now.
but I will say geneza I like a lot.
I do a ton of research before I place an order, so I think If I bought some id have a good shot of getting real gear. But Id rather just use Balkan or Alpha pharma. Im yet to see one bad review on AP, but its a little more pricy. And i know the balkan orals are legit, but on the web theres a lot of mixed feedback on the oils. Some say its the best, others say its crap. Its the same kinda thing Geneza. Some swear by it and others say its crap. And genezas prices are pretty damn good and they have a huge selection of stuff so if the gear is good its definitely a solid option.
But if I went to amps and grabbed some organon deca, or bayer primo or testivron depot theres a decent chance its fake? Naps is just such a huge source idk how thats possible. I mean shit is corrupt as hell over there you just get it straight from a distributor. I like 24hreup alot tho i have alot of faith in his gear. But for know assuming my balkan oils are legit I'm gonna stay with them. Once i get a real job maybe ill try buying pharm.
Geneza is solid. My ebc run will be on geneza gear. I've also loaded up on arl in my stash. Arl is really good too. There mast p is definately real. Test is strong.
A huge percentage of the pharma gear around these days is counterfeit. Problem is some of it is so good the sources wouldn't spot it visually. I work in drug manufacture and I bet I wouldn't spot half the counterfeits these days. There's a few that are obvious, but with a hell of a lot of it, it is very difficult to tell.
Smh I would of.called your cycle a big boy cycle if u would of added my favorite oral horny goat weed. Then u would of had a stack
I don't think I'm quite ready for that yet it's part of the 19-goat family and can be really harsh on the hpta. Soon though maybe 2 weeks on 2 weeks off on next cycle.
RustyhookerIt grew horns on my head which work well as handlebars so the lady don't slip off. It's worth those 19-goat sides bro. Plus, hat wont fly off in the wind.
The things we do to make our ole ladies happy lmao
Lol glad u are taking it slow
Wow now that's dropping some info. U love the mast test provi combo which I'm about to run(if I can ever find good mast). Now back to your info running up to six grams a week the only issue u had was gyno with your left nipple did u ever feel as if u needed to back off. Running something like your current stack do u need an ai everyday. I'm also curious when running advanced stacks like u are referring to do u get blood work every week or two? I'm sure most pros get blood work frequently
Regarding AI........ never use it bro i trust mast/provi combo.
Regarding bloodwork........... twice pr year and thats all i have ever done, you americans are hyped on blood tests wheras us Brits dont mind too much and learn to feel the way.
6 grams was stupidty on my part and i only went that high the one time.......... when we say more is not always better!.... well in my opinion two things are..... Test and protein, i never run other compounds in super high doses because there is no need but on a true allm out bulker high test is a must for me.
When i talk about pounding mega high protein for both bulks and cuts to keep super high metabolism .... to be true most folks srtuggle to hit lets say 2Gs of pro pr one lb body weight......... we have a secret weapon thats can really make packing the pro in far easier.... check this link for an idea of what im talkin bout here.......................
http://www.dr-zaks.com/
I must admit its hard for me to get two grams of protein down a day per pound. I'm sitting at 270. That's incredible bout the bread do they ship to the USA. Is there pasta good I might be doing a bulk order lol
Gonna get some of that shit!
God i fkn love this guy lol. I been spending so much god damn money when i have no job getting bloods every month or two and everything always looks great. Im gonna scale that back a little bit. My support supp are great and i dont use high doses.
And damn dude 30g of protein per 2 slices! How does it taste? Arnold (not the bodybuilder) used to make double protein bread but i can't find it anymore. Damn i want both the pasta and the bread. How much protein do you eat on a bulk? l Think i been short changing myself in the past only getting 300gs but some reasaerach says these recommendations (2g per lb) are overkill and others say you could even eat more. I think I'm gonna get get 400 for my next bulk.
tastes superb brother we just finished a meal a while ago and it really is light as a feather and cooks perfect in about 7mins flat............. bulking i aim for the 2.2 protocol or more if i can get down my neck..... cutting around 1.5 that allows me to hold all muscle mass while aiming for sub 5% BF level......... Dr zak is a Masters winner inthe UKBFF i know him pretty well, its been said 6 more new products are being launched so im pretty excited to see what wonders he produces this time.
T he stuff is expensive but well worth the coin........ the bread is similar to a whole wheat and is easy to eat and digest because its made with whey isolate and full spectrum BCAAs lol..... super foods for bodybuilders.
I would kill for a carb right now fuck keto. I would love some pancakes or something. You guys know anything that kind looks and tastes like carbs but isn't?
I cant wait till I can put this kind of stuff in my budget. this little venture i recently took on is gonna take some time and a ton of recycling money to build.
Its a bastard when the funds put a blocker on things bro i understand that but you will get there for sure... i have been following your post in the MOD forum and its clear to see that you definitely have the heart and the gumption to take on your ... time will tell and you will be rocking again :))
I have been following my competitors, watching what they do for advertising, then calling up the place they are using and getting quotes for the same ads they are running. one of them, just on what i have found is doing 80,000 and the other 66,000 a year. JUST ADVERTISING! to give you an idea of what I mean by recycling money! LOL
Just looked at my bread I got four grams of protein for two slices. I need stuff like this been 270 eating enough food is a problem
http://www.julianbakery.com/high-protein-bread/
Had to research we got some places like that in the USA . This bread has 32 grams of protein per two slices
Got you bro, USA version. http://www6.netrition.com/nutribreads_p28.html
Lol funny just seen u been looking to
BOOOOM............ now we cooking ...... this is the key guys, without the food intake all the gear in the world will do fuck all............ you know this but i just gotta keep preaching the food gospel lmao!
Damn Vike u keep schooling us. U are goin to have to start charging lol
All you will ever get from me bro is logical routes and reasons of how, what, and why we ALL must do the things we do to either get bigger or slice the fuck up when the time is right.......... all FREE cos im a nice guy really........... only turn into a bastard when i have to start throwing the hammer around. from what you guys will learn about me in here being in my element talking stacks and stuff............. you will soon learn my passion and how the slightest ignorance in the forums rubs me the wrong way.
I told you i had a lot to offer, we are just scratching the surface so far lol
Let me ask u bout mast. I've ran it one time and loved it only ran 500 a week of test and mast 400 a week. This will be my eighth cycle coming up. I want to run test mast and provi. At what doses have u found to most beneficial to u with mast. I've been told 600 is a better number. This is your go to for an ai won't be another person here that has more experience with this combo.
Apart from my low dose mast that i use as Ai ............ i only ever use mast when cutting bro, at that stage it would be @ 100mg ED (mast p)............ some of my guys run test /mast E stack and gain nice and lean with a hard primo type finish.... very good stack to be honest, well worth running imo.
Really have to do some reading up on this combo thanks. This will be my best results I'll ever have coming up. With the help iv received here and all this knowledge .what do u think of 750 a week of test e 600 mast e and 25 ta 50 mgs of provi a day.or should i keep my test lower. Ive been hitting the cardio and diet hard last couple months before I start this. I've had to back my leg days off some bc of the cardio it's hard for my legs to recover. Luckily my legs respond really well for been a tall guy
you dont have to do a ratio split with mast like we usually do with 19s bro............ keep it simple run both at same dosage and if looking more for cuts drop nthe test to 600......... so test/mast E 600/600....... 50mgs provi because you have flipped over 500 test and everything will be fine.
You probably noticed my absence on the IRISHMACK provi post?............. if he thinks i tick over on placebo effect he needs his fkn head reaming!...... lol
Lmfao that's so funny u said that. I've never used it before so can't comment on it. I've went thru that prolly five times just waiting for u to chime in lol. Just went threw it again like five mins ago and said where Vike at and thanks Vike can't wait to start just taking my time trying to find good mast e.
I'm a bread and pasta lover. Would really enhance my breakfast sandwiches and tuna sandwiches. And pasta on the side with whatever meat.
I here ya can't imagine having bread that high in protein. Tuna sandwich would be a perfect snack for me in between meals. I work all the time and most times I have no access to such snacks as this perfect I'm ordering some if they ship here hope it doesn't go stale
Expensive is an understatement for that cycle. If you were using Balkan that's like 4000 for just the tne! And this 6g cycle, I'm assuming it wasn't a test only run, what was your total dose like 10-12g ew?
No i that case it was test only bro........... unlike a lot of comp guys i very rarely use more than 5 compounds in a stack............ Test/nandro/DHT is the Trifecta imo
I have also seen several things going on with growth, a couple with some stuff that shouldnt be injected in humans. growth is not doing to well right now.
Kinda like mast bout afraid to get any seems all raws been tested is bad
Thats why i switched to PEPS bro......... effective and cheap as chips!...... i cannot source Genotropin pens for less than £180 each!........ thats insane when running like 10iu ED
And to think i fhought bodybuilding would be a nice cheap hobby. It was expensive before I even started using gear.
LOL... think twice bro............. a typical comp prep from start to finish, food, gear, tanning, stage dress, hotels, fuel, sundries approx 5K per show............ 2013/2014 suze did 8 comps more or less back to back and i did 2............. work the cost of that lot out lmfao!
The HOBBY must become a BUSINESS at this level.
Thats insane! I couldn't afford it. Im still at the point where I spend more on food then i do gear every month. I bet your gear costs are 5-10 times what you spend on food. What do you do for a living? Training and prepping?